cycle update (for anyone who is interested)

Tha Don · 11-30-2005, 07:46 PM

well i'm on week 6 right now i think, if anyone read my last update you'd be aware that i'd dropped the dbol and eq (in week 3), and dropped my test dose down to 250mg/wk, adding in anavar and hcg shots

well, i took my last test shot last week (so came off the test week 5), so by next week (week 7) the shots should have pretty much cleared out, i'm going to be doing my final hcg shot tomorrow, my balls are a very nice size already, glad i decided to run it! i'm currently on my 2nd week of the anavar, i'm planning to run it for 2 more weeks, then come off completely, so all in all it will be an 8 weeker, although a pretty rare one at that, i would have kept on the test for another week or 2, but i'm real paranoid about the gyno right now, i dropped down to 20mg ED this week, and i feel like it has got worse again!! maybe its in my head, maybe its from the hcg, who knows, but i've dropped 60mg today, and i'll stick with 40mg ED for the rest of the cycle, and well i'll still be on the nolva pct too! so i'm praying that will help clear it

right now progress is very good, i'm very strong considering i'm cutting, BF is back down to 13.5% (it was 13% at the start of the cycle, so nearly there!) but before my cycle i was 180lbs, now i'm 187lbs

so its looking like i'm going to be left with a nice 5-6lbs solid muscle gain from this cycle, so its not all that bad i guess, although i was hoping for more, i'll just be glad to see the gyno go, and get back to good health

i'm also running lipo6, which is great stuff by the way, i don't know how i'd get through dieting without it! and i'm applying some lipoderm ultra i had left over to my nipples in an attempt to help shift that damm gyno!

probably going to take a long break from AAS after this, eventually i'd like to cycle again, maybe something like primo and var with a low dose of test, but i'm certainly not going to be in any hurry to jump back on, its been a great experience anyway

alaa · 11-30-2005, 08:02 PM

I'm sorry about your gyno problem. BF is not bad at all ,but 7lb only on 6 weeks cycle .that doesn't sounds right to me. at your age you should be able to add that much without any AAS.
any one disagree ?

BuzzU · 11-30-2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alaa

I'm sorry about your gyno problem. BF is not bad at all ,but 7lb only on 6 weeks cycle .that doesn't sounds right to me. at your age you should be able to add that much without any AAS.
any one disagree ?

A person can add 7lbs of lean body mass w/o any help in 6 weeks. Right....

gococksDJS · 11-30-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuzzU

A person can add 7lbs of lean body mass w/o any help in 6 weeks. Right....

maybe someone new to lifting but not someone who has been training correctly for a number of years.

BuzzU · 11-30-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

maybe someone new to lifting but not someone who has been training correctly for a number of years.

Yeah, I was talking about for the starter of this thread, who is experienced. Should have stated that in my initial post I guess.

alaa · 11-30-2005, 08:32 PM

I'm cycling now , before that I was able to add about 7 kg (15 lb) in 70 days or so.

Tha Don · 11-30-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alaa

I'm cycling now , before that I was able to add about 7 kg (15 lb) in 70 days or so.

so you were gaining 1.5lbs a week, then decided to hop onto a cycle after 2 months of training? if i could gain 1.5lbs a lean mass a week without steroids i wouldn't be touching them! likewise if i'd only been training for 2 months! i've been lifting since i was 15 bro

**Pirate!** · 11-30-2005, 10:06 PM

Are you using an AI, young d? Dbol leaves a lot of estrodiol lying around, which contributes fat and gyno--so I've read...

alaa · 11-30-2005, 10:19 PM

I'm 27 now ,I started lifting around 17. I'm in my first cycle now ,my first week was 4 kg (9 lb) of gain . don't get me wrong bro , I was just thinking that the gear was fake or something.
I remember now , when I was 21 I was hard gainer too, that because (I think) the body is doing finalize works in your growth.a lot of people think that growth will stop at 18 ,but I think it will go to at least 23-24.

Tha Don · 12-01-2005, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Are you using an AI, young d? Dbol leaves a lot of estrodiol lying around, which contributes fat and gyno--so I've read...

no i dropped it and just went sky high with the nolva for a couple of weeks, i'm just on nolva only right now, i did really really dry out when i banged the nolva in

it could have just been increased vascularity from the EQ too which made me look even drier, i left about a week overlap of adex and nolva together, i'll just stay on the nolva now

funny you say that about dbol, somewhere i remember hearing that dbol is fine for a kickstart, but bad for a rearload, as it lingers/inhibits recovery or something.. i couldn't remember where i'd read it, but i think they were talking about the same thing you were

**Pirate!** · 12-01-2005, 08:07 AM

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New findings in post-cycle therapy
THe role of glucocorticoids
posted by Bigcat..cutting edge muscle

The GnRH gene contains a glucocorticoid response element (1), which suggest that glucocorticoids have a direct regulatory function on GnRH expression in the hypothalamus. Chandran et al (2) demonstrated that dexamethasone had a direct supressive effect in GnRH release.

Testosterone and DHT are known to inhibit HPTA by slowing GnRH pulse in the hypothalamus. In a rat study (3) castrated and adrenolectomized rats saw a huge increase in LH and FSH secretion. Simply adding testosterone however did not stop the rise in gonadotrophins. only when corticosterone was added did testosterone resume its inhibitory functions. However testosterone had no effect on glucocorticoid mediated GnRH supression (4), which suggest that corticosteroids are inhibitory at the pituitary level as well, quite possibly by reducing pituitary sensitivity to GnRH.

