Run Nolva On Cycle Or Pct?

**Mags** · 11-02-2005, 05:48 AM

Hey guys, another dilemma question. Some people say to run nolva as simply part of PCT yet others say to use it duirng the cycle. Im guessing that they both have their benefits with this ( on cyle without nolva you will hold more water, psychologically boosting with a bigger weight increase and keeping joints etc more lubricated and supported yet using on cycle it'll hold off prone gyno etc and lead to a more accurate weight in quality muscular gain without so much water retention-although holding back water may halt alittle gain than if with it). Just want to see what you guys do/think? Cheers.

**TJ Cline** · 11-02-2005, 10:21 AM

I always run 10mg a day....keeps my water down and prevents any gyno that might occur.

**Hlanderr** · 11-02-2005, 10:54 AM

is 6 oxo a stable alternative? or any other estrogen blocker?

**TJ Cline** · 11-02-2005, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

is 6 oxo a stable alternative? or any other estrogen blocker?

http://www.ag-guys.com/store/home.php

**Hlanderr** · 11-02-2005, 12:47 PM

on a 6-week or an 8-week cycle i am going to go with Rebound XT for PCT
using nolvadex for this duration and then using a PCT wouldnt be too much estrogen blockers?

how long is the average PCT anyways.... i was planning on going 2 weeks

**TJ Cline** · 11-02-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

on a 6-week or an 8-week cycle i am going to go with Rebound XT for PCT
using nolvadex for this duration and then using a PCT wouldnt be too much estrogen blockers?

how long is the average PCT anyways.... i was planning on going 2 weeks

4 or 5 weeks..................I do 4 weeks
week
1. 60mg nol
2. 40mg nol
3. 40mg nol
4. 20mg nol

Begin 12-14 days after last shot.....if using short esters then start 6 or 7 days after last shot..

**lnvanry** · 11-02-2005, 01:59 PM

My first PCT was about 4 weeks:

100mg clomid 1-5days
50mg 6-12days
20mg nolv 13-26days.

I am thinking this time I should maybe try

100mg of clomid 1-5days
50mg 6-12
20mg nolv 1-14days

what do you guys think

??????????

**Hlanderr** · 11-02-2005, 05:27 PM

wait wait wait.... so put of PCT for about a week and a half after stopping the cycle?

or start it the day after the cycle?

**lnvanry** · 11-02-2005, 05:29 PM

defintely not the day after....your start of PCT depends on what gear you taking. You probably want to start your PCT at the half life time of whatever you were running.

**TJ Cline** · 11-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

wait wait wait.... so put of PCT for about a week and a half after stopping the cycle?

or start it the day after the cycle?

did you even read post #6

**Hlanderr** · 11-02-2005, 05:50 PM

im not going to roids.... im trying a prohormone thats oral because its my first cycle.... its a precursor to tren
that post mentions that orally taken things go for 9 hours? not sure

would this effect it? ive read many posts regarding waiting a week before PCT, but then ive seen many that go the other way.... i think...

what woud you recommend in this scenario.... im going for 6 to 8 weeks, and the last week im cycling down to half the main dose... this is even recommended by the company
by the way the product is Pharmagenx Finigenx Magnum

**Tough Old Man** · 11-02-2005, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mags

Hey guys, another dilemma question. Some people say to run nolva as simply part of PCT yet others say to use it duirng the cycle. Im guessing that they both have their benefits with this ( on cyle without nolva you will hold more water, psychologically boosting with a bigger weight increase and keeping joints etc more lubricated and supported yet using on cycle it'll hold off prone gyno etc and lead to a more accurate weight in quality muscular gain without so much water retention-although holding back water may halt alittle gain than if with it). Just want to see what you guys do/think? Cheers.

Do what Foremanrules said and run 10mg a day during cycle and use clomid for PCT. I'm sure i will get called in on this but i see no use for Nolva for PCT if you used it for preventing Gyno while on your cycle. That's why IMO use nolva during cycle to prevent gyno and Clomid for PCT.

**ag-guys** · 11-03-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mags

Hey guys, another dilemma question. Some people say to run nolva as simply part of PCT yet others say to use it duirng the cycle. Im guessing that they both have their benefits with this ( on cyle without nolva you will hold more water, psychologically boosting with a bigger weight increase and keeping joints etc more lubricated and supported yet using on cycle it'll hold off prone gyno etc and lead to a more accurate weight in quality muscular gain without so much water retention-although holding back water may halt alittle gain than if with it). Just want to see what you guys do/think? Cheers.

I would research w/ nolva PCT unless gyno symptoms occur.

thanks
AG
www.ag-guys.com

**aceshigh** · 11-03-2005, 08:09 PM

yeah ok /username

**aceshigh** · 11-03-2005, 08:11 PM

/ username

**aceshigh** · 11-03-2005, 08:11 PM

/nic

**aceshigh** · 11-03-2005, 08:12 PM

/nickname

**gococksDJS** · 11-03-2005, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

im not going to roids.... im trying a prohormone thats oral because its my first cycle....

