alaa

Hello every one , I just started my first cycle yesterday Sustanon only !
I have been reading for a year now and every time I read more I get more confused .
A friend is saying that I should stack Sustanon & Deca ... in the Internet a lot of people are saying that for the first cycle I should only use (Sustanon) without stacking, another reason that why I don't want to use deca is ,I have to buy it from a source but the Sustanon is sold here legally.

basically I was planning to get Sustanon /250mg a week like this:
Week SUSTANON CLOMID
mg/week mg/day
1 250 -
2 250 -
3 250 -
4 500 -
5 500 -
6 250 -
7 250 -
8 250 -
9 - 50
10 - 50

but after reading a while many people say I should go 500/mg a week like this
Week SUSTANON CLOMID
mg/week mg/day
1 500 -
2 500 -
3 500 -
4 500 -
5 500 -
6 500 -
7 500 -
8 500 -
9 - 50
10 - 50

So every Wednesday & Sunday I will shot my self with 250/mg (yesterday was the Wednesday in the cycle)

Good so far ? 500mg/week is ok ?

my main confusion is about PCT , I understand CLOMID good ,but what about HCG ? is it that important in PCT?

I'm 27 years old / 5'8/ 78 K

Thanx in advance

ihateschoolmt

78kg? How long have you been working out? A lot of people are going to tell you to add more mass naturally.

TJ Cline

Week 1-8: 250mg 2x a week......total of 500mg per week.


12 days after last shot PCT
week
1. 60mg Nolvadex
2. 40mg Nolvadex
3. 40mg Nolvadex
4. 20mg Nolvadex

TJ Cline

Nice first post by the way

TJ Cline

You dont need HCG

TJ Cline

When do they ever listen to this good advice??

ag-guys

He makes a good point, he needs more mass.

AG
www.ag-guys.com

alaa

Thanx for the quick reply ForemanRules, I watched the forums for a while and I was surprise that u didn’t commit at my weight at first, as I noticed that form your response to other threads , but ihateschoolmt had to rise this up so u comment at it .

Any way ,I will properly will never do steroids again (it’s just not for me) . I’m a good gainer by natural (I have added about 7 k in the last 70 days ). My 78k is hard earned of hard muscles. I have been lifting on and off from 16 ,but I always gave up at this point and set in the lazy mode and loose all the gain in the next 6 months then I will start over again and so on. So 78k is psychological barrier and I need to break it.

ForemanRules , why u think it’s a bad idea for a 78k guy to do steroids ,but not for a guy at 90k ? what more a 90k guy would add ?I mean he is already a big guy …

If I can add 12k to my 78k and weight up to 90k I will be like a new guy , and this will push me to workout my way to reach the 100k . After the 100k(my 6-8 months goal) ,I don’t know why you want to use steroids ?

I have to agree that it would be better to achieve 85k and then use steroids ,but because of the plenty of time that I have now, I have decided to start my cycle now.
Any way I’m now cycling now … wish me luck everyone …I will keep you posted…maybe even some pictures.

Stu

just plan enanthate or cyp would of been better but you've started now and to be honest it could be alot worse. Good luck

Tough Old Man

160 lbs and started his first cycle. What a pussy. The reason i say this is that you are obviously afraid of hard work. You want to try and take the easy road out. All you needed was a good diet and some hard training and could have got you weight up to 180 lbs with no problem. It people like you that ended up making gear illegal.
Ok now that you have already started things pussy, there's no reason to taper up and down. Jus tdo 500mgs /ew for 8-10 weeks. Check your B/P and make sure you have everything you need for PCT.

Here's a little story for you. When I was 21 I started lifting. I weighed 183 lbs. I continued lifting naturally for the next 6.5 years. I ate untilo i was sick everyday. They day I started taking gear I weighed 265 lbs. Now that's how you supposed to do it. Not take the easy way out. I couldn't put on another Lb. I then used gear for the next 7 years and upped my weight to 340 lbs. During those first 6.5 years of lifting , i lifted and it wasn't on and off, it was on 5-6 days a week.
You have to hit your potential and then if you choose hit the chuck wagon of gear, hit it and hit it good. Your body is like a credit card. It has good interest and you don't use another until the first one has reached it's peak. You don't use steroids either until your body has reached it's peak.

Sorry If i'm hard on you but you guys need to learn and sometimes the only way is like Foremanrules says, "what do I have to do, hit you upside your head with a dumbell.

