19 year old girl i know wants to do steroids....

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-04-2005, 03:39 PM

By Octopussy

Important to remember, steroids BUILD muscle, and are not for fat loss purposes. If losing some extra pounds and toning up is your goal, then there are many products out there, geared to losing weight, besides the obvious of making a change in diet and your exercise routine.

Steroids should be considered when you have worked out for at least two years or more and are at your ideal body weight. Then any gains made by the steriod use, will be pure muscle, and your hard earned money will not be wasted.

A great beginner cycle for women is Anavar. Anavar is one of the mildest anabolics out there, with low androgenic activity. It is known to increase strength and add quality muscle. Any women fearing side effects should definitely stick to Anavar. At a low dose of 5 mg everyday, most women see no ill side effects. A typical cycle should run from 6-8 weeks.

Primobolan is another mild steroid. It does not convert into estrogen, which is a plus, if water retention is a worry for you. Most women respond well to a dosage of 50-100mg per week. A typical time frame to run this would be 8-10 weeks. Some side effects to watch out for include oily skin, acne and a possible increase in facial/body hair. Primobolan will give a slow, steady increase in strength and builds quality muscle.

Winstrol can be taken orally or be injected. Winstrol should not be used for a beginner’s cycle. Most women either love winny or they hate it. It is a favorable drug to be used in a cutting cycle, when your diet is good. Winstrol builds mass and gives awesome strength gains. Side effects can occur, and things to watch out for include deepening of voice, enlarged or sensitive clitoris, and acne. Women usually take 5-10mg daily. Keeping this dose low will decrease chances of unwanted side effects. It is usually wise to split the dose up during the day, to keep blood levels on an even base. With the injection, usually 25mg every 3rd or 4th day is a normal dosing. Run this cycle for 8 weeks. Remember to take milk thistle, because this steroid is stressful on the liver.

Deca is a popular steriod among female competitors. Even though it is only slightly androgenic, sometimes virilization can be expected. Keeping the doses low and monitoring for sides can nip these unwanted sides early. Sides will include excess facial/body hair; some women on the other hand report cases of losing hair. Once again, low dosing is key. Deca is not a fast builder of muscle, but slow, gradual gainer of muscle and strength. Women should start at around 50mg per week. If virilization is at all a concern, then possibly trying the shorter acting nadrolone Durabolin might be a option.

If you must dabble in testosterone, then Test Prop should be the choice; only because it is in and out of your system fast. So if any unwanted sides appeared, all that you need to do is stop using, and it will be cleared from your system fast. It’s good to spread the injections out, generally using 25mg to 50mg per injection, every 5 to 7 days. This cycle should exceed 8 weeks. Sides to look for include clitoral enlargement; excess facial/body hair; deepening of voice; oily skin; acne; and increase sexual libido (not a bad side, really ) It is very important to monitor your self closely while using test.

Women do not need to taper on their cycles of steroids; once the cycle is over, then just discontinue use (one good benefit of not having balls). Some ladies do taper when coming off, to minimize the effect of any rebounds.
A lot of side effects brought on by anabolic steriod use is irreversible for women. Make sure you have researched and read personal testimonies before choosing your drug.

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-04-2005, 03:41 PM

I thought this was necessary b/c she is a pro and knows her sh*t, I agree w/ just about all execpt the test part.

**BritChick** · 10-04-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by cheesegrater

i think it's fucking sad when a girl as young and as naturally beautiful as she is thinks she has to take steroids to look better (assuming that's what its for). Are we really that set on shallow perfection that we drive girls to do this?

That's what you should tell her!

19 is wayyyyy too freaking young for anyone to be considering steroids - if ever.

**SJ69** · 10-04-2005, 04:13 PM

If she's gonna do it anyway at least convince her to use anavar and/or low dose deca. If this dude only has winstrol find another source.

**cheesegrater** · 10-04-2005, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by HotMom23

Lol.. is that why she wants to do winney? to drop fat?

i guess.....my buddy recommended it to her....she just called and said she wants to do it

**nikegurl** · 10-04-2005, 06:08 PM

make sure she is clear on the fact that the person who recommended it to her has no clue what he is talking about.

even if she wanted to use aas for muscle building VERY few people who know what they're talking about would point her toward winny.

(he's telling her to use the wrong thing for the entirely wrong reason.

)

i truly hope she does her homework and doesn't just take it b/c some fool told her it would "work"

**19-chief** · 10-04-2005, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by cheesegrater

i guess.....my buddy recommended it to her....she just called and said she wants to do it

your buddy's a fool... and so is this female. there are no magic bullets.

**cheesegrater** · 10-04-2005, 06:16 PM

my buddy said the guy who supplies it to him got a bunch of his girl friends on it (i'm still shocked there's many women outside freakshow bodybuilders who use it) to "lean up" and it apparently worked for them.

why can't people learn to live with their damned genetics? my buddy, i think in part because i'm somewhat cut and look good, has taken sust, clen, deca, winny, HGH, stacked a variety of them........he's about my height, maybe a bit more, weighs about 20 lbs more than me (i'm on a cut and am at about the lowest i can possibly be ~185) and it's mostly in his legs, and bench's, curl's and generally does upper body exercises at similar weights to what i do.....AND i still look miles better than him after all the crap he's put in his body.

