Interesting poll I thought might be helpful for me and other NEWBs

JACKED · 06-28-2005, 01:44 PM

I was having an interesting dialog this morning @ the gym with some meatheads about Newbie cycles. Of course I got 'em arguing but what I got out of it mostly was this question which I thought would be great for Newb's like myself as I'm Reading So much Literature all I could think about is Juice!!! I wanna take it to the vets and get an accurate poll.

Which would you start with or recommend starting a newbie on:

A) Front load with Test E or Cyp

B) D-bol/ Test E or Cyp

C) Test Prop (of course not 10 weeks)/ Test E or Cyp

D) Drol/ Test E or Cyp

TJ Cline · 06-28-2005, 02:55 PM

None of the above.

JACKED · 06-28-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

None of the above.

So you're on the Test Only side? Why if I may ask?

TJ Cline · 06-28-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JACKED

So you're on the Test Only side? Why if I may ask?

I would never recommend Test and Dbol or Anadrol to someone for their first or second cycle. I would recommend a moderate dose Test and Deca cycle and only for 8 weeks. I know everyone here is in love with the 10 week+ cycle for a first time user but I disagree.

JACKED · 06-28-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I would never recommend Test and Dbol or Anadrol to someone for their first or second cycle. I would recommend a moderate dose Test and Deca cycle and only for 8 weeks. I know everyone here is in love with the 10 week+ cycle for a first time user but I disagree.

Wow first time I heard that (although I'm a newb). Why Test/deca and Why only 8 weeks? What do you consider a "moderate" dose?

JUST ASKING<

TJ Cline · 06-28-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JACKED

Wow first time I heard that (although I'm a newb). Why Test/deca and Why only 8 weeks? What do you consider a "moderate" dose?

JUST ASKING<

Read Mudges post "tendon health" and that will answer the Deca question.
As far as time on cycle it is just from experience, I made great gains from 6-8 week cycles and my body recovered much faster than it did from 10+ week cycles.

JACKED · 06-28-2005, 03:37 PM

Damn that was a great read. I was going to ask you why not EQ instead of Deca?

TJ Cline · 06-28-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JACKED

Damn that was a great read. I was going to ask you why not EQ instead of Deca?

EQ or Deca is fine, I just used Deca more than EQ because it was easier for me to get it in 200-300mg per cc doses.

JACKED · 06-28-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

EQ or Deca is fine, I just used Deca more than EQ because it was easier for me to get it in 200-300mg per cc doses.

Thanks for your help. Great info.

Witmaster · 06-28-2005, 05:41 PM

Damn Foreman, I'm impressed. That was about the most civil response I've seen you display yet! There may just be hope for you after all

funkdocta · 06-29-2005, 02:22 AM

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

JACKED · 06-29-2005, 07:44 AM

Why Sus Funk?? I keep hearing mixed reviews on Sus because of the unstable blood levels.

**Pirate!** · 06-30-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

Bad call, IMO.

400 mg Test E or C (10 weeks)
200 mg Deca (8 weeks)
20 mg/day D-bol (weeks 1-4)
HCG, nolva, T3....

Just one practical example for someone concerned about avoiding injury and gettting significant mass gains...

19-chief · 06-30-2005, 01:42 PM

just run 400-500 test enan or cyp for 10 weeks... if you're concerned for your joints, use 200-300mg for 8-9 weeks. stick yourself with half that dose e3.5d.

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

do you not read these threads? sustanon is 4 different esters... a terrible choice for anyone, let alone a newbie. it's all about steady blood levels, my friend.

TJ Cline · 06-30-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

Shit they blast me for recommending 6-8 week cycles, they must think you are insane.

ag-guys · 06-30-2005, 01:47 PM

IMO, newbies ideal run: test+primo+winny+anavar

AG
www.ag-guys.com

19-chief · 06-30-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Shit they blast me for recommending 6-8 week cycles, they must think you are insane.

i just don't see the point of doing a enanthate/cypionate and a decanoate for 5-6 weeks... prop and phenylprop perhaps b/c you can get in and get out fast. i think short cycles are great too foreman. i just they should be run with short esters.

19-chief · 06-30-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ag-guys

IMO, newbies ideal run: test+primo+winny+anavar

AG
www.ag-guys.com

if you're buying perhaps.

TJ Cline · 06-30-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

i just don't see the point of doing a enanthate/cypionate and a decanoate for 5-6 weeks... prop and phenylprop perhaps b/c you can get in and get out fast. i think short cycles are great too foreman. i just they should be run with short esters.

I put on 20 lbs from a cycle of test C 200mg 2x a week for 6 weeks, plus lost some body fat . I have done 2 week cycles all the way up to 12 week cycles and not once did anything work better than 8 weeks. I think its better to start small, you can get crazy later on.

JACKED · 06-30-2005, 06:28 PM

Damn, So whats the verdict here??

What I gather is Test E or C, D-bol

If concerned about joints add a Primo, Deca, Eq

Agreed?

**Pirate!** · 06-30-2005, 07:05 PM

If I could go back and do a first cycle it would be this:

Six weeks of:
150 mg Test Prop EOD
100 mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (short ester deca) EOD
HCG 300 iu E3D
Nolva 20 mg/day

Take 3 days off, then pct with nolva.

You won't get a verdict. I think short esters are great for first cycles, because you can change things up quickly if you need to, but most people don't want to do EOD shots at first.

