question from the new guy

bigtom422 · 03-11-2002, 10:06 PM

I have been lifting for about 8 months, and have seen some AWESOME gains. I have gained 45 pounds in that amount of time, with 3-4% being from bodyfat. anyway, I have been looking at some juice, and the guy I am talking about is trying to sell me a stack, he says that it is more cost efficient, here is what is in it.
200 dianabol tabs -5 mg apiece (take 3 to 4 day)
20 tabs of clomidia- (50 mg apiece)
30 tabs of nolvadex- ( 10 mg apiece)

he says that that is cost efficient, (will cost me about 138 bucks for all of it), and was wondering what you guys thought. I dont want bitch tits or anything, and I dont want much water retention, but I want true muscle gains, not just a bunch of water. I researched on anabolicreview, and it gave me alot of info, I was just wandering if you guys thought it was good. They can research by reading books all they want, but when it comes to the truth, I would rather get it from someone who has tried it. Thanks in advance for all of your help!!!

kuso · 03-11-2002, 10:29 PM

I wonder why the hell you`d think of using when you`ve only been training for 8 months and are still putting on weight naturally

I`m sure you are nowhere near your peak naturally yet.

bigtom422 · 03-11-2002, 10:58 PM

I guess it is because I want to see faster gains. My size is getting better, and so are my weights that I can lift, but some lifts just dont seem to want to get better. Also, that is what I was asking, what do you guys think. If you think I can get bigger naturally, then hell, I might just do that, I was just toying with the idea.

tiny · 03-12-2002, 07:45 AM

thats not a stack.. he's selling ONE type of steroid (the dianabol) and two types of anti estrogen.. anyways, dbol only suck ass.. you'll get water retention up to you're ears and you'l+l loose virtually most of you're gains ..
he was smart though, selling clomid and nolva, cause you will need those anti E's to combat bitchtits and to get you're test.levels back in order..
you should definately workout longer ... steroids at this point is stupid..

i hope i answered you're question..lol.. i tend to ramble..

tiny

bigtom422 · 03-12-2002, 09:54 AM

I am glad that I asked, cause I was going to get them, but it seems that it isnt a good idea. I was sure about dianabol. anabolicreview said that it was one of the strongest anabolics availalable (oral anabolics), and that it would cause alot of water retention. I dont think that I am going to get it, but I want something to supplement my training. I also have read alot of aout t4 and clen. What do you guys think of those? I know that they are for weight loss, but what do you guys all think of them? I was under the impression that t4 was a anabolic steroid, but after reading some about it, it seems that it is a weight loss thing. Are those two very effective??

bigtom422 · 03-12-2002, 09:56 AM

also, he was trying to sell me deca and d-boll, with proviren, but I decided it was too expensive, and that I wanted more antiestrogens to go with it, and also something to help bring my test levels back up. that is kinda the missing link that I left out, cause that is the stack that I was talking about.

tiny · 03-12-2002, 02:30 PM

clen is great if you can handle the shakes .. they can get pretty bad.. T4 sucks ...lol.. i asked about T4 cause i can get a truckload of it for free, but it seems it's really nothing special.. it has to convert to T3 or something so you have to use alot, which wasn't that great.. T3 on the other hand works quite well..
sounds to me though you need a proper diet ... T3 alone won't do jack without a proper diet .. the same goes for clen ... or any other dietpill... sorry ...

tiny

tiny · 03-12-2002, 02:33 PM

i don't think you need proviron with deca, it's rear that people get deca induced gyno ... dbol on the other hand is used by alot of newbies, but it's harsh on you're system and gives you alot of bloat.. orals are for pro's .. get you're diet in order and then think about steroids..

tiny

bigtom422 · 03-12-2002, 08:12 PM

My diet is fairly good. I eat about 200 grams of protein on average a day. I try to keep my fats low, I drink lots of water, and I also eat low carbs sometimes. I was just hoping to get the input like I have, thanks guys!!

the ripper · 03-12-2002, 10:06 PM

whatever u gain quickly with steroids, u will also lose quickly when un stop using it

Lightman009 · 03-13-2002, 01:48 AM

So Im guessing then, that you should only use steroids if you have peaked? and are no longer adding mass?

**gopro** · 03-13-2002, 06:12 AM

This whole thing is a complicated question. I would hope that nobody would ever resort to steroids, but that if they did, they would wait for many years before trying them....certainly at least 5 years of solid training, diet, and supplementation.

I have been training for 16 years now, drug free, and am still growing! 254 and getting BIGGER!

As for some of the things mentioned above...generally, taking an oral like Dbol alone is not a good idea, however, as a bodybuilding coach and trainer, I am faced with people everyday that want to take roids, and some that will not use needles. In this case, they usually want a strong drug like Dbol or Anadrol to promote quick gains. My job in this case is to try to keep side effects to a minimum, and, to try to preserve gains after they come off. Not an easy task, especially preserving gains, but it can be done with the right protocal. Usually, I am able to help them keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what they gained when they follow my guidelines strictly. Still...I don't recommend steroids at all.

As for clen and T3...these are NOT steroids, and are not necessary unless you need to get to 3% bodyfat to compete in high level BBing shows. In any case, stay away from them.

Work your ass off in the gym, at the eating table, and take the right supps, and you will grow plenty.

bigtom422 · 03-13-2002, 11:06 AM

thanks for all of the info gopro, I think I am going to stay away from them, cause it seems kinda self defeating now, especially if it will all go away. Thanks for the replies guys.