One last note: I think the last thing you should do is listen to a lot of your young friends. Your better off posting here and asking a question before you do something and criticism may come with it, but it better to be criticised and learn something then end up with some terrible injury, sickness or even something worst. Look in training you have people like Cowpimp, Gopro, P-funk and in anabolics you have people like Mudge, DG806 and Lam and all of these have lots of experience and will tell you the right thing to do or not to do.

Tough

Inspc._Injector

Yeah but you gotta take sust every other day to get the benefits of the propionate ester. So take like 125mg every other day, that should total 500mg a week.

Next time just go with cyp or en, preferably en. I've used sust before and I was satisfied but I injected every five days and the gains werent as good as what I could of got from enanthate. So either take it every other day or take enanthate twice a week, your choice.

PWGriffin

I started a little early myself...being between 170 and 180...I was kinda pressured into it by gym buddies and knew very little about gear besides what they told me...what I did find though is when I had something like gear invested in myself I took it a lot more seriously and ate the house and lifted much more consistently with much more intensity and focus...now I know how to diet because of that experience and know what it takes for my body to grow the way I want it...I'm not saying just anybody should try it regardless of their knowledge or experience, but I myself, thankfully didn't get hurt and now am much more knowledge on the subject than I would have had otherwise...wish me luck cuz I plan to step on stage between '06 and '08, I'll surely put some pics up when I do too..

Tough Old Man

Good luck

Tough Old Man

No you don't... I took Sust only on my first cycle with great results. I only injected 2 x a week. Sun and Wed. It only contains 1 short ester prop with the smallest amount of mgs @ only 30. It has two med's both being 60 mgs and 1 long ester being 100 mgs. I do agree that every 3 days may be optimum, but EOD is not necessary.

The big guy

The real premise of the short, med, and long was and this is old school is that the short kicks in and the medium after that and then the long ester and then another shot a week or so later, so the reasoning of the prop eod does not really apply. think about it...You get the iniatial kick fron the prop and the med, and when that after that the long.

PWGriffin

Some people say they have seen studies that say that EOD is neccessary for good blood levels, and once a week won't cut I know from experience cuz that's what I'm doing right now...at the time that I got it I didn't know a whole lot about it and didn't really have the funds to get another sust kit...so I'm taking 300mg deca and 250mg sust every week and gains are coming but around this time my first cycle I noticed a drastic strength and weight increase around weeks 6 and on...which I'm not really seeing this time around...the "initial kick" from the prop doesn't do shit...it's only what 30mgs?? and it falls off completely before the next shot if ur not injecting at least twice a week...I've been relatively successful with this cycle so far only because my training split is solid and consistent, I eat as much as I possibly can...and I keep a log of every weight and rep and fight to beat it every week...

The big guy

I personally don't think think it is as great as people say, I been using it for close to 20 yrs. and I would rather use Cyp of Ent.

Tough Old Man

Amen Big "E"

PWGriffin

yeah no kiddin...if it was cheaper and more economical to go into a cycle with 3 kits it would be different...u know some books (anabolics 2005 for one IIRC) are basically saying it's overrated and overpriced...and is quoted as saying..."it's a blend of 4 different esters, a great selling point to the naive customer"

I already bought it before I found all this out.....*sigh* such is life

alaa

Tough Old Man, First I’m 175 lb and not 160 lb . I was very weak in natural, I think that because my natural height development was continued to late age 22-23. I was 55 Kg only at 17 . At that time I have super commitment to lifting weight , I was hardly growing at 1 kg for 3-4 months of hard workout. I had no chest at all and my bones were very visible .No matter what I ate ,most of the food will be for my bones to develop my height (may be not!). From 17-27 I was able to change my body from 55 Kg to 80 Kg .

Tough Old Man, you pre-judge people you don’t know any thing about them ,Also you develop your own theory about when & who should use Steroids. I’m sorry but your mind is playing tricks on you because of your addiction to Steroids, it’s trying to convince you that it’s ok for you to take Steroids. Your brain is not a doctor and Steroids is indeed a very dangerous drugs. Viewing your pervious threads, you’re pretty much living on steroids. Now ,who is the abuser of the drug ? Me , a first timer or you the addict ?

Please ,clear a point for me , you’re saying that it’s ok to take steroids to overcome /overload your natural & genetic body ability (your case) , but it’s very wrong to use steroids to speed the process of building the body(my case). Give me one medical research showing that !. And if it’s so ok for you to take steroids why bother your self by doing PCT ?

You’re saying that you can’t add any more pound and that what let you use steroids , you’re a big guy already , why would you risk taking suck drug especially when you’re at 53 years old !!!. Just by looking at your gallery , you don’t need to get big , you need to shape your body, you have a missed up body shape. I can’t see your chest & your hand is way under develop compare to your back.

