Thread: Well the worst has happened, I think I'm infected.

Originally Posted by huesoloco

Well its no longer red, but the swollen part is hard as a rock. Dont know what that means...and why argue about doing something when it's already done?

He's right. Why wax intellectual about whether he should or shouldn't when it's already in him at this point. That's like telling a kid who wrecked the family car that he should have never driven it in snowy conditions for three hours when it doesn't change the situation. Figuring how the kid is gonna pay for the increase in insurance premiums, and helping him with safer driving techniques, seems more productive. The sad fact is as much as it is said not to start until a laster age, there probably isn't a single guy in pro competition that DIDN'T start before age 20...

The claim you presented seems ridiculous considering the number of people who used at 20 (and before, some much younger) who suffer no discernable psychological problems. I have never once seen this documented in medical literature as a problem. Did you get this off of the FDA website or some other site full of propaganda?

What you stated is on par with the claim of "roid rage" being a serious concern with steroids.

Additionally, the common "mess up your endocrine system" is just as valid at 20 as it is at 30. Medical and anecdotal evidence confirm this.

By the way, the paragraph worth of smiley's really showed the strength of your argument and maturity, gee, I'm really convinced now.

Originally Posted by luke69duke69

He's right. Why wax intellectual about whether he should or shouldn't when it's already in him at this point. That's like telling a kid who wrecked the family car that he should have never driven it in snowy conditions for three hours when it doesn't change the situation. Figuring how the kid is gonna pay for the increase in insurance premiums, and helping him with safer driving techniques, seems more productive. The sad fact is as much as it is said not to start until a laster age, there probably isn't a single guy in pro competition that DIDN'T start before age 20...

Oh, because continuing after it started means it won't get any worse?

Originally Posted by brogers

The claim you presented seems ridiculous considering the number of people who used at 20 (and before, some much younger) who suffer no discernable psychological problems. I have never once seen this documented in medical literature as a problem. Did you get this off of the FDA website or some other site full of propaganda?

What you stated is on par with the claim of "roid rage" being a serious concern with steroids.

Additionally, the common "mess up your endocrine system" is just as valid at 20 as it is at 30. Medical and anecdotal evidence confirm this.

By the way, the paragraph worth of smiley's really showed the strength of your argument and maturity, gee, I'm really convinced now.

No, came out of several issues of Muscular Development, none of their summaries came from government funded studies.

Believe what you will, doesn't matter to me. I'm just putting out the facts I've read, what you do with it is your own matter.

And the smilies are because what you said made me laugh, so I used them.

If substances like steroids mess with your brain development, I'm sure alcohol doesn't help either. Nor marijuana, nor any prescription psychoactive drugs such as adderall or ritallin or any anti depressents. I remember reading about a german or english study, one of the two linking increased suicide rates among children under the age of 20 that were taking paxil. I think my question is how much more development takes place? I mean it's like an engine that you program to run at a higher RPM before the rev limiter kicks in. You have to weigh the horsepower increases to the risk of detonation occuring. That's more of what someone needs to ask. If the risk to them is worth the reward, then do it. If it isn't then don't. BUT ALWAYS RESEARCH FIRST!!! Myself, I've always been a risk taker and I've gotten burned for it a few times in the past and I don't regret it because it was my decision. My regret most of the time is that I should have researched something more before coming to a decision. If you regret something, then you didn't think it through in the first place. Those kind of things I regret, like the DUI I got because of not thinking about the consequences as I downed another shot on an empty stomach back in February, not whether I should have invested this in that mutual fund or which tree stand to hunt in when my cousin gets a deer at the spot my stand was at last year and I decided to go to a different stand kind of shit. You make your decisions. No one put a gun to your head and said "Inject this into your quad!" I think a lot of things like roid rage and depression are dependent on how the person is to begin with. I could probably shoot a gram of test a week and throw some tren in there and not get into fights with trees. I'm simply a laid back person. I also expect to see some strength losses when I go off of it and some weight loss so I don't get depressed about it or let it bother me I just remember in the back of my head, "You know this happens every time" I go through PCT and recoup and keep lifting. This thread is getting off topic in a hurry and I'm not helping..

Originally Posted by musclepump

No, came out of several issues of Muscular Development, none of their summaries came from government funded studies.

Believe what you will, doesn't matter to me. I'm just putting out the facts I've read, what you do with it is your own matter.

And the smilies are because what you said made me laugh, so I used them.

Yeah my bad, I get my info from the NEJM, not MD, you must be correct.

Originally Posted by brogers

Yeah my bad, I get my info from the NEJM, not MD, you must be correct.

Where do you think MD gets their studies?

Idiot.

Anyways, I injected in the other delt and the same thing is happening, so i think the sustanon is not that great for the delts. But at least i can lift in peace now.