Can you get freaky big without injecting?

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 01:56 PM

Hey, just wondering if you could still get very big by taking tablets alone and without the use of injecting test.

**TJ Cline** · 09-13-2005, 01:58 PM

no

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 02:01 PM

damn - i am scared of injections.

Bodybuilder friends keep scaring me telling me about how their mates died by injecting test wrongly.

**LAM** · 09-13-2005, 02:02 PM

depends on what your definition of freaky big is. if you are talking about IFBB Heavyweight big, then no fucking way.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

depends on what your definition of freaky big is. if you are talking about IFBB Heavyweight big, then no fucking way.

i am talking about getting me to 200lbs with low bodyfat.

**LAM** · 09-13-2005, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

Bodybuilder friends keep scaring me telling me about how their mates died by injecting test wrongly.

they are full of shit. you can not die directly just from the administration of any sex hormone.

**P-funk** · 09-13-2005, 02:04 PM

at 19yrs old and 130lbs I would say try training for 10 more years natural before you start using steroids. You should really be growing if you are serious and dedicated to the sport. 130lbs means you have a long way to go.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 02:07 PM

10 more years natural!! are you joking!?

i am 5'4" you keep forgetting.

Would just taking tabs and avoiding injectables get me to 200lbs?

**P-funk** · 09-13-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

10 more years natural!! are you joking!?

i am 5'4" you keep forgetting.

Would just taking tabs and avoiding injectables get me to 200lbs?

yea, 10yrs. I am not joking. You need to lay a foundation.

You keep forgetting that I am 5'5". I have been 200lbs before. You are small as shit bro. You really need to try and naturally add size. At 130lbs you are either under grown or are geneticfally a small person.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 02:14 PM

Ok i have no interest staying natural after the natural contest next year.

So i have a years time left to get to 154lbs and then cut to 140 or so for contest.

I am genetically small, parents are BOTH 5'3".

Anyway would taking tabs only and avoiding test get me to 200lbs with low bodyfat?

**musclepump** · 09-13-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

10 more years natural!! are you joking!?

i am 5'4" you keep forgetting.

Would just taking tabs and avoiding injectables get me to 200lbs?

No one forgets that you're vertically challenged. I won't say 10 years, but you definitely need a lot more natural training before you start on gear. And if you're afraid of needles, you may as well forget it. The only thing that will get freaky huge on just tablets is your liver--swollen and ready to burst.

**Stu** · 09-13-2005, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

Ok i have no interest staying natural after the natural contest next year.

So i have a years time left to get to 154lbs and then cut to 140 or so for contest.

I am genetically small, parents are BOTH 5'3".

Anyway would taking tabs only and avoiding test get me to 200lbs with low bodyfat?

if you were willing to sacrifice you liver and kidneys then maybe

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

damn - i am scared of injections.

Bodybuilder friends keep scaring me telling me about how their mates died by injecting test wrongly.

I'm pretty sure almost everyone is scared of their first injection. My first shot consisted of 2cc's of test e and EQ and it didn't hit me until I took the cap off the needle and thought "I'm supposed to shove this thing into my ass cheek?" When I pushed the needle in I thought it was going to go in quick but pushing 2cc's of oil through a 25g pin is no easy task. Well my roommate watched as I shook the needle around like a jackhammer, but in time you learn the best way your body reacts to shots like where to put more or less oil, but once you start seeing the results you begin to look forward to shooting. The point of this long rambling paragraph is that you quickly get over any fear of shots.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 02:28 PM

thank you for the replies.

heres a picture of my friend:

He said that one of his mates died in front of him becuase he injected a air bubble in to himself. This travelled to the heart and blocked the artery.

true?

Also told me another about another mate of his dieing 8 hours after a shot (i forgot this reason)

So he has reLLY freaked me out about injecting.

**LAM** · 09-13-2005, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

He said that one of his mates died in front of him becuase he injected a air bubble in to himself. This travelled to the heart and blocked the artery.

true?

yes..Air bubbles in the blood stream cause a problem because of size. If they
could be broken up into microscopic size they would not be a problem. Large bubbles form a physical block to blood flow in the involved artery, just like a blood clot in a heart attack or a stroke. The air in the bubble does dissolve into the blood eventually, but it takes hours or days to do so and by then the damage is done. The tissue supplied by the involved arteries starts to die because of no oxygen.

if your buddy is telling you that using orals over injectables is safer he truely knows very little about human physiology. personally I have found this to be true with the majority of bodybuilders as they get most of their information from other persons vs. performing their own research

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

thank you for the replies.

heres a picture of my friend:

He said that one of his mates died in front of him becuase he injected a air bubble in to himself. This travelled to the heart and blocked the artery.

true?

