UG labs, what's your choice?

SJ69 · 07-11-2005, 01:02 PM

Thinking about my next cycle, and I think I'm going to switch from Qv products to an UG lab. Any thoughts or comments on
1. Morningstar labs (i'm leaning this way)
2. Gold Star
3. Red star
4. Southern Pharm.
5. Gaul
6. Berkley Meyer
This is not a sourse posting, just asking about specific brands,
mods, delete if this is a problem.
Thanx guys

LAM · 07-11-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SJ69

Thinking about my next cycle, and I think I'm going to switch from Qv products to an UG lab. Any thoughts or comments on
1. Morningstar labs (i'm leaning this way)
2. Gold Star
3. Red star
4. Southern Pharm.
5. Gaul
6. Berkley Meyer
This is not a sourse posting, just asking about specific brands,
mods, delete if this is a problem.
Thanx guys

SL is the only one on that list that I have used. I use a lot of stuff from Hellfire

**dg806** · 07-11-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

SL is the only one on that list that I have used. I use a lot of stuff from Hellfire

SL?? Where did you see SL on that list? Southern Pharm is different than Southern Labs.

**dg806** · 07-11-2005, 06:30 PM

I know Southern Pharm is a source on another board. Supposedly a great guy and great gear, but an open source like that scares me!

LAM · 07-11-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dg806

SL?? Where did you see SL on that list? Southern Pharm is different than Southern Labs.

well since it's an open souce it's good to know that it's not SL.

JerseyDevil · 07-11-2005, 07:44 PM

When I was partaking, Southern LABS was the real deal. Can't comment on the others.

TrojanMan60563 · 07-11-2005, 08:03 PM

I've only used SL and found nothing wrong with it....since I have nothing to compare it to its probably not fair I give an opinion....but I can say that I would only buy their gear until given reason not to.

**dg806** · 07-11-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

well since it's an open souce it's good to know that it's not SL.

I agree. It's ONLY sl for me.

musclepump · 07-12-2005, 02:51 PM

You don't partake in gear anymore, Jersey?

SJ69 · 07-13-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

I know Southern Pharm is a source on another board. Supposedly a great guy and great gear, but an open source like that scares me!

What's so scary about an open source? Is it quality or legal issues you would worry about? Some of these guys get great posts about them from multiple screen names and mods, but I guess it could all be a scam?? I know their mex guy is good too go.

maybe I should talk to someone about SL?

**dg806** · 07-13-2005, 10:20 AM

When you post openly on boards, anyone can see you, including the feds that want to bust you. You could end up right in the middle of a bust. Anyone that has been around for a while will tell you if you don't want to end up in legal trouble, stay away for open sources. I'm sure their gear is good. Usually a little higher priced also. Not worth the risk to me.

SJ69 · 07-13-2005, 10:58 AM

thanx for the input!

JerseyDevil · 07-13-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

You don't partake in gear anymore, Jersey?

Nope. Not counting some PH cycles, I did 3 gear cycles. A nice ride I must admit

. But too many negative factors for ME. I will always support the people who want to use it, and will ALWAYS support moves to de-criminalize steroids.

One thing I will say is concerning side effects. I think most people don't truly monitor liver profile, cholesterol and blood counts. That said, I think the most serious problem is psychological addiction. Lam said it best in a post awhile back. Once used to doing cycles, training without juice is "zero fun".

I have always loved to workout. Maybe too focused on it, leaving other important things in my personal life to slide. But I have been off cycle since last December, and I really have trouble with motivation. I'm positive this wouldn't have been a problem if I had stayed natural. Ever notice how most people that juice, talk WAY more about cycles, rather then actually working out??? Not good IMO.

**dg806** · 07-13-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Nope. Not counting some PH cycles, I did 3 gear cycles. A nice ride I must admit

. But too many negative factors for ME. I will always support the people who want to use it, and will ALWAYS support moves to de-criminalize steroids.

One thing I will say is concerning side effects. I think most people don't truly monitor liver profile, cholesterol and blood counts. That said, I think the most serious problem is psychological addiction. Lam said it best in a post awhile back. Once used to doing cycles, training without juice is "zero fun".

I have always loved to workout. Maybe too focused on it, leaving other important things in my personal life to slide. But I have been off cycle since last December, and I really have trouble with motivation. I'm positive this wouldn't have been a problem if I had stayed natural. Ever notice how most people that juice, talk WAY more about cycles, rather then actually working out??? Not good IMO.

Words of Wisdom

LAM · 07-13-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Ever notice how most people that juice, talk WAY more about cycles, rather then actually working out???

JerseyDevil · 07-14-2005, 05:33 AM

After re-reading my post, what I meant to say was "Ever notice how most people that juice, talk WAY more about cycles, rather then about working out???

