need some help with 1st cycle

MasterMind · 08-30-2005, 12:07 PM

what kind of results can i expect to see with anadrall and dianabol?

are there any side effects? is it liver toxic? will it cause hair loss or shrinkage? when people say shrinkage does it mean in it's happy state or when it's just lying there?

I know that this stack will raise testoserone levels so when i'm done would i need to take something to regulate testosterone levels?

will the gains stay once you get off of this cycle?

thanks for all your help in advance

19-chief · 08-30-2005, 12:18 PM

here we go again.

largepkg · 08-30-2005, 12:39 PM

MasterMind · 08-30-2005, 12:46 PM

sorry i'm new here what do you mean by here we go again? and

?

i would just like some answers before taking anything btw the anadrall and dianabol are oral tablets

TJ Cline · 08-30-2005, 01:06 PM

I think you are a little to young and way to uninformed for steroid use.

MasterMind · 08-30-2005, 01:31 PM

so instead of answering and helping me out you say i'm too young and uninformed

that's why i ask...to learn

and do you know how old i even am?

21....and 'm pretty sure that's old enough right?

please guys help me out

gococksDJS · 08-30-2005, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

so instead of answering and helping me out you say i'm too young and uninformed

that's why i ask...to learn

and do you know how old i even am?

21....and 'm pretty sure that's old enough right?

please guys help me out

Did you get these from a source or from some website like legalsteroids.com? Im asking because when you say anadrall, do you mean anadrol or is your product named anadrall? Oxymetholone is the pharmaceutical name for Anadrol. And is your dbol real? To answer a few of your questions, if it's real anadrol yes it is one of the most liver toxic steroids there are, and dbol is also liver toxic so stacking the two would be an incredible health risk IMO. Anytime you provide your body with an exogenous hormone, it stops your natural production of testosterone thus disrupting what is called the HPTA, and testicular shrinkage is a possible side effect from this but your little balls will return to normal when you restore your natural test production. Don't run 2 orals together for a cycle. If you've never used steroids go with 500mg of test enanthate or cypionate a week in two 250mg shots for 10 weeks followed by PCT. From your posts it seems to me you need to learn about steroids big time before deciding to use them.

TJ Cline · 08-30-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

so instead of answering and helping me out you say i'm too young and uninformed

that's why i ask...to learn

and do you know how old i even am?

21....and 'm pretty sure that's old enough right?

please guys help me out

21 is old enough.
Your first post and thread is about steroid use and we dont know anything at all about you? You cant expect good advise when we know nothing at all.....

are you male or female, how old, how long have you been training, what are your lifts like now, what is your body fat %, height and weight....ect.

One cycle could be good for one person and a disaster for another.

And to answer your question.....do not take Anadrol or D-bol for a first cycle...and never use them alone.

MasterMind · 08-30-2005, 02:10 PM

yes i did see them on a legal steroid site...it is called anadrall it has the shadow of a dog on the bottle......when u say the balls shrink and go back do you mean they go back naturally or do you have to take something to regulate this?

the dianabol are called dianabol pinks

here's a lil info about a year ago i was scrawny at 5''11 130pounds so i got on a mass diet i ate about 5,000 calories a day and in about 4 months i weighed a close to 215 pounds and i was gonna continue until i reached my goal of 250 pounds but i didn't like how my stomach was going so i decided to cut up ....if i coulda kept the rest of the body and lost my stomach that woulda been great but has it turns out i am now down to 175pounds at 5''11 my bodyfat on a seven site test 9.1% but i say i am more like 12-16%

anyway i miss my strength and size from benching 180 for my reps and a max of 250 4 times to benching 130 for my reps and i couldn't even lift 200 off the bar my arms were 15.5 pumped now 14.5 pumped

anyway it's either i get fat or i get skinny so i'm considerring roids

when i call the number the guy says dianabol pinks and anadrall for size and strength he says to throw in parabol when i wanna cut up....what do you guys think?