This was confirmed by Kubajak and Kamel (5) who found that corticosterone had no effect with maximal concentrations of testosterone, but augmented the inhibitory effect on LH release in the presence of lower levels of testosterone. This would also warn those against jumping to conclusions that testosterone might not be supressive if no glucocorticoids are present, since maximal levels of T supressed LH maximally as well.

This all taken together suggest the need for glucocorticoid control in the PCT if we want to achieve maximal recovery. In the first place we can do this by avoiding the use of 17AA steroids near the end of a cycle. It has been shown that several 17AA steroids including stanozolol, danazol and methyltestosterone, but not fluoxymesterone or metribolone, can upregulate GR expression (6). Potent short-acting androgens however may be the best way to finish a cycle. Short-acting, to avoid lingering supression from androgens that won't clear the body fast enough, and potent because it has been demonstrated that AR activation in the adrenocortical cells inhibits their growth and steroidogenisis. (7). Lastly I may have finally found a reason to use those pesky arginine supplements the market was swarmed with just a short while ago, (8,9), since there is evidence that nitric oxide can inhibit glucocorticoid action by reducing binding to the GR. This may actually be a wiser choice than searching for a competitive GR inhibitor, since such inhibitors invariably show some affinity for androgen and progesterone receptors as well.

The conclusion is that some form of glucocorticoid control is necessary during PCT, and that there is some evidence that even Glucocorticoid managemen on-cycle can reduce problems post-cycle, likely the reason oxandrolone for instance tends to allow people to bounce back faster than for example stanozolol or Dbol...

Dbol's conversion to estrodiol is a different issue than the not rearloading issue.

ag-guys · 12-01-2005, 10:51 AM

Gyno issues can be fixed by nolva if early enough

the cycle is interesting.

AG
www.ag-guys.com

FishOrCutBait · 12-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Wait, wait, wait. You started A CUTTER with EQ? LOL, you must have been STARVING!!!

gococksDJS · 12-01-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

Wait, wait, wait. You started A CUTTER with EQ? LOL, you must have been STARVING!!!

Appetite increase due to EQ is fairly minimal for a lot of people. I believe Mudge has stated that it did nothing for his appetite. It did make me more hungry for about a week and a half or so but after that there was no noticeable difference.

11-30-2005, 07:46 PM	#1
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	cycle update (for anyone who is interested) well i'm on week 6 right now i think, if anyone read my last update you'd be aware that i'd dropped the dbol and eq (in week 3), and dropped my test dose down to 250mg/wk, adding in anavar and hcg shots well, i took my last test shot last week (so came off the test week 5), so by next week (week 7) the shots should have pretty much cleared out, i'm going to be doing my final hcg shot tomorrow, my balls are a very nice size already, glad i decided to run it! i'm currently on my 2nd week of the anavar, i'm planning to run it for 2 more weeks, then come off completely, so all in all it will be an 8 weeker, although a pretty rare one at that, i would have kept on the test for another week or 2, but i'm real paranoid about the gyno right now, i dropped down to 20mg ED this week, and i feel like it has got worse again!! maybe its in my head, maybe its from the hcg, who knows, but i've dropped 60mg today, and i'll stick with 40mg ED for the rest of the cycle, and well i'll still be on the nolva pct too! so i'm praying that will help clear it right now progress is very good, i'm very strong considering i'm cutting, BF is back down to 13.5% (it was 13% at the start of the cycle, so nearly there!) but before my cycle i was 180lbs, now i'm 187lbs so its looking like i'm going to be left with a nice 5-6lbs solid muscle gain from this cycle, so its not all that bad i guess, although i was hoping for more, i'll just be glad to see the gyno go, and get back to good health i'm also running lipo6, which is great stuff by the way, i don't know how i'd get through dieting without it! and i'm applying some lipoderm ultra i had left over to my nipples in an attempt to help shift that damm gyno! probably going to take a long break from AAS after this, eventually i'd like to cycle again, maybe something like primo and var with a low dose of test, but i'm certainly not going to be in any hurry to jump back on, its been a great experience anyway

11-30-2005, 10:06 PM	#8
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12-01-2005, 10:58 PM	#13
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11-30-2005, 08:02 PM	#2
alaa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21	I'm sorry about your gyno problem. BF is not bad at all ,but 7lb only on 6 weeks cycle .that doesn't sounds right to me. at your age you should be able to add that much without any AAS. any one disagree ?

11-30-2005, 08:32 PM	#6
alaa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21	I'm cycling now , before that I was able to add about 7 kg (15 lb) in 70 days or so.

11-30-2005, 10:19 PM	#9
alaa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21	I'm 27 now ,I started lifting around 17. I'm in my first cycle now ,my first week was 4 kg (9 lb) of gain . don't get me wrong bro , I was just thinking that the gear was fake or something. I remember now , when I was 21 I was hard gainer too, that because (I think) the body is doing finalize works in your growth.a lot of people think that growth will stop at 18 ,but I think it will go to at least 23-24.

12-01-2005, 10:51 AM	#12
ag-guys Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 403	Gyno issues can be fixed by nolva if early enough the cycle is interesting. AG www.ag-guys.com