Cycle advise.

**TJ Cline** · 06-03-2005, 03:16 PM

Its been 3 years since I did a cycle, I'm thinking of doing one again. I have only used tren once so I'm not sure if I'm adding it to this cycle correctly.

Week 1-8 Test E, 200mg 2x a week ( 400mg weekly total)

Week 1-7 deca, 200mg 2x a week ( 400mg weekly total)

Week 3-8 tren 76mg 3x a week ( 228 weekly total)

Nolvadex weeks 8-12 20,40,40,40,20

**Pirate!** · 06-03-2005, 03:32 PM

I don't know about doses for using tren and deca concurrently, but I have a few suggestions:

Lengthen the cycle two more weeks.
Use HCG on cycle.
Don't start your pct until about 10 days after your last shot of Test E.

Are you planning to use Tren Ace?

**redspy** · 06-03-2005, 03:37 PM

I agree with Pirate, expand the cycle by two more weeks at least to get the best gains from the test/deca. If you're using tren ace you'll need EOD injects, if it's tren enathate twice a week is fine.

Definitely get some HCG.

**LAM** · 06-03-2005, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

Definitely get some HCG.

ditto...using deca and/or tren you definetly need HCG on cycle

**TJ Cline** · 06-03-2005, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

ditto...using deca and/or tren you definetly need HCG on cycle

When and how often should I use HCG, in the past I would only use it after the cycle .

**brogers** · 06-03-2005, 05:12 PM

Deca+Tren, how about some Bromocriptine or Dostinex?

**redspy** · 06-03-2005, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

When and how often should I use HCG, in the past I would only use it after the cycle .

Opinions will vary on this, but as you're using two highly suppressive compounds (tren/deca) I'd start the HCG about 2 weeks into the cycle and use 500IU every 5 days until the end. Use a slin pin and do Sub-Q shots.

**LAM** · 06-03-2005, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

I'd start the HCG about 2 weeks into the cycle and use 500IU every 5 days until the end. Use a slin pin and do Sub-Q shots.

yup...every 4-5 days @ 500 iu's is a good dose

Originally Posted by brogers

Deca+Tren, how about some Bromocriptine or Dostinex?

definetly a good idea also with this stack

**TJ Cline** · 06-03-2005, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

Opinions will vary on this, but as you're using two highly suppressive compounds (tren/deca) I'd start the HCG about 2 weeks into the cycle and use 500IU every 5 days until the end. Use a slin pin and do Sub-Q shots.

I will skip on using the tren for now then, I don't want this cycle to get to complicated. Thanks for the advise Lam and rerspy!

**LAM** · 06-03-2005, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I will skip on using the tren for now then, I don't want this cycle to get to complicated. Thanks for the advise Lam and rerspy!

no problem...if you can get some I would try NPP over nandrolone decanoate

**ZECH** · 06-03-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

Deca+Tren, how about some Bromocriptine or Dostinex?

Good post. If you were using Tren and Deca at the same time, both irritate progesterone related gyno. Dostinex works good. Here is a thread I posted.
http://www.conversionboard.com/forum...ead.php?t=2216

**Pirate!** · 06-03-2005, 09:59 PM

I'm using dostinex with my deca cycle. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

**Tha Don** · 06-04-2005, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

no problem...if you can get some I would try NPP over nandrolone decanoate

from what i've heard you can inject NPP E3D, is this ok? or would one be better off with deca?

**Pirate!** · 06-04-2005, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by young d

from what i've heard you can inject NPP E3D, is this ok? or would one be better off with deca?

The half life is 4.5 days. EOD is better than E3D for even blood levels.

**Tha Don** · 06-04-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

The half life is 4.5 days. EOD is better than E3D for even blood levels.

but could you get away with e3d shots? (i really don't think i could hack eod) i'd like to run nandrolone on my 2nd cycle but i'm not sure whether to go with DD or PP, i will probably be running enan again, so if i was to run NPP would i start it slightly later on? like start it week 3/5 to let the test get into my system first?

on a side note.. how long till i should start to feel the test kicking in? (i'm on day 18 now)

**Pirate!** · 06-04-2005, 01:12 PM

You could get by with E3D, though not ideal.

**redspy** · 06-04-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by young d

but could you get away with e3d shots? (i really don't think i could hack eod) i'd like to run nandrolone on my 2nd cycle but i'm not sure whether to go with DD or PP, i will probably be running enan again, so if i was to run NPP would i start it slightly later on? like start it week 3/5 to let the test get into my system first?

on a side note.. how long till i should start to feel the test kicking in? (i'm on day 18 now)

EOD shots of NPP is highly recommended due to it's short ester. It will kick in within a few days so waiting for your test levels to peak is a good idea IMO.

**Mudge** · 06-05-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by young d

but could you get away with e3d shots?

Why would you bother? You'd be pumping 2-3cc E3D to get any kind of effect, leaving little room for any other injectables.

That 4.5 day is ACTIVE half life, not true half life. So about the time 3 days rolls around you are maybe 40% hormonal level or so, but I'm not going to do the math - you do it

If and when I ever touch short esters like prop, its ED or EOD.

