Thinking about starting my first cycle

JiveTurkey · 09-25-2005, 01:28 PM

I'm thinking about starting a cycle, it'd be my first so I wanted to know what you guys thought. I've done all the research and I'm comfortable with the risks involved. After doing a ton of reading and contemplating I came up with what looks like a good cycle for what I want.... Test-E 400mg/week, Winstrol Depot 50mg/every other day, Nolvadex 10mg/day. So how does this sound to every one? Any advice would be welcome.

LAM · 09-25-2005, 01:38 PM

just run the test, no need to fuck up your HDL levels for months with winstrol. winstrol is not the "great" steroid that people make it out to be, and it has no effect on fat loss

JiveTurkey · 09-25-2005, 01:49 PM

What about the Nolva? I've read that some of you guys say to use 10mg/day, is the 50mg/EOD to much?

TJ Cline · 09-25-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

What about the Nolva? I've read that some of you guys say to use 10mg/day, is the 50mg/EOD to much?

My recomendation for a first cycle:
Cycle
week 1-8 test 500mg a week ( 250mg 2X a week)
week 1-10 nol 10mg if needed.....
PCT
start 12 to 14 days after last steroid shot.
40mg nol first 3 weeks
20mg nol 4th week

Purdue Power · 09-26-2005, 12:38 AM

Running the Nolvadex on-cycle is just used if you experience any estrogen-related side effects. At 500mg of test a week, you should be fine. That being said, you still need to have the Nolva on hand, just in case. My first cycle was 500mg/week of Sust, and it went very well. I wouldn't suggest Sust, though. Go with a single ester...TestE as you have said you want to run. I jump started my cycle with dbol, but that would be entirely up to you. If you do go for an oral jumpstart, it would probably be in your best interests to run oral Turinabol(Tbol) instead.

JiveTurkey · 09-26-2005, 08:01 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. Since I'm new to this I dont know where to get any gear from, so I too will be going down to Mexico, some time in late November or early December. Any ideas on the best way to travel back and forth across the boarder, to Rosarito? If it's as bad as every one says it is I'm not going to drive my new lifted Jeep. Also, my Spanish isn't that good, I know just enough to get myself in trouble. Should I brush up on it before I go?

JiveTurkey · 09-26-2005, 09:30 PM

One more thing. Should $500 be enough to get me what I'll need?

gococksDJS · 09-26-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

One more thing. Should $500 be enough to get me what I'll need?

$500 should be way more than enough for a couple of test cycles, that is if you just run test.

Tough Old Man · 09-26-2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

What about the Nolva? I've read that some of you guys say to use 10mg/day, is the 50mg/EOD to much?

Man you have a lot to learn before you even think about gear. How's your math? If 2 days at 10mg equals 20, the how the hell did you come up with 50.
I can just see the math here in this guy. How would you all like him to fill your pins for you

JiveTurkey · 09-27-2005, 01:15 PM

Sorry, I messed up. You can totally disregard that whole last part. I don't know where I got those numbers from. Anyways, the top portion is what I had planed, but after getting some advice I'm dropping the Winstrol. So now the plan is an eight week cycle of Test-E 400mg/week and Nolva 10mg/EOD.

But yeah, you're right, my math does suck. I'm a military mechanic, I turn wrenches, not crunch numbers.

Numbers make head hurt.... AAARRRRR smash and make better.

Tough Old Man · 09-27-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

Sorry, I messed up. You can totally disregard that whole last part. I don't know where I got those numbers from. Anyways, the top portion is what I had planed, but after getting some advice I'm dropping the Winstrol. So now the plan is an eight week cycle of Test-E 400mg/week and Nolva 10mg/EOD.

But yeah, you're right, my math does suck. I'm a military mechanic, I turn wrenches, not crunch numbers.

Numbers make head hurt.... AAARRRRR smash and make better.

Ok now we are on the same page. Run the Test (AND TEST ONLY) at 500mg a week. Split it up in two doses. Sun and Wed or Mon and Thurs. 250 mgs on ea of those days. Use 10mg's of nolva thru your whole cycle. This should prevent any gyno.

PT

JiveTurkey · 09-27-2005, 02:41 PM

So what about PCT? I read that I should use HCG and Clomid to get my testes back in working order. What do you think? I came to the conclusion that HCG once every 5 days and then Clomid for the next two weeks would do a world of good. What's your take on this?

gococksDJS · 09-27-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

So what about PCT? I read that I should use HCG and Clomid to get my testes back in working order. What do you think? I came to the conclusion that HCG once every 5 days and then Clomid for the next two weeks would do a world of good. What's your take on this?