After I finish my cycle I will spend the next 6 months ,shaping my body.

Man , I know that I’m NOT making the smarter decision by using steroids, for me as I said, it will be one time only . I hope that you realize that are the oldest steroids addict in the net !.

Also , I was already started my cycle … your comment has a bad timing . Please guys ,advise people when they are off cycling ,and when they cycling just wish them luck.

Inspc._Injector , it very hard to take your advise ,but you are right, SUSTANON should be taking every other day. I doing it twice a week.

PWGriffin, this what exactly what let me do try my first cycle.

I will post my pictureS today & some more tomorrow .

Good Luck …every one..

Pirate!

You need a better pct. I used sustanon, and got blood work 4 months later that showed my test level was still 1052 mg/dl. This means that it takes a long time for the test to clear and allow proper recovery. Sustanon is a bad choice, but if you are going to use it, use HCG on cycle (about 500 iu/week, starting 4 weeks in), and run your pct for atleast 6 weeks. Your pct should use a SERM, preferably tamoxifen or raloxifene and an AI--Aromasin being ideal, but Arimidex being second in line. Watch you form, as it is easy to hurt yourself with the rapid strength gains you will get. Good luck.

My 1-Andro RX Journal

Inspc._Injector

You are right that you can truly take it every three days, but propionate is done after 34-36 hours, so eod would be optimum. Honestly though, I'd rather just inject enanthate twice or week or propionate every day if I'm gonna take test.

Tough Old Man

What the hell does this mean. Let me tell you something. I probably have the largest and one of the strongest grips on this site, My hand is 8 3/8" long x 5" wide. You call that Under developed.

Ok now I must also apologize as I miss read you age. When I first responded I was thinking you were 19 for some reason. I still think you could put on more mass before you take a trip into the twilight zone of roids.

This pic is as close as your going to get without paying



Tough

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alaa

Tough Old Man, I’m almost 28 .For the body mass matter, I’m not disagreeing with this point. But we are talking about a cycling ,my live is like everybody else live ,it’s complex and now in my only window . I will have to do a lot of business trips after a couple of months and that will be my life style for the next year. It will be very difficult to carry my gear on the flights ! . And my fear is I will stop workout altogether.

Now , I have a full access to medical care (I buy my gear from the pharmacy and take my shots in the hospital ) a luxury that I will not have after that.

I’m 5.7 ( 174 cm , I converted it wrong in the start) .

Your attention is good if you’re trying to stop teenager from using steroids. Taking steroids for a teenager could stop his potential growth . But if you going to use words like pussy, idiot & stupid you’re going to convince none of them.

For the apologize , apologize accepted.

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Now guys , my next shot of sust will be after 48 hours , a lot here giving me bad news about the sust. Should I stack any thing with it ? (any thing sold in a pharmacy is accessible )

HCG , it may be kind of difficult to shot it (I will be in trips) , how important is it. The HCG subject is very controversial , as from my understanding that it’s a NOT PCT ,right ?

Last question , I can’t see a lot of fat in my body , but should I watch my eating now ,or just worry about the fat after cycling.

Tough Old Man

It's your first cycle and there's no need to stack. Just use it at 500mgs a week split whatever way you choose. I think twice a week would be fine as that's the way i did it and the results were good. As much as I hate to say this, you could stack it with 25 mgs of D-bol a day for 3-4 weeks. You'll have to watch you blood pressure and make sure you have nolva on hand in the event that gyno flares up. Also make sure you have what's needed for PCT. You will only need the HCG if your balls start to disappear


Tough

Tha Don

dear oh dear!

PWGriffin

Never thought I'd see the day where TOM would apologize for something he said...I mean, he wasn't anymore blunt than he usually is heh

The big guy

Hey PT, you know what they say about hand size...lol

Bazooka Tooth

Tough, you can start helping again? How'd the job go? I havent been on in a while, but good to see you are posting some tips...ect

Tough Old Man

As my sig reads tell it like it is. If you make a mistake then why not say hey I fucked up. I have no problem dishing it out and if I'm wrong, I'm also man enough to take the critizism back.

For some reason I was thinking this thread starter was 19 years old not 28. there's a big difference as what can happen to the endo system if using anabolics to young. So my first statements were directed at a 19 year old which made me wrong. So I have to be a man and stand up and say I made a mistake.

Know after saying that, I still believe he needs to put on more mass before using the gear. He claims that time (his job) is going to take this away from him. what he fails to realise is that he's only still 28 and if he can't use gear until he's 30, so fucking what. At 28 time is on your side.