TJ Cline · 08-30-2005, 02:13 PM

Sounds like you have done a good job in the gym and at the dinner table..
But my advise would be train for 2 more years naturally....and dont buy steroids off a web site,,,,most are fake and the rest are scams..

gococksDJS · 08-30-2005, 02:30 PM

So you gained 85lbs in 4 months and then dropped another 40lbs and your now at 175? Im no expert but this seems odd to me. You bulked from 130lbs to 215lbs in 4 months and if you did this naturally (no anabolics) then most of that would be fat, because if you put on, lets say, a solid 1lb of muscle a week that would only put you at 146lbs of lbm meaning you gained almost 65lbs in fat, then you say you cut down to 175lbs with about 10%body fat. Which would mean you would had put on close to 30lbs of solid muscle while cutting down from 215? Now I don't know if any of this is right but your extreme weight fluctuation as well as the drastic changes in lbs. your lifting would lead me to believe you eat a terrible diet and have no idea how to bulk cleanly or cut effectively. If these are your real numbers you really need to learn how to diet and train before using steroids because based on what you told us, I would think you would lose all your gains and put on a lot of fat from any anabolic cycle, even a cutter. Now all this is assuming you weren't running some serious gear, or had gastric bypass surgery, or I could be wrong all together.

MasterMind · 08-30-2005, 02:55 PM

i had been working out since i was 14 but when at around 19 is when i said hey my diet is screwed that's why i'm seeing nothing so i ate like a horse i got in like i said 5,000 cals about300g protein 130g fat and about 400g carbs
but not all the food was good here's an example of how i gained the weight

4 pop tarts
2 cups of ramen noodles
4 eggs
3 betastatin meal replacement shakes
1 mass tech shake
1 can of spagettios
2 cans of tuna(4 sandwiches on wheat bread)
1 mini microwave oven pizza
4 slices wheat bread folded in half with peanut butter
1 gallon of water throughout the day
everyday i would eat this plus whatever id eat at family/friends
towards the end i started to eat i packet of lipton rice sides a day along with the above mentioned

on my cutting diet i did cardio everyday and weight trained on 3 of the days(by the way i weight trained 3-4 days on the bulking diet)

on cardio only days

3 macrobolic shakes
3 pieces of chicken
3 eggs
which is 1,830 cals 216g protein 120g carbs and 48g fat

on weightlifting days

3 macrobloic shakes
3 pieces of chicken
3 eggs
3 yogurts
which is 2,340 cals 231g protein 219g carbs and 52.5g fat

i did not just jump to this diet from the 215 weight...when i was at 215 i quit lifting for about 3 months and my weight dropped down to about 195 (i think that's actually when i lost muscle and strength)

my new mass diet will be a bit more clean here it is...let me know what you think

4 pieces wheat bread folded in half with peanutbutter
2 packets macrobolic shakes
1 mass tech shake
2 pieces of chicken
2 cups of yogurt
3 whole eggs
2 tuna sandwiches with 4 slices of wheat bread and 1 can of tuna
which is 4,135 cals 289.50g protein 441g carbs 136.50g fat

what if any type of steroids would be good?(not injectable though)

19-chief · 08-30-2005, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

sorry i'm new here what do you mean by here we go again? and

?

i would just like some answers before taking anything btw the anadrall and dianabol are oral tablets

i said what i did is b/c it seems quite obvious that you haven't done much research. traditionally, one starts by reading/absorbing all the information one can before they go and ask questions. the way you've gone about it is kinda like walking into class the first day of the semester and asking the professor questions from the last chapter and making an ass of yourself. i mean offense by that. just stick around and use the search option for first cycles and for any other questions. chances are they have already been asked and answered.
gcDJS is correct... use a long estered testosterone (study your pharmacology!) at 400-500mg/wk or 200-250mg E4D (every fourth day) for 8-10 weeks. study up on PCT (post cycle therapy) as well.

gococksDJS · 08-30-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

i had been working out since i was 14 but when at around 19 is when i said hey my diet is screwed that's why i'm seeing nothing so i ate like a horse i got in like i said 5,000 cals about300g protein 130g fat and about 400g carbs
but not all the food was good here's an example of how i gained the weight

4 pop tarts
2 cups of ramen noodles
4 eggs
3 betastatin meal replacement shakes
1 mass tech shake
1 can of spagettios
2 cans of tuna(4 sandwiches on wheat bread)
1 mini microwave oven pizza
4 slices wheat bread folded in half with peanut butter
1 gallon of water throughout the day
everyday i would eat this plus whatever id eat at family/friends
towards the end i started to eat i packet of lipton rice sides a day along with the above mentioned

on my cutting diet i did cardio everyday and weight trained on 3 of the days(by the way i weight trained 3-4 days on the bulking diet)

on cardio only days

3 macrobolic shakes
3 pieces of chicken
3 eggs
which is 1,830 cals 216g protein 120g carbs and 48g fat

on weightlifting days

3 macrobloic shakes
3 pieces of chicken
3 eggs
3 yogurts
which is 2,340 cals 231g protein 219g carbs and 52.5g fat

i did not just jump to this diet from the 215 weight...when i was at 215 i quit lifting for about 3 months and my weight dropped down to about 195 (i think that's actually when i lost muscle and strength)

my new mass diet will be a bit more clean here it is...let me know what you think

