how hard is it to get gyno

durk · 08-01-2005, 09:01 PM

im about to run my very first cycle of 500mg of sust. and 200mg of deca for 8 weeks. people tell me this is a nothing cycle but iv still heard of people getting bitch tits from less. is there a more general rule of thumb for how much you should take or is everyone more genetically sensitive in there own ways, but what i really want know is just are my odds good or bad.

**Mudge** · 08-01-2005, 09:21 PM

Since you have warning, and you know what to use to stop it, I wouldn't worry.

Purdue Power · 08-01-2005, 09:58 PM

Some people are just more prone to gyno than others. A friend of mine has run rediculously high levels of test and been fine, while I ran 500mg/week of Sustanon and got gyno. Buy a few bottles of Vitex at a health food store and take 1200mg/day of that to help prevent gyno. If you develop a lump during your cycle, just start dosing your Nolva. It is always a possibility that you will get it, but it is also not something to worry too much about, even if you start to get it. I am on cycle right now and mine is gradually getting smaller from my Nolva and Vitex dosage.

TJ Cline · 08-01-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Some people are just more prone to gyno than others. A friend of mine has run rediculously high levels of test and been fine, while I ran 500mg/week of Sustanon and got gyno. Buy a few bottles of Vitex at a health food store and take 1200mg/day of that to help prevent gyno. If you develop a lump during your cycle, just start dosing your Nolva. It is always a possibility that you will get it, but it is also not something to worry too much about, even if you start to get it. I am on cycle right now and mine is gradually getting smaller from my Nolva and Vitex dosage.

How bad did you get gyno.......did it go away??

musclepump · 08-01-2005, 10:51 PM

I'd drop the 200mg. Your first cycle should be Test only.

Purdue Power · 08-01-2005, 11:24 PM

It was a lump with a diameter a little bigger than a nickel. It was very small during my cycle, but it got a lot bigger after my pct, signalling that I didn't pct long enough. It has definately gotten smaller since I started this cycle with Nolva, Letro, and Vitex. Funny....it didn't get smaller until I started another cycle. It is still there, but it keeps getting smaller.

durk · 08-02-2005, 08:36 AM

so I should drop the deca? would equipose be a good substitute or would i only need the sust because its my first cycle? damn I wish I got cyphonate after the research iv done all well.

how long would i run nolva if I get symptoms and would I have to quit my cycle?

durk · 08-02-2005, 08:39 AM

vitex?
Im canadian I dont think iv seen it in a supplement store is there a cemical name that i should look for in case theres something similar.

19-chief · 08-02-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durk

so I should drop the deca? would equipose be a good substitute or would i only need the sust because its my first cycle? damn I wish I got cyphonate after the research iv done all well.

how long would i run nolva if I get symptoms and would I have to quit my cycle?

if you start to get puffy and itchy nips, immediately dose the nolva high the first 2-3 days (40-60mg ED) then continue a maintenance dose throughout (10mg ED) until PCT time.

19-chief · 08-02-2005, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durk

vitex?
Im canadian I dont think iv seen it in a supplement store is there a cemical name that i should look for in case theres something similar.

it's everywhere... http://shopping.yahoo.com/search;_yl...p=mss&ei=UTF-8

Purdue Power · 08-02-2005, 11:28 AM

Ya, I think you should just go with Sustanon. You can jumpstart with an oral, like dbol, if you want. I did for my first cycle. But as far as injectables, you should be fine with 500mg/week of Sustanon. Yes, it would be better IMO to go with a single ester, but you already have the Sustanon. It still works, especially for your first cycle. I had great gains.

LAM · 08-02-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

I'd drop the 200mg. Your first cycle should be Test only.

ditto...500 mg/wk of test is all you need. stacking gear right off the bat provides no education to you on how YOUR body reacts to each compound

musclepump · 08-02-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

ditto...500 mg/wk of test is all you need. stacking gear right off the bat provides no education to you on how YOUR body reacts to each compound

I'd like to think my word is gold, but now with LAM backing me... listen to us

Besides, as I described to someone recently in detail in a PM, the more you use the more you'll have to use later. Start small, get what you can, only go up when you have to, and don't do more than you need. Be smart, not sorry.

durk · 08-02-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

if you start to get puffy and itchy nips, immediately dose the nolva high the first 2-3 days (40-60mg ED) then continue a maintenance dose throughout (10mg ED) until PCT time.

so if i get symptoms I continue with the cycle but just taking nolva the whole time?

durk · 08-02-2005, 08:53 PM

thanks for your help guys I really apreciate it.

19-chief · 08-03-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durk

so if i get symptoms I continue with the cycle but just taking nolva the whole time?

08-01-2005, 09:01 PM	#1
durk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 326	how hard is it to get gyno im about to run my very first cycle of 500mg of sust. and 200mg of deca for 8 weeks. people tell me this is a nothing cycle but iv still heard of people getting bitch tits from less. is there a more general rule of thumb for how much you should take or is everyone more genetically sensitive in there own ways, but what i really want know is just are my odds good or bad.

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Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Some people are just more prone to gyno than others. A friend of mine has run rediculously high levels of test and been fine, while I ran 500mg/week of Sustanon and got gyno. Buy a few bottles of Vitex at a health food store and take 1200mg/day of that to help prevent gyno. If you develop a lump during your cycle, just start dosing your Nolva. It is always a possibility that you will get it, but it is also not something to worry too much about, even if you start to get it. I am on cycle right now and mine is gradually getting smaller from my Nolva and Vitex dosage.
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08-01-2005, 11:24 PM	#6
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	It was a lump with a diameter a little bigger than a nickel. It was very small during my cycle, but it got a lot bigger after my pct, signalling that I didn't pct long enough. It has definately gotten smaller since I started this cycle with Nolva, Letro, and Vitex. Funny....it didn't get smaller until I started another cycle. It is still there, but it keeps getting smaller.
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08-02-2005, 08:36 AM	#7
durk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 326	so I should drop the deca? would equipose be a good substitute or would i only need the sust because its my first cycle? damn I wish I got cyphonate after the research iv done all well. how long would i run nolva if I get symptoms and would I have to quit my cycle?

08-02-2005, 08:39 AM	#8
durk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 326	vitex? Im canadian I dont think iv seen it in a supplement store is there a cemical name that i should look for in case theres something similar.

08-02-2005, 11:28 AM	#11
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Ya, I think you should just go with Sustanon. You can jumpstart with an oral, like dbol, if you want. I did for my first cycle. But as far as injectables, you should be fine with 500mg/week of Sustanon. Yes, it would be better IMO to go with a single ester, but you already have the Sustanon. It still works, especially for your first cycle. I had great gains.
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08-02-2005, 08:53 PM	#15
durk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 326	thanks for your help guys I really apreciate it.

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