OmarJackson

guys,

what is the best pin for delt injections? I plan on injecting 2cc's a week of test enan in there. also, since i've never injected before should i split up the dosage and do 1cc 2x a week rather than 2cc once a week, just to be sure that my delts can take that much volume.

btw, i'm gonna be doing test enan 500mg/week for 15 weeks. this would be my first REAL cycle. should i include any orals or just go with the test by itself. i have some stuff leftover from before i got a source, m1t, DMT (ergomax), superdrol, 1ad.... what do you guys think? throw in one of those, or get some dbol, or just do the test by itself.

thanks.

capinatl

You could throw another compound in of your choice, since you are just running test anything will compliment it.

You could do 2 shots per wk but it really won't make much difference. I split up my shots, for what that's worth. Good luck and keep us updated.

largepkg

Yes! Shoot twice per week. It does make a difference with blood level stability. Also, if this is your first cycle you should stick with test only. See how you respond to this first and the next cycle you can add another compound. You should gain very nicely on test only if it's your first cycle.

You should consider dropping the cycle to 10-12 weeks as well. There is no reason to push the envelope so early.

Tough Old Man

I wouldn't listen to anyone who tells you to throw another compound in there for you first real cycle. That just there ignorance on the proper use of gear. Also I'd cut it down to 10-12 weeks and inject 1 cc twice a week. For delts use a 25 x 1" pin. should be painless. Make sure you have everything needed for PCT before you start. Remember pct counts as part of your cycle.

Tough

w00kie

Like Tough said, just stick with Test E 500mg week for 10-12 weeks and you'll be fine. Just have Novla and clomid on hand for gyno and for pct.

TJ Cline

15 weeks for a first, second or third cycle is just stupid


10 weeks 250mg test every 3.5 days.....and proper pct

capinatl

I find that inappropriate, Tough. If you desire to post an alternate opinion than I, just do so and keep it at that.

I did tren and sust for my first cycle. It lasted 8 wks. This was in 2002 when I was 34 years old. None of those decisions were "ignorant".

TJ Cline

I agree with Tough 100% and so do most of the experianced members.
What you did was not ignorant but it was not the best first cycle choice.

Tough Old Man

Ok i back track a little and be a little nicer. IMO you were wrong to have cycled Test and tren on a first cycle.

Would you like to know why a first cycle should be one compound only or do you know. I guess if you knew you would have done just one. But if you know go ahead and answere. If you don't then i'll answere it for you.


Tough

capinatl

I'm not debating the one or two compound theory, just pointing out the approach in your post as inappropriate.

Not that big of a deal to hijack the thread. Sorry.

Tough Old Man

old age has set in lately and my post have been really nice. Should have seen them a month or two ago. Now leave me alone as I have a lot of reading to do on anabolic steroids because there is a need for good advice on this forum vs. bad advise.

TJ Cline

Dude I don't see the point of your crying...

Get over it, you were wrong in your first cycle and your advice to the poster was really shitty......now move on and quit acting like a little baby.

OmarJackson

i think that capinatl was just telling me that i COULD add another compound to my cycle, because test is stackable with pretty much everything, i don't think he was neccessarily telling me to do so... i appreciate the help though.

plus, i don't think you can say someone was WRONG in doing a cycle. you could say that they were ill-advised or made an unwise choice, but these things are personal decisions after all.

i'm almost sure i'll do just test for my first cycle anyway

foremanRules,
i don't see why you say that going beyond 10 weeks is stupid. your gonna be shut down anyway after that time, might as well stay on longer and solidify those gains. am i wrong?

Tough Old Man

Your wrong. The longer your on the harder and longer to recover. This is why Foreman said what he did.

I'll add this to. Heard time on equals time off. So if you do a cycle for 15 weeks, then wait 3 weeks for PCT and then stay on it for 3-4 weeks which is all part of that cycle, your looking at taking off 21 or more weeks after the completion of PCT before you cycle again. People who use gear find it hard to stay off that long once they jump into the gear hotel.

TJ Cline

Bro I have done 25+ cycles and I can tell you every day over 8 weeks you go the more you will be shut down. I almost never do more than 8 week cycles and I hit a 550 raw bench and cold 19.75 inch arms doing that. So do the 15 weeker if you want, but I guarantee you it will give you no more gains than a 8-10 week cycle....and it will shut you down twice as long no matter what you do for pct.

Tough Old Man

I think we are spinning our wheels with these guys. Experience doesn't mean shit to them. They just get on and post so they have something to fucking do.

Here thread starter lets really jump into the hotel. Go for the gusto and quit fucking around

Weeks 1-6 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
Wk 1-26 Test @ 2 grams / EW
Wk 1-24 deca 1500 mgs / EW
Wk 17-26 tren A 200 Eod

Then PCT

TJ Cline

No sh1t, its the more is better bull sh1t....

