Tha Don

okay i've just woke up for my mid-night shake/oats/nuts, and i noticed my left nipple was rock hard! i've notice this happens to both nipples now and again on cycle, they get super erect, but this time i touched it and it felt a little sore (we ain't talking sore sore, but i can feel something when i rub it), i've given it a good feel and it dosen't feel any different from how it normally dose (a little lumpy, but i've not noticed any new hard lumps growing behind it) and the soreness is very mild, could it just be nothing? or might i have gyno starting up?

what should i do? hammer the nolva/letro now? or should i just keep a close eye on my nipples and check them several times a day... then if things get any worse i'll think about throwing the nolva in?

i'd like to think it is all just in my head, i mean i'm only on my 4th week, is it likely that i could get gyno this early on? i'm really hoping i will wake up again in a few hours and it'll be nothing, it could just be the test making its presence, when i woke up today i had the biggest morning wood i've had for a long time, and i just couldn't get it down, so maybe its doing the same to my nipples

TJ Cline

Arimidex (and maybe nolvadex)......or get surgery 2 months from now

Pirate!

It is gyno, and you know it. Fourth week is prime time for it to start: Test E is reaching peak levels and you still take d-bol. You need to take large doses of nolva until the symptoms completely go away. Personally, I take 120 mg tamoxifen citrate or about 90 mg tamoxifen/day when I have a gyno flare. Go easy on the letro; it won't stop the gyno, but can help prevent more gyno in the future. Try .25 mg ED with the letro and high doses of nolva for a week. It should improve by then. Then, continue a daily nolva dose of 20 mg or so and raise the nolva if it comes back. As I recommended before, I think you should lower your d-bol dose or stop it altogether at this point. Don't overkill on the letro. 0.25 mg ED is enough for your cycle. JMHO.

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Cardinal

Yep, take care of it immediately. Nolva + Liquidex or Letro would be my choice.

Tha Don

bro, i'm waiting on some legit nolva, i still only have the jupiter stuff (which only contains around 12g of tamox), so i was thinking of about 7 tabs? which would be 84mg, then then maybe drop it to 5 tabs (60mg) for a few days till symptoms subside, then 1-2 tabs a day after that

you sure it couldn't just be an ingrowing hair (from shaving my chest for work) or anything? dose it have to be gyno right now? things are really starting to pick up! this is the last thing i wanted to happen

Tha Don

on 2nd thoughts i can feel in that area around my actual nipple to the right of it seems a bit tough, and that is the part that is sore i agree, i think i do have gyno bro!

Stu

well if you do have gyno, which im still not sure you do (i've had the same thing a few times with M1T) at least you've caught it very early on.

Have the nolva now and in a couple of days it'll probably be gone.

Tha Don

what did you do stu? take the nolva and the symptoms went in a couple of days?

yeah i know i don't have full blown gyno yet, but i think the symptoms could be there, and its best to get it early, i really don't think surgery is happening!

just eating my breakfast right now i'll probably take the nolva now with my other 50 pills, tabs and caps

Stu

i didnt get any lumps or anything they just went pretty puffy and then started to get a bit sore.

i took 4 20mg tamoxifen tabs for 2 days and it just went, then kept taking 20mg till pct

Stu

your eating breakfast now??? you've missed half the day mate lol

Tha Don

haha yeah i know, had work last night, didn't get to sleep till about 4, woke up about 10:30 for my midnight shake, then back to bed at about 11 till 3, yesterday was the same but without the 2nd part of my sleep, hence i had a bit of catching up to do last night (or should i say this morning)

Tha Don

okay i just took 7 x 20mg tamoxifen tablets = 140mg tamoxifen
and 0.5 x 2.5mg letroz tablet = 1.25mg letrozole

indian meds

musclepump

You're lucky you caught it now bro. You can still get rid of it; at least you're not one of those guys who catches it too late and has it forever.

Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

redspy

Don't go too overboard on the Nolva, 60mg of taxoxifen should be fine. Personally I wouldn't bother with the letro, it's not going to help the gyno and reduces the effectiveness of Nolva. In a few days it should clear up. Raloxifene (a second generation SERM) will also help if you can get hold of it.

Tha Don

now you tell me! well its too late, i knew adex reduces the effectivness of nolva but i heard that nolva and letro worked well together, hence why i chose letro instead of adex, i'll just run the nolva from now on

redspy

Yeah, I came across this printed study involving femara/nolva and it concluded that the combination reduced the effectiveness of nolva by around 20%. I'll have to dig around on Pubmed and see if I can find it.

Pirate!

Always have a plan. Nolva stops gyno. Letro may help prevent it.

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.