**dg806** · 07-14-2005, 11:38 AM

LOL I think both are true

musclepump · 07-14-2005, 01:25 PM

Jersey, how much of the mass that you gained on gear have you been able to keep? I think that's a pretty interesting factor for a lot of people who may only want to run one or two cycles. Did you reach your "genetic limit" and maintain it? Lose it? Kept anything? Most? Do tell

JerseyDevil · 07-14-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Jersey, how much of the mass that you gained on gear have you been able to keep? I think that's a pretty interesting factor for a lot of people who may only want to run one or two cycles. Did you reach your "genetic limit" and maintain it? Lose it? Kept anything? Most? Do tell

Good question, though I am not the best one to ask. I had a snowball of problems, starting with an arthritic left elbow, when caused me to take several weeks off. Then after coming back for a few weeks I tore my right pec, which resulted in another 6 weeks off. One of the problems I had with my last cycle was it drove my hemoglobin levels off the chart almost to a critical level. In otherwords, I was a stroke or heart attack waiting to happen.

I had been on HRT (Androgel) for a couple of years before I ever started using PH's or gear. Because my hemoglobin was so high, my doc took me off the testosterone. It pissed me off, but he was doing his job. So here I was was, a couple of injuries, barely working out, and my natural testosterone even after pct and 3 months off was only 180 mg/dl....

Amazingly, I kept about a 1/3 of the mass I gained, and am stronger then when I started... and at a lighter weight. But to answer your question, look at before and after pics of a Flex Wheeler or Dorian Yates. You don't keep it bro.

**dg806** · 07-14-2005, 07:49 PM

What was it that caused the hemoglobin to get so high?

JerseyDevil · 07-15-2005, 05:45 AM

All steroids can increase total blood volume and hemoglobin because it increases red blood cell count, sort of the opposite of anemia. Too many red bloods cells thicken the blood and can clog small capillaries and veins, greatly increasing the risk of stroke and heart attack. I always had liver values, cholesterol, and PSA's done after a cycle, but never a CBC. A hemoglobin value of 19 is considered critical stage, and mine was 18.8, and THAT was 6 weeks after the cycle was over. With total abstinence it took another two months for it be in the normal range.

Last cycle was test prop/deca/dbol. Prop and deca was Southern Labs, dbol were Naps.

**dg806** · 07-15-2005, 08:53 AM

I knew that EQ was bad for this as it increases EPO,(heavily abused among endurance athletes because it signals the body to increase the production of red blood cells...erythrocytes). I think this is what Lance Armstrong was accused of doping. I can not find anything on Deca to see if it does or not, but they act alot alike.

musclepump · 07-15-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Amazingly, I kept about a 1/3 of the mass I gained, and am stronger then when I started... and at a lighter weight. But to answer your question, look at before and after pics of a Flex Wheeler or Dorian Yates. You don't keep it bro.

Of course you don't keep it all, when you're that far over your genetic predisposition. But I was just wondering if you feel it helped you reach (and pass) your "limit" and whether or not you were able to stay at that point after the gear was gone.

**dg806** · 07-15-2005, 07:13 PM

Normal hemo is 13.2-16.9. Yours was high.

JerseyDevil · 07-15-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Of course you don't keep it all, when you're that far over your genetic predisposition. But I was just wondering if you feel it helped you reach (and pass) your "limit" and whether or not you were able to stay at that point after the gear was gone.

Then the answer would be yes, it pushed me to my genetic limit. After ceasing, you lose it on a linear basis. No free lunch.

musclepump · 07-15-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Then the answer would be yes, it pushed me to my genetic limit. After ceasing, you lose it on a linear basis. No free lunch.

Fair enough. As I said, I was just curious as to if reaching your limit can be maintained with proper work, or if the lack of muscle maturity would cause a small, or maybe a great deal, of loss, even if it were genetically attainable.

**dg806** · 07-16-2005, 10:32 AM

I think once you are over your genetic potential, the amount of food it takes to maintain the muscle mass gained (while not on steriods) would make you a huge blubber ball. There is no way you could not gain weight eating 4k+ calories every day unless you really did some kind of awesome aerobic activity.