Also told me another about another mate of his dieing 8 hours after a shot (i forgot this reason)

So he has reLLY freaked me out about injecting.

Yes if you inject a rather sizeable air bubble into your bloodstream it will cause a pulmonary embolism but it would have to be bigger than 30ml because veins direct blood through the lungs before going through your body. I personally don't see how someone could accidently shoot an airbubble that size into a vein. There are two very simple ways to avoid injecting airbubbles into a bloodstream. 1.) Clear the syrenge of any air bubbles before injecting and 2.) Aspirate to make sure you aren't about to mainline it.

**growinbigger** · 09-13-2005, 04:43 PM

Looking at your friends pictures, he seems to have done at least a cycle or two himself. I'd be tempted to think he doesn't want any competition. The needles thing is no problem. I've been on hormone therapy replacement for over six years so I have do it. You get used to it quickly. You learn the proper technique and where to inject. The orals can be quite toxic to the liver, and most pros only use them in short cycles when they use them at all. Injectables are much less stressful on the body.

Now, at your age, you should wait until you have trained and built a good foundation before you try AAS in tab or injectable form. I'd say about 4-5 more years with the right diet (you have to eat, eat, eat--can't get big if you eat like a bird) and training, you could reach a decent portion of your goal at least. Also, at your height, it won't take a lot to make you look huge because you'll fill out fast. 200 may be overkill.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 04:58 PM

thanks for the nice replies again!

oK I will worry about injecting once i hit 21 when i will want to start.

Gives me plenty of time to fill out and get my diet and training sorted.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by growinbigger

I'd be tempted to think he doesn't want any competition.

He is much older than me and looks great, he got to 240+ lbs when he was younger and competing a lot. Now he is starting to compete again.

lol I am no competition to him.

**TJ Cline** · 09-13-2005, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

damn - i am scared of injections.

Bodybuilder friends keep scaring me telling me about how their mates died by injecting test wrongly.

Take a phlebotomy course so you are proficient at shots.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-13-2005, 05:12 PM

Cool idea!

do you know any websites were i could get some more info?

**TJ Cline** · 09-13-2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

Cool idea!

do you know any websites were i could get some more info?

http://www.guidetohealthcareschools....gle_gths_phlbt
this might help, I have no idea where in England

but this site might give you some ideas.

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

Cool idea!

do you know any websites were i could get some more info?

http://www.spotinjections.com/

**growinbigger** · 09-13-2005, 05:34 PM

I was just going to suggest that same site, but gococksDJS beat me to it. Great site for what you want to know.

**TJ Cline** · 09-13-2005, 05:42 PM

I'll tell you I do not like this site (http://www.spotinjections.com/) or would I recommend it to someone with 0 knowledge about I.M. injections. They do have some good information but they also have some injection spots that are very very dangerous to use.....stick with the basics: glutes, deltoid and quads for now.

**Mudge** · 09-13-2005, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

damn - i am scared of injections.

Needle or death by trying to get needle like gains from orals, hmmmmm. My first shot took me 45 minutes, I had no fetish for needles. But like many things in life you get used to it, especially when you see those gains.

I've had high liver values after a few weeks of what was not astronomical dosing, higher than rookie but not astronomical. You can't keep using more orals, or longer, without paying a price. I've talked to a couple people with some level of PERMANENT liver damage from oral use.

If you really dont feel comfortable with needles, STAY NATURAL.

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

They do have some good information but they also have some injection spots that are very very dangerous to use.....stick with the basics: glutes, deltoid and quads for now.

This isn't an option when running short esters that are optimal at ED injections like a prop/tren combo.

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 06:50 PM

I meant it isn't an option if you want to avoid the pain of scar tissue buildup and hitting the same site 2+ times a week.

**TJ Cline** · 09-13-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

This isn't an option when running short esters that are optimal at ED injections like a prop/tren combo.

I did it with EOD shots only using those sites, no problems at all.

**gococksDJS** · 09-13-2005, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I did it with EOD shots only using those sites, no problems at all.

Yeah, with EOD shots you have more time to rotate those six sites where as ED is twice the number of shots. But with ED vs. EOD at least you usually are shooting less when doing ED despite the increased number of shots.

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