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guys, i've been doing some thinking and i'd like to know how this revised cycle looks, its just something i'm considering and i could do with some opinions...
weeks 1-14: Test Enan 500mg/wk
weeks 1-6: Dbol 30mg/ed
weeks 10-15: T3 25/50/75/50/25 (mcg/ed)
weeks 14-16: Methasteron 20-30mg/ed
weeks 14.5-16: Hcg 4500iu, 500iu/eod
weeks 17-22: Nolva 60/40/40/20/20 (mg/ed)
weeks 1-10 is mass/bulk, weeks 11-14 is cutting, weeks 15-16 is recomp and then maintenance throughout pct
any ideas?
IMO, 16 weeks is toolong for a first cycle. I would keep it simple and just stop at week 10. depending on your bf% switching to cutting at the end isn't going to be very productive. it takes a good week for the body to adjust to a new diet and for the metabolism to shift. that leaves you with 3 weeks to cut some fat and w/o a heavy androgen you really can't drop the cals too low or you will lose some LBM
thanks LAMQuote:
Originally Posted by LAM
well i was planning on running the test for 12 weeks now, so it would only mean a futher 2 weeks
if i did decide to go for this (i probably won't now, but if i did) what androgen would you recommend me adding in? and dose that t3 dose look okay? or would i be better of with clen/keto considering i'm only going to be cutting for 3-4 weeks?
Hey "D" I use the HCG @ 500iu's every 4-5 days not eod. Need LAM to advise on the HCG
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Originally Posted by young d
i was just planning on using the hcg over the last 2-3 weeks of my cycle to bring my nuts back to size so they are good to go come pct, rather than running it over the whole cycle, but if atrophy becomes a concern i could run an amp or 2 earlier on in my cycle i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Tough Old Man
when should i plan my last shot of hcg? i think my last shot should be before my last shot of test right? in which case i mean to put hcg weeks "12.5-14"
First off, im glad that you decided not to use hcg throughout your cycle.I know some people say ya can, but i wouldnt risk desensitizing my testicles to LH.
Anyway, i wouldnt go longer than 12 weeks, and id use clomid and nolva for pct, but nolva alone is fine too. For guys like you and me who already have really fast metabolisms, i think T3 is not necessary or wouldnt be of great benefit. Clen might be a better choice.
from what i've read from SWALE, no later than 5 days before PCT begins.Quote:
Originally Posted by young d
i ran 500iu EOD for 8 shots the same way you are looking to do and i definately noticed the boys returning to normal size... good luck D.
thats good news chief, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by 19-chief
any more comments on the cycle? not sure if i will bother adding in the t3, might just up the cardio towards the end instead, i lose weight pretty fast, if i wanted to add in an androgen towards the end what is recommended? tren? masteron? halo? just a bit concerned about the sides of the heavy androgens, thats all
small doses of HCG do not desenstize the leydig cells, there is plenty of medical study to back that upQuote:
Originally Posted by celt
hey LAM, what do you reckon i should do? go with this new plan and do a few weeks cutting at the end (3-4 weeks is all i need), or should i just continue to bulk, end at week 12, run pct, then try and trim down afterwards? i'm just worried that i will lose more LBM if i do it that way, seems like a better idea to cut whilst still on the test don't you think? i'm not too worried about staying on an extra week, i'm sure i'll have no problems recovering at my age, i'm 5 weeks in and no shrinkage whatsoever yet
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Originally Posted by LAM
How low should the dose be LAM?
My advise: Stick to the orginal plan. Don't cut at the end. Don't extend your cycle. Don't add androgens. And DO NOT use clen on your cycle.
:hmmm: why you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
what is better... cutting at the end of a cycle? or cutting after pct? or cutting pct short so i can jump back on and start cutting?
i need to keep my BF% low at all times, need the ripped abdominals don't i :shrug:
D, you love the juice too much man :)
Be safe. Quit at week 12 :thumb:
haha, its true, i'm hooked :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by musclepump
but how is stopping the cycle 2 weeks earlier going to be any safer? i mean i can't see there been any real difference in recovering from a 14 week cycle as opposed to a 12 weeker, its not like i'm changing the doses or adding in anything too extreme, i'm 21 and this is my first cycle, i'm also going to be running hcg, i can't see myself having any problems, i'm not getting any side effects (apart from huge muscles :D) and i'm not shutdown at all yet!
Because you're 21 and because it's your first cycle I think is a good reason to keep this one calm. You're already running much more than most would advise for a first cycle.
you can easily run 250-500 iu's every couple of days for months. problems occur when people shot 3-5,000 iu's at one popQuote:
Originally Posted by celt