Deca and Dianabol first time Cycle

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 05:19 PM

This is my First Real Cycle.

I've got 10mg Dianabol tablets I plan on starting this week for 5 weeks.
1st week 20mg day
2nd week 30mg day
3rd week 40 mg day
4th week 30mg day
5th week 20mg day

Also I have been taking Deca in the glut 1cc ever 4th day for the past week and will continue to take Deca 7 more weeks, which will be two weeks after my Dianabol ends.

I've researched and researched but every one is different. Can someone look at this and let me know if this is a decent first cycle.

I've been focusin on intaking at least 1 1/2 gram of protein for every kg of weight. and of course i've got the training down, Any suggestions and/or comments about the Dianabol and Deca, or if you can suggest something toward the end of my cycle that works good (anti Estrogen) thanks for any advice.

Eubanks5

TJ Cline · 07-29-2005, 05:40 PM

Its just my opinion but no first time user should have Dbol or Anadrol in their cycle......and you need some Test to take with that Deca......Deca alone is a no no.

Tough Old Man · 07-29-2005, 06:09 PM

AGAIN for you first time gear users

TEST ONLY @ 500MG/EW

**dg806** · 07-29-2005, 06:12 PM

No test.............big problem.

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 08:57 PM

What do you mean by Test? Testosterone?

TJ Cline · 07-29-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eubanks5

What do you mean by Test? Testosterone?

A few things that tell me you are not ready for responsible steroid use.
1 You don't know what test is.
2 You list cc's rather than the actual drug dose.
3 You taper up and then taper down with your Dbol.
4 your first thread is asking for steroid advice when you have already started your cycle.
5 Your first post is about steroids

Kind of like asking a woman if she has a STD and is on birth control...after you have cum in her.

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 09:24 PM

You got a point there,

The 1cc I'm taking is 300mg. I know Test is testosterone, just clarifying.
This is so frustrating, i've searched, and received advice, and evidently no one is completely accurate. Everyone is different in their suggestions and advice.

First of all,

Is Dbol, not ok to take with Deca-Alone, and vice versa?

I was told to start small 10-20mg day first couple weeks on Dbol, then peak40, and then drop it down at very end to 20mg/day.

LAM · 07-29-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eubanks5

I've researched and researched but every one is different. Can someone look at this and let me know if this is a decent first cycle.

the only decent first cycle is test only. why is everyone so scared to use test ?

**Mudge** · 07-29-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eubanks5

Everyone is different in their suggestions and advice.

First of all,

Is Dbol, not ok to take with Deca-Alone, and vice versa?

Are you supprised??? In nearly every aspect of life, people do things differently.

But, why would you suppress your natural testosterone output which is already minute, down to near or complete nothing, and then expect to feel good? Have you heard of deca dick? Do you know how insanely suppressive it is? Do you know how extremely long its half life is? Do you know its so rough on the system its detectable for up to 18 months?

I dont know why so many people are afraid of testosterone, when it is half of what you already are.

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 09:46 PM

So for a first cycle would Testosterone be ok on it's own in your opinion?

What would be a good mix with Dbol in your opinion? I've been told so many times that Deca and Dbol go together great.

Tough Old Man · 07-29-2005, 09:51 PM

You have 2 mod's and Mr. Lam telling you basically to do test only. Get the drift. If not then you need a good fucking head thrashing. TEST ONLY FOR THE FIRST CYCLE. If this doesn't shink in then this guy needs not to post and go out on his own.

I keep saying you need a voice activated sticky on first cycles for the dummy's that can't read..............

(P)LENTY (T)OUGH

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Originally Posted by dg806

No test.............big problem.

TJ Cline · 07-29-2005, 09:53 PM

First cycle test only 400-500mg a week, divided in to 2 shots per week of 200-250mg

Second cycle test and Deca or Equipoise.

Third cycle.....you know what do do at this point..

No Dbol, haloteston (stennox) or Anadrol until your 3 rd cycle....personally I would never use any of these oral steroids.

Just my opinion..

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 09:55 PM

Got it "tough old man" Test for first cycle... cool, now moving on..

for a more intermediate or advanced cycle in the future, if Dbol is included, what is the best to take with it?

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 09:57 PM

Hey FOrman Rules,

Is that an 8 week cycle? Keep Test at the same mg throughout?