**Tha Don** · 10-04-2005, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by CANIBALISTIC

I know how it works, thanks and I never had a problems. I always have blood work and take my large quantity of vitamins including flaxseed oil

is flaxseed better than fish oil for protecting cholesterol levels?

**LAM** · 10-04-2005, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by young d

is flaxseed better than fish oil for protecting cholesterol levels?

nope

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-04-2005, 11:12 PM

I'm not sure about the flaxseed oil but it was recommended to me from a semi-pro buddy here in So cal. Uhmmm but I do know fish oil is really good for you but for some reason I get stomach problems, which is a common problem since my operation. If I had a choice I would take fish oil over flaxseed.

**Little Wing** · 10-04-2005, 11:36 PM

show her your penis, tell her to take a nice long look... then tell her her clit is going to look just like it n that your's is the last penis she'll ever see once it does.

**cheesegrater** · 10-05-2005, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

show her your penis, tell her to take a nice long look... then tell her her clit is going to look just like it n that your's is the last penis she'll ever see once it does.

".....so ya might as well make the most of it while i'm here...."

**nikegurl** · 10-05-2005, 08:28 AM

one other thing - a woman taking aas while on "the pill" is extra ridiculous in my opinion.

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-05-2005, 08:34 AM

Virilization is the development of masculine qualities in women. Its cause is due to the high count of androgens in the body of a woman. Androgens are the cause of virilization in women.

Androgens= masculine

Deca has a higher androgen count than winstrol and isn't as anabolic as winstrol contrary to popular belief. Personally I would not recommend deca to a woman mainly because it has a higher androgen count than so many of its other alternatives.

Anavar has a lower androgen count than winstrol and is a higher anabolic but is expensive and is often counterfeits are produced and you don't want your girl to have an bag full of d-bol instead of anavar.

I think primo is the best bet with winstrol if she is trying to lean up. Primo is REALLY a mild steroid but I don't have a lot of info on it besides it was reported that Lee Preist takes it.

The only thing that bothers me about this thread is that everyone is saying "no" she will have a penis.

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-05-2005, 08:40 AM

I would like to know more about the "pill" thing though... Any resources of info?

**BCC** · 10-05-2005, 09:25 AM

If this was a guy everyone would be telling him he's a fucking idiot. Why is there any consideration given to this girl? She's an idiot.

**newbiefem** · 10-05-2005, 09:33 AM

Cheesegrater, if your friend is set on taking Winnie, please PM me, or have HER pm me. I have done my research, and Winnie was recommended to my husband by SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS FOR MY USAGE. I have read the info, and know how to take it PROPERLY, and would love to give her the info. Every steriod comes with risks, but they are magnified when taken improperly. It is quite obvious that no one on this board has any freakin clue about Winnie, they simply heard and saw some horror stories and took that as "it will happen to everyone". I am pretty sure that your friend has no interest in achieving the level of gains that the women bodybuilders taking the extreme dosing are after.

As for the rest of you, well, it's quite obvious this thread has become a haven for the propagandist scare tactics that got steroids banned in this country in the first place. Do you people do your research, or do you simply look at the women who knowingly take winnie improperly, for lack of a better term, and jump on the bandwagon that it will happen to everyone? We all know that steroids can cause gyno and "roid rage" when used improperly in men, but how often does it happen? Would Octopussy really have said that Winnie was safe if it wasn't? Get a grip on reality, for the love of god, do your research and give some actual advice, instead of abusing this forum. Winnie, according to Anabolics 2004, has an androgenic rating of 30. Deca has one of 37. What does this mean? It means that Winnie is going to have LESS virilization than Deca. It also has more than double the anabolic rating! Which means BETTER QUALITY RESULTS WITH LESS OF THE MASCULINE TRAITS. What is so hard to understand? I am on the pill. Guess what, I'M FREAKIN FINE!!!

Damnit, where is a freakin MOD when you need one? Tough Guy, where the hell are you when you're needed? And Foreman, wtf, dude, you usually have your shit together, what happened? And I'm the freakin newbie? People come here for advice, make sure you know your shit before you start slinging info, or you guys are going to cause some SERIOUS damage. Recommending DECA for a 19 yr old FEMALE who only wants to firm up, what the F&*k is wrong with you people!!!

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-05-2005, 09:40 AM

That's what I was thinking but it seems you are the only person who will agree.

**HotMom23** · 10-05-2005, 09:52 AM

The girl is 19 and is doing it for all the wrong reasons!!! She doesn't even "TRAIN". She just works out. You don't need to to roids if you want to firm up! It's called a clean diet, train hard and sleep!!!

And not everyone here on this board is against roids.. Sorry, the research on winney isn't HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for women. Especially for this 19. Yeah, low doseage is fine but there are better things for females to take out there that is less androgenic! Maybe you need to read this thread over. If anything everyone is saying not for this girl to jump the gun! This girl doesn't know anything! Maybe you did your research and you have trained for a little while but she hasn't.