TJ Cline · 07-01-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

If I could go back and do a first cycle it would be this:

Six weeks of:
150 mg Test Prop EOD
100 mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (short ester deca) EOD
HCG 300 iu E3D
Nolva 20 mg/day

Take 3 days off, then pct with nolva.

You won't get a verdict. I think short esters are great for first cycles, because you can change things up quickly if you need to, but most people don't want to do EOD shots at first.

Looks good to me.

19-chief · 07-01-2005, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

If I could go back and do a first cycle it would be this:

Six weeks of:
150 mg Test Prop EOD
100 mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (short ester deca) EOD
HCG 300 iu E3D
Nolva 20 mg/day

Take 3 days off, then pct with nolva.

You won't get a verdict. I think short esters are great for first cycles, because you can change things up quickly if you need to, but most people don't want to do EOD shots at first.

i think that's a great cycle too... but i doubt any newbie would have the gahones to poke themselves EOD.

JACKED · 07-01-2005, 08:30 AM

Wow looking @ that makes plenty of sense. Would any of you not recommend mixing short and long esters i.e. 1 short 1 long? E.g. Test E , Nandrolone phenyl? Or T-prop, and Deca (nandro decanoate)?
What if one couldn't get his hands on HCG? (@ least at a cheap price LOL)

Would any of you still go with a cycle as above and just use your usual suspects like clomid, nolva, or Arim?

I actually have the luxury of having a medical professional in my household and won't be Poking myself, sense this would be the case would any of you recommend "going all out" on the injections still?

19-chief · 07-01-2005, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKED

Wow looking @ that makes plenty of sense. Would any of you not recommend mixing short and long esters i.e. 1 short 1 long? E.g. Test E , Nandrolone phenyl? Or T-prop, and Deca (nandro decanoate)?
What if one couldn't get his hands on HCG? (@ least at a cheap price LOL)

Would any of you still go with a cycle as above and just use your usual suspects like clomid, nolva, or Arim?

I actually have the luxury of having a medical professional in my household and won't be Poking myself, sense this would be the case would any of you recommend "going all out" on the injections still?

save the complexities for a future cycle and just do an 8-10 week cycle of long estered test... that shouldn't be too suppressive to your HPTA. with just that compound, odds are you won't need HCG. if you are going to throw in a nandrolone, be safe and get some and run it with the cycle or as it comes to a close but before PCT. there are differing opinions/protocols for HCG, so do your research.

**Pirate!** · 07-01-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

i think that's a great cycle too... but i doubt any newbie would have the gahones to poke themselves EOD.

I did E3D shots on my first cycle and looked forward to everyone of them--wanted to do them early. For those who don't like the shots, short esters are not the way to go.

19-chief · 07-01-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I did E3D shots on my first cycle and looked forward to everyone of them--wanted to do them early. For those who don't like the shots, short esters are not the way to go.

i did e4d my first time and i was the same way. gonna do one more long ester cycle then on to the t-prop/d-prop or t-prop/tren-ace.

View Poll Results: Which would you have started with or Suggest to a Newb
Frontload Test E or Cyp	2	11.11%
D-bol/ Test E or Cyp	7	38.89%
Test Prop (of course not 10 weeks)/ Test E or cyp	8	44.44%
Drol/ Test E or Cyp	1	5.56%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

06-28-2005, 01:44 PM	#1
JACKED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 202 Photos: 11	Interesting poll I thought might be helpful for me and other NEWBs I was having an interesting dialog this morning @ the gym with some meatheads about Newbie cycles. Of course I got 'em arguing but what I got out of it mostly was this question which I thought would be great for Newb's like myself as I'm Reading So much Literature all I could think about is Juice!!! I wanna take it to the vets and get an accurate poll. Which would you start with or recommend starting a newbie on: A) Front load with Test E or Cyp B) D-bol/ Test E or Cyp C) Test Prop (of course not 10 weeks)/ Test E or Cyp D) Drol/ Test E or Cyp

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06-28-2005, 05:41 PM	#10
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06-30-2005, 01:47 PM	#16
ag-guys Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 403	IMO, newbies ideal run: test+primo+winny+anavar AG www.ag-guys.com
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06-28-2005, 03:37 PM	#7
JACKED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 202 Photos: 11	Damn that was a great read. I was going to ask you why not EQ instead of Deca?

06-29-2005, 02:22 AM	#11
funkdocta Kaobon Liverpool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Liverpool UK Posts: 89 Photos: 2	for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

06-29-2005, 07:44 AM	#12
JACKED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 202 Photos: 11	Why Sus Funk?? I keep hearing mixed reviews on Sus because of the unstable blood levels.

06-30-2005, 06:28 PM	#20
JACKED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 202 Photos: 11	Damn, So whats the verdict here?? What I gather is Test E or C, D-bol If concerned about joints add a Primo, Deca, Eq Agreed?

07-01-2005, 08:30 AM	#24
JACKED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 202 Photos: 11	Wow looking @ that makes plenty of sense. Would any of you not recommend mixing short and long esters i.e. 1 short 1 long? E.g. Test E , Nandrolone phenyl? Or T-prop, and Deca (nandro decanoate)? What if one couldn't get his hands on HCG? (@ least at a cheap price LOL) Would any of you still go with a cycle as above and just use your usual suspects like clomid, nolva, or Arim? I actually have the luxury of having a medical professional in my household and won't be Poking myself, sense this would be the case would any of you recommend "going all out" on the injections still?