**Tha Don** · 06-05-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mudge

Why would you bother? You'd be pumping 2-3cc E3D to get any kind of effect, leaving little room for any other injectables.

That 4.5 day is ACTIVE half life, not true half life. So about the time 3 days rolls around you are maybe 40% hormonal level or so, but I'm not going to do the math - you do it

If and when I ever touch short esters like prop, its ED or EOD.

yeah i understand now, i think i will stick to the deca ester if i decide to run nandrolone, i just can't see myself jabbing EOD, maybe a few years down the line but not right now

**TJ Cline** · 09-27-2005, 05:43 AM

Started 8/23
1-8 400mg test cyp#E mix.....droped down to 300mg a week in week3....(gyno problems).
1-7 Deca 600mg a week
running 20mg nol entire cycle.
started HCG 9/25....500iu WEEKLY

**TJ Cline** · 11-08-2005, 01:12 PM

Ok my cycle ended about 3 weeks ago, so its time to start fantasizing about the next one...

When I'm not posting helpful and nonjudgmental advise on IM, I am trying to write up some cycle ideas....here is what I was thinking of doing two months from now..

1-8: Test Cypo 500mg
1-8: EQ 500mg
9 and 10: test prop 150mg eod
4-9: Tren 1cc eod
1-11: 10mg Nol
12: 60mg Nol
13: 40mg Nol
14: 40mg nol
15: 20mg nol
+ some Arimidex if needed

any critiques will be appreciated..

**Tough Old Man** · 11-08-2005, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Ok my cycle ended about 3 weeks ago, so its time to start fantasizing about the next one...

When I'm not posting helpful and nonjudgmental advise on IM, I am trying to write up some cycle ideas....here is what I was thinking of doing two months from now..

1-8: Test Cypo 500mg....Good
1-8: EQ 500mg......600 min on EQ
9 and 10: test prop 150mg eod...Good
4-9: Tren 1cc eod.....Run Weeks 5-10
1-11: 10mg Nol.....Good
12: 60mg Nol.....Good
13: 40mg Nol.....Good
14: 40mg nol......Good
15: 20mg nol......Good
+ some Arimidex if needed...Don't believe you'll need it. your not going to hold water with the EQ, Prop and Tren A

any critiques will be appreciated..

Get um Tiger

**gococksDJS** · 11-08-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Ok my cycle ended about 3 weeks ago, so its time to start fantasizing about the next one...

When I'm not posting helpful and nonjudgmental advise on IM, I am trying to write up some cycle ideas....here is what I was thinking of doing two months from now..

1-8: Test Cypo 500mg
1-8: EQ 500mg
9 and 10: test prop 150mg eod
4-9: Tren 1cc eod
1-11: 10mg Nol
12: 60mg Nol
13: 40mg Nol
14: 40mg nol
15: 20mg nol
+ some Arimidex if needed

any critiques will be appreciated..

Personally I feel the EQ should be much higher, at least 600mg/week. I ran 600mg/week for 11 weeks and when I run it next, it will be around 800-1000.

**soxmuscle** · 11-08-2005, 03:09 PM

how was your cycle foreman? any pictures?

**Tough Old Man** · 11-08-2005, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Personally I feel the EQ should be much higher, at least 600mg/week. I ran 600mg/week for 11 weeks and when I run it next, it will be around 800-1000.

Exactly that's why i highlited it in bold and said 600 min on the EQ

**gococksDJS** · 11-08-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Exactly that's why i highlited it in bold and said 600 min on the EQ

ah, I missed that part. TOM beat me to it.

**TJ Cline** · 11-08-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

how was your cycle foreman? any pictures?

I still have a long way to go but I will take some pics Nov 20th and post them.........probably none of my ABBS though

**TJ Cline** · 11-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Personally I feel the EQ should be much higher, at least 600mg/week. I ran 600mg/week for 11 weeks and when I run it next, it will be around 800-1000.

I was just trying to be cheep with the EQ.....I only need to buy 1 if I run 500mg......so if I run 600-750mg per week I need 2 bottles.......cycles on a budget

So I'll get 2 bottles I will run 700mg a week of EQ.

Thanks Tough and gococksDJS

**Stu** · 11-08-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Ok my cycle ended about 3 weeks ago, so its time to start fantasizing about the next one...

When I'm not posting helpful and nonjudgmental advise on IM, I am trying to write up some cycle ideas....here is what I was thinking of doing two months from now..

1-8: Test Cypo 500mg
1-8: EQ 500mg
9 and 10: test prop 150mg eod
4-9: Tren 1cc eod
1-11: 10mg Nol
12: 60mg Nol
13: 40mg Nol
14: 40mg nol
15: 20mg nol
+ some Arimidex if needed

any critiques will be appreciated..

you could maybe kick start with 2 weeks of prop as well

**Tough Old Man** · 11-08-2005, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stu

you could maybe kick start with 2 weeks of prop as well

Now that's a great idea.
On the EQ you could do 2cc on Mon and 1.5cc on Thurs. 700mg my friend

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