Generally, you do not want to use HCG during PCT, because the point of PCT is to restore your natural test production and get your HPTA going again. While HCG does mimic LH signaling your testis to produce testosterone, it is suppressive to your hypothalamus and pituitary gland, which is counter-productive for PCT. I have only used nolva for PCT so I can't comment on clomid, but im sure someone will help you out.

JiveTurkey · 09-27-2005, 02:45 PM

On another note. I checked out your photos and you're looking damn good. I have a problem with a fatty lower back also. I was running three miles a night for about a month strait and nothing happened. I got thinner every where else except there.

JiveTurkey · 09-27-2005, 02:48 PM

Yeah, I was thinking that using the HCG during the last week and a half of my Test cycle would take care of that. That way when I stoped using the Test I would also stop using the HCG and start on Clomid. Or should I just stick with the Nolva?

It seems that the more I read the more I think I need more gear.

Tough Old Man · 09-27-2005, 04:23 PM

2 10ml vial of Test 250 will give you enough for 10 weeks. That's all you need. Read DG806 sticky on PCT and use the Clomid if you can get your hands on it.

09-25-2005, 01:28 PM	#1
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	Thinking about starting my first cycle I'm thinking about starting a cycle, it'd be my first so I wanted to know what you guys thought. I've done all the research and I'm comfortable with the risks involved. After doing a ton of reading and contemplating I came up with what looks like a good cycle for what I want.... Test-E 400mg/week, Winstrol Depot 50mg/every other day, Nolvadex 10mg/day. So how does this sound to every one? Any advice would be welcome.

09-25-2005, 01:38 PM	#2
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	just run the test, no need to fuck up your HDL levels for months with winstrol. winstrol is not the "great" steroid that people make it out to be, and it has no effect on fat loss
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

09-26-2005, 12:38 AM	#5
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Running the Nolvadex on-cycle is just used if you experience any estrogen-related side effects. At 500mg of test a week, you should be fine. That being said, you still need to have the Nolva on hand, just in case. My first cycle was 500mg/week of Sust, and it went very well. I wouldn't suggest Sust, though. Go with a single ester...TestE as you have said you want to run. I jump started my cycle with dbol, but that would be entirely up to you. If you do go for an oral jumpstart, it would probably be in your best interests to run oral Turinabol(Tbol) instead.
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09-25-2005, 01:49 PM	#3
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	What about the Nolva? I've read that some of you guys say to use 10mg/day, is the 50mg/EOD to much?

09-26-2005, 08:01 PM	#6
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	Thanks for all the help guys. Since I'm new to this I dont know where to get any gear from, so I too will be going down to Mexico, some time in late November or early December. Any ideas on the best way to travel back and forth across the boarder, to Rosarito? If it's as bad as every one says it is I'm not going to drive my new lifted Jeep. Also, my Spanish isn't that good, I know just enough to get myself in trouble. Should I brush up on it before I go?

09-26-2005, 09:30 PM	#7
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	One more thing. Should $500 be enough to get me what I'll need?

09-27-2005, 01:15 PM	#10
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	Sorry, I messed up. You can totally disregard that whole last part. I don't know where I got those numbers from. Anyways, the top portion is what I had planed, but after getting some advice I'm dropping the Winstrol. So now the plan is an eight week cycle of Test-E 400mg/week and Nolva 10mg/EOD. But yeah, you're right, my math does suck. I'm a military mechanic, I turn wrenches, not crunch numbers. Numbers make head hurt.... AAARRRRR smash and make better.

09-27-2005, 02:41 PM	#12
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	So what about PCT? I read that I should use HCG and Clomid to get my testes back in working order. What do you think? I came to the conclusion that HCG once every 5 days and then Clomid for the next two weeks would do a world of good. What's your take on this?

09-27-2005, 02:45 PM	#14
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	On another note. I checked out your photos and you're looking damn good. I have a problem with a fatty lower back also. I was running three miles a night for about a month strait and nothing happened. I got thinner every where else except there.

09-27-2005, 02:48 PM	#15
JiveTurkey Hard Charger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carolina Posts: 77	Yeah, I was thinking that using the HCG during the last week and a half of my Test cycle would take care of that. That way when I stoped using the Test I would also stop using the HCG and start on Clomid. Or should I just stick with the Nolva? It seems that the more I read the more I think I need more gear.

09-27-2005, 04:23 PM	#16
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	2 10ml vial of Test 250 will give you enough for 10 weeks. That's all you need. Read DG806 sticky on PCT and use the Clomid if you can get your hands on it.