4 pieces wheat bread folded in half with peanutbutter
2 packets macrobolic shakes
1 mass tech shake
2 pieces of chicken
2 cups of yogurt
3 whole eggs
2 tuna sandwiches with 4 slices of wheat bread and 1 can of tuna
which is 4,135 cals 289.50g protein 441g carbs 136.50g fat

what if any type of steroids would be good?(not injectable though)

I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything. I was just saying I find it hard to understand how you can put on that kind of muscle in only a few months time while supposedly eating a calorie restricted diet. I can understand gaining 85lbs in 4 months but a significant amount of that would have to be fat, drastically increasing your bf% then you say you cut a great deal of fat and put on muscle in a matter of 6 months to end at 175lbs with 10-12% body fat all without the aid of anabolics. Maybe the more knowledgeable guys like Mudge, LAM or DG can help me understand how this would be done, because if this is true, I think it's incredible.

gococksDJS · 08-30-2005, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

what if any type of steroids would be good?(not injectable though)

A common saying is "If your not ready to inject, your not ready for anabolics". An injectible cycle like 500mg Test/week for 10-12 weeks would be much easier on your liver, and body in terms of edema etc. than a cycle half that long of anadrol/dbol.

19-chief · 08-30-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

"If your not ready to inject, your not ready for anabolics".

MasterMind · 08-31-2005, 08:37 AM

OK i will hold out on taking them.....one more question though.......i have taken the beast anabolic activator along with human growth complex i also have taken tribulus terrestris (not for years though) and more recently the meal replacement betastatin wpi2 which is said to elevate testosterone levels.....with that said should i have or should i take some kind of post cycle therapy?...i don't mean to sound crazy or anything it's just that i wanna know if any of that stuff effected the natural order of things and if i need it to get back to normal......thanks and sorry for being such a dumbass

19-chief · 08-31-2005, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterMind

OK i will hold out on taking them.....one more question though.......i have taken the beast anabolic activator along with human growth complex i also have taken tribulus terrestris (not for years though) and more recently the meal replacement betastatin wpi2 which is said to elevate testosterone levels.....with that said should i have or should i take some kind of post cycle therapy?...i don't mean to sound crazy or anything it's just that i wanna know if any of that stuff effected the natural order of things and if i need it to get back to normal......thanks and sorry for being such a dumbass

no. none of those, i think, are exogenous sources of testosterone.

kraziplaya · 09-01-2005, 11:52 AM

if you are going to take anabolics you should definately start with an injectable long ester test... get the tools you will need to combat sides, have a pct plan and eat correctly and you will have a enjoyable first cycle...

ps.. 9 out of 10 websites are ripoffs... especially the website you were looking at

08-30-2005, 12:07 PM	#1
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	need some help with 1st cycle what kind of results can i expect to see with anadrall and dianabol? are there any side effects? is it liver toxic? will it cause hair loss or shrinkage? when people say shrinkage does it mean in it's happy state or when it's just lying there? I know that this stack will raise testoserone levels so when i'm done would i need to take something to regulate testosterone levels? will the gains stay once you get off of this cycle? thanks for all your help in advance
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08-30-2005, 12:18 PM	#2
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08-30-2005, 12:46 PM	#4
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	sorry i'm new here what do you mean by here we go again? and ? i would just like some answers before taking anything btw the anadrall and dianabol are oral tablets
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08-30-2005, 01:06 PM	#5
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	I think you are a little to young and way to uninformed for steroid use.
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08-30-2005, 01:31 PM	#6
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	so instead of answering and helping me out you say i'm too young and uninformed that's why i ask...to learn and do you know how old i even am? 21....and 'm pretty sure that's old enough right? please guys help me out
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08-30-2005, 02:10 PM	#9
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	yes i did see them on a legal steroid site...it is called anadrall it has the shadow of a dog on the bottle......when u say the balls shrink and go back do you mean they go back naturally or do you have to take something to regulate this? the dianabol are called dianabol pinks here's a lil info about a year ago i was scrawny at 5''11 130pounds so i got on a mass diet i ate about 5,000 calories a day and in about 4 months i weighed a close to 215 pounds and i was gonna continue until i reached my goal of 250 pounds but i didn't like how my stomach was going so i decided to cut up ....if i coulda kept the rest of the body and lost my stomach that woulda been great but has it turns out i am now down to 175pounds at 5''11 my bodyfat on a seven site test 9.1% but i say i am more like 12-16% anyway i miss my strength and size from benching 180 for my reps and a max of 250 4 times to benching 130 for my reps and i couldn't even lift 200 off the bar my arms were 15.5 pumped now 14.5 pumped anyway it's either i get fat or i get skinny so i'm considerring roids when i call the number the guy says dianabol pinks and anadrall for size and strength he says to throw in parabol when i wanna cut up....what do you guys think?
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8