I benched 405 before I ever took any steroid ( trained 7 years naturally first), and did test only, 8 week cycles for my first 3 cycles....went fron a cut natural 210 to a semi cut 245 and could bench a raw 500 ( then I hit it hard and got up to 260 and a 550 raw bench)......but these kids juice after a year of training and they cant even bench 300lbs naturally.....pathetic

Pirate!

I find it unfortunate that so many people are sure their way is the only reasonable way. I agree with with Capinatl that it would be better to respectfully disagree, and I personally think he knows a great deal about anabolics--based on discussions from other forums. Obviously, this board isn't big on respect.

Omar, get 23 gauge 1" pins for your delts. Unless you have real thin oil or heat it before shooting, pushing it through a 25 gauge will be hell.

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Tough Old Man

[quote=PirateFromHell] I agree with with Capinatl that it would be better to respectfully disagree, and I personally think he knows a great deal about anabolics--based on discussions from other forums. QUOTE]


Well there we go. So you think doing Test and Tren your first cycle is smart. Have you looked at the post by foremanrules on the post from the other forums and how fucking stupid they are. So you must agree with all those stupid ass post. Here I thought you were intelligent, but now think your an idiot also.


Tough

Purdue Power

I tend to stay out of the back-and-forth bickering and shit talking...So I will say this:

The point in starting with one anabolic and running it for 9 weeks or so it that each cycle, it will take more to get the same effect. If you start with just test and a jumpstart(dbol or tbol, which I did for my first cycle) you will be able to add a minimal amount of another anabolic to your second cycle, if you choose to do one, and get great results again.

With your first cycle, you will be learning some of what works best for you. If you start out with two different things and something goes very well/ very bad, you won't know which one of the anabolics was doing it for you. If you start out with one thing, such as just TestE, and you get great results, you will know that you should always stick with a cycle based with TestE. If you start with two different things, like TestE and Deca such as many ill-advised people start out with, then you won't know what is working the best for you and you will be spending way too much money for a cycle.

In first cycles, you WILL make mistakes and learn a lot of things that you could never read about. Some things are unique to individuals. If you are starting out with two anabolics on your first cycle, you will run the risk of messing up with two anabolics at once, which will cause you more pain and harm than if you had a mishap with just one thing.

My advice from my experience and my research: stick with just TestE for injectables. You can add dbol or oral Turinabol if you want for a jumpstart. Whatever you decide to do, keep a journal on here so we can help you with any questions or try to prevent you from making any first-timer mistakes.

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Tough Old Man

I can agree with this, but think it would be wiser to jump start it with Test Prop seeings it's also a test. but to you and the research you have done

Pirate!

It isn't so black and white. I never suggested anyone start with test/tren. Just because Cap said it was his first cycle, doesn't mean he was recommending it. There are other reasonable first cycles other than Test only, IMO.

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OmarJackson

whoa,

all i can say is that tough old man, and dave chappelle fag are just straight up assholes...

first, no one gives a shit you were bench pressing 400 and fucking supermodels before you ever pinned for the first time, and that you've got 1000 cycles under your belt. people are here to get advice and not hear some prick suck himeself off.

tough-old-man, you ought to change your name to stretched-out-sack-of-shit, that would be a lot more fitting the images in your gallery. big fuck you to you. your attitude is absolutly retarted. i asked why not do a cylce for 15 weeks rather than 10 and then you go and make it out to be as if i asked if i should go on 3000 mgs of test/week for the rest of my life, with 200mg tren injections everyday.

capinatl, if that is you in your avatar, fucking awesome job man. maybe these fucktards should have run test and tren in their cycles like you, and then they may actually look like bodybuilders.

-i'm out.

p.s. thanks for everyone who gave real advice.

TJ Cline

Look loser I hope after your 15 week cycle you can bench 275..
You are just one of the many jokes who have no ability to train hard and eat right....pathetic.

OmarJackson

look asshole, you don't know the first thing about me. you're one of the many assclowns that fuck up internet boards by being unbelievably arrogant and self-important.

Tough Old Man

Is that your mother in your avatar cause you sure resemble her. Do the big cycle loser as you need it.

TJ Cline

True story

Purdue Power

Wow, this thread is a trainwreck. I hope it gets back on track. Omar: you will just have to learn to decipher the message that those guys give you. I don't always agree with their delivery, but their message always has merit. They DO know what they are talking about, they just tend to jump on guys that give advice that they feel would harm someone.

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OmarJackson

hey man, i appreciate it.

both old_fat_guy and chappelle twat could have simply said, don't go over 10 weeks because it will take you much longer to recover and that would have been it. either i would have taken their advice on learned on my own the hard way.

OmarJackson

ouch. <tear>

thanks for the advice, i got some advice for you fatty, stop eating. that way it might look as if you work out, let alone juice.