**LAM** · 10-05-2005, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by newbiefem

Winnie, according to Anabolics 2004, has an androgenic rating of 30. Deca has one of 37. What does this mean? It means that Winnie is going to have LESS virilization than Deca. It also has more than double the anabolic rating!

real world results do not show that

**Little Wing** · 10-05-2005, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by newbiefem

LESS virilization

less still means a risk and really this is a 19 yr old girl who obviously is not a rocket scientist, i doubt very much she will do any significant research on her own even tho she is considering putting this shit in her body. she ought to know the risks and to most women just the thought of developing a creepy looking "male trait" will steer them clear. she's too young n looking for the wrong thing, a quick fix, carefully explaining things to her about how n why these drugs do what they do is going to go in one ear n out the other. she is already on her way to "abusing" whatever it is she decides to take you can tell that from her mind set.

**BCC** · 10-05-2005, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by newbiefem

Cheesegrater, if your friend is set on taking Winnie, please PM me, or have HER pm me. I have done my research, and Winnie was recommended to my husband by SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS FOR MY USAGE. I have read the info, and know how to take it PROPERLY, and would love to give her the info. Every steriod comes with risks, but they are magnified when taken improperly. It is quite obvious that no one on this board has any freakin clue about Winnie, they simply heard and saw some horror stories and took that as "it will happen to everyone". I am pretty sure that your friend has no interest in achieving the level of gains that the women bodybuilders taking the extreme dosing are after.

As for the rest of you, well, it's quite obvious this thread has become a haven for the propagandist scare tactics that got steroids banned in this country in the first place. Do you people do your research, or do you simply look at the women who knowingly take winnie improperly, for lack of a better term, and jump on the bandwagon that it will happen to everyone? We all know that steroids can cause gyno and "roid rage" when used improperly in men, but how often does it happen? Would Octopussy really have said that Winnie was safe if it wasn't? Get a grip on reality, for the love of god, do your research and give some actual advice, instead of abusing this forum. Winnie, according to Anabolics 2004, has an androgenic rating of 30. Deca has one of 37. What does this mean? It means that Winnie is going to have LESS virilization than Deca. It also has more than double the anabolic rating! Which means BETTER QUALITY RESULTS WITH LESS OF THE MASCULINE TRAITS. What is so hard to understand? I am on the pill. Guess what, I'M FREAKIN FINE!!!

Damnit, where is a freakin MOD when you need one? Tough Guy, where the hell are you when you're needed? And Foreman, wtf, dude, you usually have your shit together, what happened? And I'm the freakin newbie? People come here for advice, make sure you know your shit before you start slinging info, or you guys are going to cause some SERIOUS damage. Recommending DECA for a 19 yr old FEMALE who only wants to firm up, what the F&*k is wrong with you people!!!

OH MY GOD! SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS!?!?! THEY MUST KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!!

This summer I had a professional bodybuilder tell me tamoxifen was an anti-aromatase and that it does nothing to help HDL.

And Anabolics 2004, please.

Winstrol is without a doubt one of the poorest steroids used concerning health. What it does to your joints and cholesterol just aren't worth it.

**HotMom23** · 10-05-2005, 10:18 AM

Lol!!!

**TJ Cline** · 10-05-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by BCC

If this was a guy everyone would be telling him he's a fucking idiot. Why is there any consideration given to this girl? She's an idiot.

Great post!!!

Its called a double standard......
It is 10X worse for a woman of any age to take steroids then a teenage boy!

So fuck her......let her make her own mistakes and have to live with them......Total idiot.

**ihateschoolmt** · 10-05-2005, 11:25 AM

NVM.

**BCC** · 10-05-2005, 11:29 AM

What he is saying is it is a double standard and it is worse for women to take steroids.

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-05-2005, 12:51 PM

Good point. Anyhow, getting back on point their are always other methods and avenues one can take. I agree that no one should jump the gun but obviously everyone is using a scare tactic to prevent this girl from using AAS.. I also agree that their are other AAS suitable for a woman and some that are softer but winstrol shouldn't be bashed if it's based on preference but I must agree with the joints but I take it with EQ to prevent all that.

I agree 19 is way to young for a man or woman to use AAS. IT's also obvious that she is considering it and willing to use, which could also mean that it is set in stone. Which assuming this is true, she will use and if she has the intent and sources I think the next best thing to do would be to show her the best doses and what to look for.

I'm not sure what "real-world results" means but it sounds like bathroom chemistry

I would trust an educated doctor over someone w/ 90% experience & 10% actual knowledge.

**LAM** · 10-05-2005, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by CANIBALISTIC

I'm not sure what "real-world results" means but it sounds like bathroom chemistry

I would trust an educated doctor over someone w/ 90% experience & 10% actual knowledge.

you are obviously not familiar with engineering then. what is written in a book is often not what occurs in the real world, meaning under actual circumstances. saying that winstrol is more anabolic than deca is laughable. I can get testimony from hundreds AAS users that would say the exact opposite

**CANIBALISTIC** · 10-05-2005, 01:13 PM

I second that but also more androgenic which is what I was saying bud.

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