Well it's good that you're being safe. The needle is the dangerous part anyway.

**kraziplaya** · 11-04-2005, 12:32 AM

i know i should not laugh at gockocks avator....

so wrong

**aceshigh** · 11-04-2005, 12:56 AM

aceshigh,
you are a bastard

**Northernlights8** · 11-04-2005, 07:31 PM

i started my PCT 14 days after last shot.
60mg for weeks 1-3 then 4-5 i will be using 30mg!

One more thing, if you get nolva and have it in powder form, Im warning you it will be the growest thing ever

**TJ Cline** · 11-04-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

i started my PCT 14 days after last shot.
60mg for weeks 1-3 then 4-5 i will be using 30mg!

One more thing, if you get nolva and have it in powder form, Im warning you it will be the growest thing ever

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

Hey guys im new to the site and need some info, I search everywhere and could not find what i needed to know!

Im 19 weigh 155 pounds and im 5'11"

i started working out about 4 months ago and have gained a good 10 pounds of muscle mass. I have come to the point of taking winstrol and test.

Randy

**Northernlights8** · 11-04-2005, 08:01 PM

keep talking your shit..ive gotten good results from my cycles...

go ahead and do what you want. I can care less....

yes i may be young, but i am now 20 and i can make my own decesions!

**Northernlights8** · 11-04-2005, 08:06 PM

Lets see..when i started my 1st cycle, deca only i gained about 18 pounds, then after water weight around 13!

so that brought me to 168-170.. Now i just finished my second cycle of deca and test and gained 22 pounds, which brought me to 190. Now after a few weeks off and on my nolva im down to 185 right now.

Im not braggin on my strength but i went from doing 135 on bench before 1st cycle. Now im up to 225, repping. My max was 255. In which i think is very good.

So laugh all you want, but ive seen good results from what i have done. Only side effects were a bit of acne on back, and nothing else.

Sex drive still going strong. 2x a day at least

**TJ Cline** · 11-04-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

keep talking your shit..ive gotten good results from my cycles...

go ahead and do what you want. I can care less....

yes i may be young, but i am now 20 and i can make my own decesions!

**PWGriffin** · 11-04-2005, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

keep talking your shit..ive gotten good results from my cycles...

go ahead and do what you want. I can care less....

yes i may be young, but i am now 20 and i can make my own decesions!

He wasn't talking shit....he was quoting you. Why would you start juicing after only 4 months of training anyway? When I first started training, I didn't know what the hell I was doing...I thought I did though...I've been training for over 2 years now and some would call me a dumbass for using gear so soon.

I would've never considered gear after 4 months of training. At that point I was still moving up in weight in almost every exercise on an almost weekly basis.

**LAM** · 11-04-2005, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

Lets see..when i started my 1st cycle, deca only i gained about 18 pounds, then after water weight around 13!

so that brought me to 168-170.. Now i just finished my second cycle of deca and test and gained 22 pounds, which brought me to 190. Now after a few weeks off and on my nolva im down to 185 right now.

Im not braggin on my strength but i went from doing 135 on bench before 1st cycle. Now im up to 225, repping. My max was 255. In which i think is very good.

So laugh all you want, but ive seen good results from what i have done. Only side effects were a bit of acne on back, and nothing else.

Sex drive still going strong. 2x a day at least

you are a lazy bastard plain and simple, using gear are your level is rediculous. all of the above gains could have easily been acomplished naturally. it's pretty fucking sad if you need to use gear to get to 170 lbs

**Northernlights8** · 11-04-2005, 09:57 PM

sorry that i never had meat on my bones and was always a skinny kid growing up...i weighed no more than 140 pounds when i started working out... gained 15 from eating and workign out..

yes i was very impatient and i was around roids and could very easily get it. so why not get it at a good price instead of waiting..

yea i may be crazy, but thats who i am.. I live life the EXCITING way instead of being a pussy like most people!

**TJ Cline** · 11-04-2005, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

sorry that i never had meat on my bones and was always a skinny kid growing up...i weighed no more than 140 pounds when i started working out... gained 15 from eating and workign out..

yes i was very impatient and i was around roids and could very easily get it. so why not get it at a good price instead of waiting..

yea i may be crazy, but thats who i am.. I live life the EXCITING way instead of being a pussy like most people!

Don't kid yourself.....you are a pussy

**LAM** · 11-04-2005, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Northernlights8

sorry that i never had meat on my bones and was always a skinny kid growing up...i weighed no more than 140 pounds when i started working out

I was less than 140 when I started working out. I made it to 250 lbs w/o steroids or prohormones but it also took me 20+ years of training naturally.

you will never be able to train naturally. I guarantee you won't be working out in 10 years. you have no idea what a REAL training plateau is like

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