1st cycle. test vs deca question.

jasone · 09-22-2005, 10:09 PM

First of all, steroids scare but fascinate me at the same time. I am 32, strong as hell, and have been working out since 12. I have built a pretty good base to start at 205lbs 15-17%. Gains do not come as easy as they did years ago. I don't want to wait till 40 yrs old to actualize my potential. My goal is to be 210+ at 10% and maintain that without having to cycle again.
There are a lot of conflicting reports on the safest first cycle. Deca seems like the safest because it doesn't shut down natural test. (correct me if im wrong) It also lubes the joints and from what I hear heals and protects joint problems.
I will probably chicken out in the end but just wanted to be informed.
Is it even worth it to cycle only once or twice looking down the road? Or will I loose mass gradually and be where I would have been without the two cycles in five years? Deca does work well in older athletes, I have seen this in the short term. Test could cause hair to fall out and that is a big concern.
Sorry about the loaded question.
thanks

gococksDJS · 09-22-2005, 10:13 PM

Do not run cycles without a test base, period. Your first cycle should be something along the lines of 10 weeks of a long ester test, like enanthate or cypionate, 2 injections a week at 250mg each, so 500mg/week followed by PCT. When I did my first cycle I had the mentality that "This will be the only one" but boy did that idea go out the window quick....

LAM · 09-22-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasone

Deca seems like the safest because it doesn't shut down natural test.

all steroids effect natural test production. and when looking at AAS you have to remember that anabolics are for muscle growth and androgens for strength. any properly designed cycle will contain both elements.

deca is a heavy anabolic and with out your body producing it's own natural androgens your strength will go down the shitter on a deca only cycle. you need some form of androgen either from test or a DHT derivative, etc. in there.

jasone · 09-23-2005, 04:07 AM

Thanks for the info. This seems to be a hot topic of discussion on other boards. I thought deca like other steroids allowed the body to recover quicker by creating a positive nitrogen ballance within muscle cells. And by increasing protein synthesis the muscle grew faster because of its ability to utilize more protein.
I also thought I could keep it simple by taking one or two cycles of a mild steroid for safety. There seems to be more to it than that. Receptors, estrogen feedback, progesterone, dht conversion (i take propecia for hair loss), and many other terms like this require a chemist to be fully understood. One steroid has to counteract the other by x amout of whatever. And if x amount of whatever causes a side effect you need y amount who knows what to counteract x. You guys sure are brave to experiment.
I will keep it clean until I know for certain what I need and can predict what the result will be. It seemed like a good idea until I started reading on this topic. Becoming informed has left me confused.
But man, the temptation.... just a little extra muscle (10-20lbs) would look awesome on my frame and I'm certain that one or two mild cycles would do the trick. But loosing one hair or shot of semen would not be worth it.
thanks.

TJ Cline · 09-23-2005, 04:13 AM

Just do both...Test and Deca is my favorite cycle.
400 or 500 mg test a week stacked with 300 or 400 mg deca a week.

AS23 · 05-20-2008, 12:26 AM

what days do you take dec and which days do you test. or do you take them both on the same day

jchappj · 05-20-2008, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Do not run cycles without a test base, period. Your first cycle should be something along the lines of 10 weeks of a long ester test, like enanthate or cypionate, 2 injections a week at 250mg each, so 500mg/week followed by PCT.

This is the best advice you will get IMO.

TexanTA1996 · 05-20-2008, 08:08 AM

Stay away from deca. Test 500mg a week for 10 weeks.

bankjob · 05-20-2008, 05:14 PM

sorry to but in but i need help bad

AS23 · 05-21-2008, 01:59 PM

how about 350mg of each twce a week for your first time?

22inchpump · 05-22-2008, 10:00 AM

u asked for advice right....... here is the right answer that has already been givin ......... 2 shots of test enth a week, mon/thursday...... 500mg /week total, for 10 weeks. And then, eat eat eat eat eat.....and train train train train.....screw screw screw screw....sleep sleep sleep sleep......The end. Call us in about 13 or 14 weeks and tell us all about it! Good luck and enjoy.

