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Why is deca a bad first cycle?
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Also (obviously I know very little about gear) what is IMO? |
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1. Deca dick.....on an all deca cycle you will probably struggle to get it up
2. Deca is 2 or 3 times as expensive as test....and you need twice the dose to get the same results you would from test.... |
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its not the fact that deca is a poor first cycle, its that test is a better first cycle, as test generally forms a good base for all cycles/stacks, also as foreman said test is cheaper and also more effective than deca
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deca is a purely anabolic compound, if you don't take any androgens with it you can suffer from ED and your strength will also be in the shitter.
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IMO = In My Opinion
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I did a 1200mg a week deca cycle once. My strength and size made considerable gains and I suffered 0 side effects...test will give me some minor sides even at 400mg a week...
But if I did something like that cycle again I would add 300mg test a week or some Masteron. |
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i'm on the verge of dropping it from my next cycle, just because i feel it would be useful to see how i respond to test only first, and TBH i think i can add a good 20lbs of LBM with test, zest and plenty of rest alone, i don't think i need anything else to reach my targets from the cycle my main aim is to stay trim coz i added way too much fat last time round (and the time before on PH's!!), and i'll be dammed if i end up getting fat again! |
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The Damned
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I've been told deca is good for the joints, that's one of the reasons I'm taking it here soon, but I'm also stacking sust250 with it though. We will see...
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think if you already have a good base deca can help one reach a higher plateau with the least amount of side-effects. Your results may not be a good as with test but it does work. I don't speak from personal experience but I have seen first hand visible results in weeks with friends who were experienced lifters. Remember with test you are injecting cholesterol into your system. Deca is a cleaner drug and can also be effective in small amounts (400mg/wk) Of course with any drug overuse can be counterproductive.
If you feel that your body already produces high test naturally than deca would be a better choice. My test levels are probably higher than most teens. This could explain my battle with hair loss. Test would destroy my attempts to regain controls over my hair line. I doubt that deca dick would be a problem if I decided to try. At 32 I am as much of a walking hard-on today than I was in my teens. I have rededicated myself to training/diet and continue to make tremendous progress naturally. Over the past year I have gone from 20% body fat at 180 lbs to 15% at 200 lbs. Why interfere with success? If I wanted to cycle today deca would be my choice because I have natural high test. But if I waited until I was older and my test levels were low than test-e would be my choice. The answer to this question depends on the individual's chemistry. I'm hoping you experts out there can help me if I'm wrong. I myself have been wrestling with the test vs deca question. By the time I decide, I will be close to 220 at 10- 15% bf naturally. Getting big off a first cycle will not be a problem, but making these gains in a safe way with regard to hair loss and health could. Just some thoughts, thanks ![]() |
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Nobody has high test levels while running a deca only cycle, even if your natural test level is high. Deca causes complete shut-down of natual test production.
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RIP Foreman
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So as long as you're running test with deca, you should be safe on the deca dick? and also as long as you run it two weeks shorter of a cycle than test?
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Tren makes you limp...SOB...What if you run with test prop? could that counteract the tren? I am running tren/prop mix for 3 weeks at the end of my cycle. I avoid Deca b/c of the effects of libido...If I knew that tren is going to do that I would have taken EQ the whole time |
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RIP Foreman
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So if deca is so suppresive to the HPTA what is the correct PCT? Would you do anything different coming off deca then test, D-bol or anything else?
What determines how suppresive a AAS is? Why do some people get Deca dick and some don't? (obviously genetics but what part?) Srry for the mob of questions, This is just a fun post! |
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Ever steroids taken in doses high enough to create anabolism will cause complete, or very near to it, shut down. To say that 400 mg of deca is more suppressive than 400 mg of test is incorrect. Either will completely shut down your natural test production. However, deca takes longer to recover from--which is what I think many people really mean when they say it is more suppresive. Some people think deca and tren shrink their nuts more. Personally, 700 mg/week of tren doesn't put a dent in my libido, but half that dose of nandrolone (Deca) does.
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what did you stack it with....and at what dose.... |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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So how long after your last shot will deca last? I know the half life is 15 days... Is it 15 days or is it longer til it's not suppressing your system?
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RIP Foreman
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I have yet to run across any trainer or athlete who complained about deca dick or low test during deca cycle. This stuff works off estrogen side-effects. Estrogen believe it or not helps to promote growth. The trick is not to go crazy with doses. I have yet to see an athlete or trainer complain about low |