TJ Cline · 07-29-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eubanks5

Hey FOrman Rules,

Is that an 8 week cycle? Keep Test at the same mg throughout?

Test E or C.....8-10 weeks......personally for a first time I recommend only 8 weeks.
Week 1-8 250 test every 4 days.............after about 12 days after last shot start nolvadex 40 mg a day...for 3 weeks.
then 20 mg a day for the last week.............4 weeks total.

Personally I would always do my last shot of the cycle as a tapper shot.....IE...instead of 250mg I would do 125mg....but thats just me, some people don't do that..

musclepump · 07-29-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

AGAIN for you first time gear users

TEST ONLY @ 500MG/EW

Ditto.

eubanks5 · 07-29-2005, 10:23 PM

Will do, thanks again....

**Mudge** · 07-30-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eubanks5

So for a first cycle would Testosterone be ok on it's own in your opinion?

Best cycle of my life, was my first, and I was anything but dissapointed. It was awesome and I dont think I would have wanted to put on more than the ~20 pounds than I did, because my blood pressure was already getting up there.

I was never much impressed with deca, other than one stint where it helped out my joints when I was doing accutane.

topolo · 07-30-2005, 11:18 AM

accutane is a bitch......

**Mudge** · 07-30-2005, 12:34 PM

Yes it was, and I'm glad to have been off it for over 6 months.

topolo · 07-30-2005, 12:49 PM

gave me bad depression, hurt my liver and made my hair fall out

19-chief · 07-30-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Are you supprised??? In nearly every aspect of life, people do things differently.

But, why would you suppress your natural testosterone output which is already minute, down to near or complete nothing, and then expect to feel good? Have you heard of deca dick? Do you know how insanely suppressive it is? Do you know how extremely long its half life is? Do you know its so rough on the system its detectable for up to 18 months?

I dont know why so many people are afraid of testosterone, when it is half of what you already are.

shit, i'm scared of the deca and i'm looking to avoid using the freebie i recently picked up for many of those reasons. i think the reason new guys try everything but testosterone is b/c it sounds exotic... b/c people only read the part of the compound profile that appeals to them. and they just don't understand/ learn the concepts of supression, synergy, and pharmacology in general.

**Mudge** · 07-30-2005, 04:49 PM

Deca is a classic, there is no denying that - but I never really responded much to it. I like EQ better, and even that is something I could live without. Some people seem to think deca is the be all end all, I am really somewhat baffled that everyone doesn't treat testosterone that way. Yet people keep looking to drugs that kill your natural T levels, dont replace it, and then think thats a good thing. I dont get it really.

If its a hair issue, then I'd have to step aside since I dont research that stuff as I have no problems there.

As far as effect goes, deca for me is like having a loaded spitball gun at my disposal. Something like tren or anadrol is like having a 50 caliber machine gun and full body armor. I'm ready to eat your children.

Tough Old Man · 07-31-2005, 03:24 PM

As far as effect goes, deca for me is like having a loaded spitball gun at my disposal. Something like tren or anadrol is like having a 50 caliber machine gun and full body armor. I'm ready to eat your children.[/QUOTE]Another Mike Tyson. My next cycle is going to include anadrol. Haven't used it since 1985

I thinking Anadrol for 3 weeks @ 75mg/ed with a gram of test and leave everything else out. I might slip a little and add 800 mg of EQ to it also. Hopefully not and the Drol and Test will do it.

Hey Mudge how much Test did your last cycle include when you were doing the drol. How were your gains.

**Mudge** · 07-31-2005, 10:52 PM

Back in february, I was probably running 750ish test, and I did 425 raw (bench). I believe I could have had 430ish one week, but when I got my blood tested I got off the drol because my liver was 25% over high normal. I dont really count the weight gains because they are somewhat bogus, most of the weight hits my legs, but I do see it in my face a bit too, very slowly. I remember a pound a day for 3 weeks. Upper body changes are a bit slow for me it seems.

As far as I'm concerned to date, drol is a powerlifting drug. I dont keep shit for size afterwards, I kept good leg strength, but the upper body slips after awhile. So all I can relate to you is strength stuff, being soft and holding water just doesn't count much in terms of size gains to me.

**Mudge** · 07-31-2005, 11:01 PM

This was me about May 2004ish, padded with water all around.

Basically I was in the 260s and almost could not tell where the weight went, its just water in the legs and some up top.