03-11-2002, 10:06 PM	#1
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	question from the new guy I have been lifting for about 8 months, and have seen some AWESOME gains. I have gained 45 pounds in that amount of time, with 3-4% being from bodyfat. anyway, I have been looking at some juice, and the guy I am talking about is trying to sell me a stack, he says that it is more cost efficient, here is what is in it. 200 dianabol tabs -5 mg apiece (take 3 to 4 day) 20 tabs of clomidia- (50 mg apiece) 30 tabs of nolvadex- ( 10 mg apiece) he says that that is cost efficient, (will cost me about 138 bucks for all of it), and was wondering what you guys thought. I dont want bitch tits or anything, and I dont want much water retention, but I want true muscle gains, not just a bunch of water. I researched on anabolicreview, and it gave me alot of info, I was just wandering if you guys thought it was good. They can research by reading books all they want, but when it comes to the truth, I would rather get it from someone who has tried it. Thanks in advance for all of your help!!!

03-12-2002, 07:45 AM	#4
tiny Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 13	thats not a stack.. he's selling ONE type of steroid (the dianabol) and two types of anti estrogen.. anyways, dbol only suck ass.. you'll get water retention up to you're ears and you'l+l loose virtually most of you're gains .. he was smart though, selling clomid and nolva, cause you will need those anti E's to combat bitchtits and to get you're test.levels back in order.. you should definately workout longer ... steroids at this point is stupid.. i hope i answered you're question..lol.. i tend to ramble.. tiny
	www.musclechemistry.com

03-12-2002, 02:30 PM	#7
tiny Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 13	clen is great if you can handle the shakes .. they can get pretty bad.. T4 sucks ...lol.. i asked about T4 cause i can get a truckload of it for free, but it seems it's really nothing special.. it has to convert to T3 or something so you have to use alot, which wasn't that great.. T3 on the other hand works quite well.. sounds to me though you need a proper diet ... T3 alone won't do jack without a proper diet .. the same goes for clen ... or any other dietpill... sorry ... tiny
	www.musclechemistry.com

03-12-2002, 02:33 PM	#8
tiny Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 13	i don't think you need proviron with deca, it's rear that people get deca induced gyno ... dbol on the other hand is used by alot of newbies, but it's harsh on you're system and gives you alot of bloat.. orals are for pro's .. get you're diet in order and then think about steroids.. tiny
	www.musclechemistry.com

03-13-2002, 01:48 AM	#11
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	So Im guessing then, that you should only use steroids if you have peaked? and are no longer adding mass?
	Just Shut Up and LIFT.

03-11-2002, 10:29 PM	#2
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	I wonder why the hell you`d think of using when you`ve only been training for 8 months and are still putting on weight naturally I`m sure you are nowhere near your peak naturally yet.

03-11-2002, 10:58 PM	#3
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	I guess it is because I want to see faster gains. My size is getting better, and so are my weights that I can lift, but some lifts just dont seem to want to get better. Also, that is what I was asking, what do you guys think. If you think I can get bigger naturally, then hell, I might just do that, I was just toying with the idea.

03-12-2002, 09:54 AM	#5
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	I am glad that I asked, cause I was going to get them, but it seems that it isnt a good idea. I was sure about dianabol. anabolicreview said that it was one of the strongest anabolics availalable (oral anabolics), and that it would cause alot of water retention. I dont think that I am going to get it, but I want something to supplement my training. I also have read alot of aout t4 and clen. What do you guys think of those? I know that they are for weight loss, but what do you guys all think of them? I was under the impression that t4 was a anabolic steroid, but after reading some about it, it seems that it is a weight loss thing. Are those two very effective??

03-12-2002, 09:56 AM	#6
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	also, he was trying to sell me deca and d-boll, with proviren, but I decided it was too expensive, and that I wanted more antiestrogens to go with it, and also something to help bring my test levels back up. that is kinda the missing link that I left out, cause that is the stack that I was talking about.

03-12-2002, 08:12 PM	#9
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	My diet is fairly good. I eat about 200 grams of protein on average a day. I try to keep my fats low, I drink lots of water, and I also eat low carbs sometimes. I was just hoping to get the input like I have, thanks guys!!

03-12-2002, 10:06 PM	#10
the ripper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: montreal Posts: 37	whatever u gain quickly with steroids, u will also lose quickly when un stop using it

03-13-2002, 06:12 AM	#12
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,499	This whole thing is a complicated question. I would hope that nobody would ever resort to steroids, but that if they did, they would wait for many years before trying them....certainly at least 5 years of solid training, diet, and supplementation. I have been training for 16 years now, drug free, and am still growing! 254 and getting BIGGER! As for some of the things mentioned above...generally, taking an oral like Dbol alone is not a good idea, however, as a bodybuilding coach and trainer, I am faced with people everyday that want to take roids, and some that will not use needles. In this case, they usually want a strong drug like Dbol or Anadrol to promote quick gains. My job in this case is to try to keep side effects to a minimum, and, to try to preserve gains after they come off. Not an easy task, especially preserving gains, but it can be done with the right protocal. Usually, I am able to help them keep 1/2 to 2/3 of what they gained when they follow my guidelines strictly. Still...I don't recommend steroids at all. As for clen and T3...these are NOT steroids, and are not necessary unless you need to get to 3% bodyfat to compete in high level BBing shows. In any case, stay away from them. Work your ass off in the gym, at the eating table, and take the right supps, and you will grow plenty.
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

03-13-2002, 11:06 AM	#13
bigtom422 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: millersburg, Ind, USA Posts: 43	thanks for all of the info gopro, I think I am going to stay away from them, cause it seems kinda self defeating now, especially if it will all go away. Thanks for the replies guys.

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