08-30-2005, 02:13 PM	#10
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	Sounds like you have done a good job in the gym and at the dinner table.. But my advise would be train for 2 more years naturally....and dont buy steroids off a web site,,,,most are fake and the rest are scams..
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544

08-30-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	So you gained 85lbs in 4 months and then dropped another 40lbs and your now at 175? Im no expert but this seems odd to me. You bulked from 130lbs to 215lbs in 4 months and if you did this naturally (no anabolics) then most of that would be fat, because if you put on, lets say, a solid 1lb of muscle a week that would only put you at 146lbs of lbm meaning you gained almost 65lbs in fat, then you say you cut down to 175lbs with about 10%body fat. Which would mean you would had put on close to 30lbs of solid muscle while cutting down from 215? Now I don't know if any of this is right but your extreme weight fluctuation as well as the drastic changes in lbs. your lifting would lead me to believe you eat a terrible diet and have no idea how to bulk cleanly or cut effectively. If these are your real numbers you really need to learn how to diet and train before using steroids because based on what you told us, I would think you would lose all your gains and put on a lot of fat from any anabolic cycle, even a cutter. Now all this is assuming you weren't running some serious gear, or had gastric bypass surgery, or I could be wrong all together.
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08-30-2005, 02:55 PM	#12
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	i had been working out since i was 14 but when at around 19 is when i said hey my diet is screwed that's why i'm seeing nothing so i ate like a horse i got in like i said 5,000 cals about300g protein 130g fat and about 400g carbs but not all the food was good here's an example of how i gained the weight 4 pop tarts 2 cups of ramen noodles 4 eggs 3 betastatin meal replacement shakes 1 mass tech shake 1 can of spagettios 2 cans of tuna(4 sandwiches on wheat bread) 1 mini microwave oven pizza 4 slices wheat bread folded in half with peanut butter 1 gallon of water throughout the day everyday i would eat this plus whatever id eat at family/friends towards the end i started to eat i packet of lipton rice sides a day along with the above mentioned on my cutting diet i did cardio everyday and weight trained on 3 of the days(by the way i weight trained 3-4 days on the bulking diet) on cardio only days 3 macrobolic shakes 3 pieces of chicken 3 eggs which is 1,830 cals 216g protein 120g carbs and 48g fat on weightlifting days 3 macrobloic shakes 3 pieces of chicken 3 eggs 3 yogurts which is 2,340 cals 231g protein 219g carbs and 52.5g fat i did not just jump to this diet from the 215 weight...when i was at 215 i quit lifting for about 3 months and my weight dropped down to about 195 (i think that's actually when i lost muscle and strength) my new mass diet will be a bit more clean here it is...let me know what you think 4 pieces wheat bread folded in half with peanutbutter 2 packets macrobolic shakes 1 mass tech shake 2 pieces of chicken 2 cups of yogurt 3 whole eggs 2 tuna sandwiches with 4 slices of wheat bread and 1 can of tuna which is 4,135 cals 289.50g protein 441g carbs 136.50g fat what if any type of steroids would be good?(not injectable though)
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8

08-31-2005, 08:37 AM	#17
MasterMind Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8	OK i will hold out on taking them.....one more question though.......i have taken the beast anabolic activator along with human growth complex i also have taken tribulus terrestris (not for years though) and more recently the meal replacement betastatin wpi2 which is said to elevate testosterone levels.....with that said should i have or should i take some kind of post cycle therapy?...i don't mean to sound crazy or anything it's just that i wanna know if any of that stuff effected the natural order of things and if i need it to get back to normal......thanks and sorry for being such a dumbass
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09-01-2005, 11:52 AM	#19
kraziplaya Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Posts: 527 Photos: 1	if you are going to take anabolics you should definately start with an injectable long ester test... get the tools you will need to combat sides, have a pct plan and eat correctly and you will have a enjoyable first cycle... ps.. 9 out of 10 websites are ripoffs... especially the website you were looking at

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