**Mudge** · 05-22-2008, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AS23

how about 350mg of each twce a week for your first time?

That would be on the high side for a first timer, I don't use that much anymore myself either.

**Pirate!** · 05-22-2008, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AS23

how about 350mg of each twce a week for your first time?

That dose every 6 days would be good for a first cycle. Twice weekly is overkill.

09-22-2005, 10:09 PM	#1
jasone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 314 Photos: 6	1st cycle. test vs deca question. First of all, steroids scare but fascinate me at the same time. I am 32, strong as hell, and have been working out since 12. I have built a pretty good base to start at 205lbs 15-17%. Gains do not come as easy as they did years ago. I don't want to wait till 40 yrs old to actualize my potential. My goal is to be 210+ at 10% and maintain that without having to cycle again. There are a lot of conflicting reports on the safest first cycle. Deca seems like the safest because it doesn't shut down natural test. (correct me if im wrong) It also lubes the joints and from what I hear heals and protects joint problems. I will probably chicken out in the end but just wanted to be informed. Is it even worth it to cycle only once or twice looking down the road? Or will I loose mass gradually and be where I would have been without the two cycles in five years? Deca does work well in older athletes, I have seen this in the short term. Test could cause hair to fall out and that is a big concern. Sorry about the loaded question. thanks

09-22-2005, 10:13 PM	#2
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	Do not run cycles without a test base, period. Your first cycle should be something along the lines of 10 weeks of a long ester test, like enanthate or cypionate, 2 injections a week at 250mg each, so 500mg/week followed by PCT. When I did my first cycle I had the mentality that "This will be the only one" but boy did that idea go out the window quick....
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09-23-2005, 04:13 AM	#5
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	Just do both...Test and Deca is my favorite cycle. 400 or 500 mg test a week stacked with 300 or 400 mg deca a week.
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22inchpump Playboy Millionaire Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In my girlfriend. Posts: 646 Photos: 40	u asked for advice right....... here is the right answer that has already been givin ......... 2 shots of test enth a week, mon/thursday...... 500mg /week total, for 10 weeks. And then, eat eat eat eat eat.....and train train train train.....screw screw screw screw....sleep sleep sleep sleep......The end. Call us in about 13 or 14 weeks and tell us all about it! Good luck and enjoy.
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09-23-2005, 04:07 AM	#4
jasone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 314 Photos: 6	Thanks for the info. This seems to be a hot topic of discussion on other boards. I thought deca like other steroids allowed the body to recover quicker by creating a positive nitrogen ballance within muscle cells. And by increasing protein synthesis the muscle grew faster because of its ability to utilize more protein. I also thought I could keep it simple by taking one or two cycles of a mild steroid for safety. There seems to be more to it than that. Receptors, estrogen feedback, progesterone, dht conversion (i take propecia for hair loss), and many other terms like this require a chemist to be fully understood. One steroid has to counteract the other by x amout of whatever. And if x amount of whatever causes a side effect you need y amount who knows what to counteract x. You guys sure are brave to experiment. I will keep it clean until I know for certain what I need and can predict what the result will be. It seemed like a good idea until I started reading on this topic. Becoming informed has left me confused. But man, the temptation.... just a little extra muscle (10-20lbs) would look awesome on my frame and I'm certain that one or two mild cycles would do the trick. But loosing one hair or shot of semen would not be worth it. thanks.

05-20-2008, 12:26 AM	#6
AS23 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: North Haven, Connecticut Posts: 4 Photos: 2	what days do you take dec and which days do you test. or do you take them both on the same day

05-20-2008, 08:08 AM	#8
TexanTA1996 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: uptown Posts: 189	Stay away from deca. Test 500mg a week for 10 weeks.

05-20-2008, 05:14 PM	#9
bankjob Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: coral springs fl Posts: 2	sorry to but in but i need help bad

05-21-2008, 01:59 PM	#10
AS23 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: North Haven, Connecticut Posts: 4 Photos: 2	how about 350mg of each twce a week for your first time?

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