**Pirate!** · 07-16-2005, 07:36 PM

I'm sorry to hear about your pitfalls, JD. I'm glad to hear that you have learned from it, though. With your natty test going so low, it is no wonder that you didn't keep the majority of your gains. I know how much you enjoyed that last cycle, too. That is where I first got the idea to run prop/npp/dbol. You are sure right about one thing: working out without the gear just isn't as fun as it was before trying it. I've had my share of injuries and other physical disabilities, myself. Even after two cycles of gear in the last year, I'm not any bigger than I was before--a bit stronger, though. The thing I like the most about juice is how you feel while working out (and at other times).

musclepump · 07-16-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I'm sorry to hear about your pitfalls, JD. I'm glad to hear that you have learned from it, though. With your natty test going so low, it is no wonder that you didn't keep the majority of your gains. I know how much you enjoyed that last cycle, too. That is where I first got the idea to run prop/npp/dbol. You are sure right about one thing: working out without the gear just isn't as fun as it was before trying it. I've had my share of injuries and other physical disabilities, myself. Even after

07-11-2005, 01:02 PM	#1
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,031 Photos: 1	UG labs, what's your choice? Thinking about my next cycle, and I think I'm going to switch from Qv products to an UG lab. Any thoughts or comments on 1. Morningstar labs (i'm leaning this way) 2. Gold Star 3. Red star 4. Southern Pharm. 5. Gaul 6. Berkley Meyer This is not a sourse posting, just asking about specific brands, mods, delete if this is a problem. Thanx guys
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07-11-2005, 06:30 PM	#4
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	I know Southern Pharm is a source on another board. Supposedly a great guy and great gear, but an open source like that scares me!
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07-13-2005, 10:20 AM	#11
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	When you post openly on boards, anyone can see you, including the feds that want to bust you. You could end up right in the middle of a bust. Anyone that has been around for a while will tell you if you don't want to end up in legal trouble, stay away for open sources. I'm sure their gear is good. Usually a little higher priced also. Not worth the risk to me.
	www.sbmuscle.com

07-13-2005, 10:58 AM	#12
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,031 Photos: 1	thanx for the input!
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07-11-2005, 07:44 PM	#6
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,185	When I was partaking, Southern LABS was the real deal. Can't comment on the others.

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TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,063 Photos: 1	I've only used SL and found nothing wrong with it....since I have nothing to compare it to its probably not fair I give an opinion....but I can say that I would only buy their gear until given reason not to.

07-14-2005, 05:33 AM	#16
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,185	After re-reading my post, what I meant to say was "Ever notice how most people that juice, talk WAY more about cycles, rather then about working out???

07-14-2005, 11:38 AM	#17
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	LOL I think both are true
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07-14-2005, 01:25 PM	#18
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,666 Photos: 128	Jersey, how much of the mass that you gained on gear have you been able to keep? I think that's a pretty interesting factor for a lot of people who may only want to run one or two cycles. Did you reach your "genetic limit" and maintain it? Lose it? Kept anything? Most? Do tell
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07-14-2005, 07:49 PM	#20
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	What was it that caused the hemoglobin to get so high?
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07-15-2005, 05:45 AM	#21
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,185	All steroids can increase total blood volume and hemoglobin because it increases red blood cell count, sort of the opposite of anemia. Too many red bloods cells thicken the blood and can clog small capillaries and veins, greatly increasing the risk of stroke and heart attack. I always had liver values, cholesterol, and PSA's done after a cycle, but never a CBC. A hemoglobin value of 19 is considered critical stage, and mine was 18.8, and THAT was 6 weeks after the cycle was over. With total abstinence it took another two months for it be in the normal range. Last cycle was test prop/deca/dbol. Prop and deca was Southern Labs, dbol were Naps.

07-15-2005, 08:53 AM	#22
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	I knew that EQ was bad for this as it increases EPO,(heavily abused among endurance athletes because it signals the body to increase the production of red blood cells...erythrocytes). I think this is what Lance Armstrong was accused of doping. I can not find anything on Deca to see if it does or not, but they act alot alike.
	www.sbmuscle.com

07-15-2005, 07:13 PM	#24
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	Normal hemo is 13.2-16.9. Yours was high.
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07-16-2005, 10:32 AM	#27
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,514	I think once you are over your genetic potential, the amount of food it takes to maintain the muscle mass gained (while not on steriods) would make you a huge blubber ball. There is no way you could not gain weight eating 4k+ calories every day unless you really did some kind of awesome aerobic activity.
	www.sbmuscle.com

07-16-2005, 07:36 PM	#28
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,817	I'm sorry to hear about your pitfalls, JD. I'm glad to hear that you have learned from it, though. With your natty test going so low, it is no wonder that you didn't keep the majority of your gains. I know how much you enjoyed that last cycle, too. That is where I first got the idea to run prop/npp/dbol. You are sure right about one thing: working out without the gear just isn't as fun as it was before trying it. I've had my share of injuries and other physical disabilities, myself. Even after two cycles of gear in the last year, I'm not any bigger than I was before--a bit stronger, though. The thing I like the most about juice is how you feel while working out (and at other times).
	Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.