???? for an experianced AAS person.

Rusty · 04-03-2002, 01:08 PM

OK, ......I've done allot of research over the past 6-months on this subject. And I'm going to stick my neck out and give some info. I would rather not hear from anyone that does not know first hand.

I'm 6"-0" , 195lbs. Been training for the last 12 years. I am 40 years old. And for those of you that already know me, you know that I had a mild MI when I was 28 years old, and have completely recoverd from that.

What I want to do is a short (4-6 week) cycle of D-bol.

D-bol = 30mg/day boken up to 6 doses of 5mg each dose.
Nolvadex = 20mg/eod till end of cycle
Clomid = 300mg/the first day after cycle, then 100mg for 6 days, then 50mg/ for 13 mor days.

Now my questions. (I already know about orals only, but preach if you must)

1. Does the Nolva and Clomid look right (more or less on the dosage)????

2. Can I safely up the d-bol to 50mg/ed?

3. What effect will this have on my heart?

Thanks in advance for your response.

realdeal · 04-03-2002, 02:00 PM

If your planning on not stacking Dbol with an injectable such as Deca or Sustanon then i dont think it would be a good idea. A guy at my gym did Dbol for 6 weeks and gained great strength and size then did clomid after for 2 weeks after and now 4 months later he is at the same place where he started.

BTW, what are your goals? being 40 what do you expect to get out of it? I just want to know because i am convinced that only people who are planning to be or already are Amatuer/Professional Bodybuilders are the ones who should be taking ASS. That just My opinion.

Rusty · 04-03-2002, 02:03 PM

Thanks for your reply and yes I value your opinion.

My goal is to gain 15-20 lbs. of lean mass.

With everything I've read........the clomid will help to keep 80-90% of the gains.

realdeal · 04-03-2002, 03:55 PM

do you know of anyone who has done this cycle?

physique · 04-03-2002, 04:29 PM

15-20lbs of lean mass on d-bol alone???? your joking right?

i would say you have not done enough homework. 15-20lbs lean mass on d-bol would be impossible.

you gain mostly water on d-bol. even with clomid i seriously doubt you can keep 80-90% of it. sure u do get good strength gains but lean muscle on d-bol alone just won't happen.

you be wise to add in some deca and test with the d-bol the you should be able to put on the lean mass you require.

this is just my opinion, some of the other vets might be able to tell u more.

physique

joker · 04-04-2002, 09:08 AM

LIFE starts at 40 ,,,,,,uh

gopro · 04-04-2002, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by IPMC
Thanks for your reply and yes I value your opinion.

My goal is to gain 15-20 lbs. of lean mass.

With everything I've read........the clomid will help to keep 80-90% of the gains.

-with a cycle of just dbol you will not be able to keep 80-90 % of your gains, clomid or no clomid.
-50 mg per day of dbol is too hard on your liver
-you'd be better off with 25 mg of dbol/ED and 200 mg of deca each week

Rusty · 04-04-2002, 10:52 AM

GOPRO & others.......

Thanks for you advice.....I will rethink my stratagies and do some more research......

gopro · 04-04-2002, 08:03 PM

You are quite welcome

Maki Riddington · 04-05-2002, 12:09 PM

My advice, try it. What do you have to lose?

gopro · 04-05-2002, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Maki Riddington
My advice, try it. What do you have to lose?

That is one of the silliest answers I have ever heard!

Maki Riddington · 04-05-2002, 09:01 PM

Granted he has done quite a bit of research he may be suprised if he trys this. The gains won't be as a effective as a say a Deca Test cycle but none the less they will be there.

gopro · 04-06-2002, 03:35 PM

Yes, he will experience gains with this cycle of just dbol, but oral only cycles are VERY hard on the liver AND he will lose most if not all of his gains post cycle...waste of time!

04-06-2002, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Yes, he will experience gains with this cycle of just dbol, but oral only cycles are VERY hard on the liver AND he will lose most if not all of his gains post cycle...waste of time!

*** If he takes the nesscary precautions he will be fine, unless he is suffering from a shot liver already and has high blood pressure. If he wants to take the conventional route then that is fine but like I said if he does it properly then I wouldn't be suprised if he kept at least 50% of his gains. Like training, steriods are very individual. I will say again that he needs to get a clean bill of health before starting a D-Bol only cycle.

gopro · 04-06-2002, 10:09 PM

Maki...have you ever done a cycle of DBol? Do you know anyone who ever got sick from steroids? Do you understand that from one single cycle of Dbol he is bound to lose all of his gains? Even if he has a clean bill of health and takes "necessary" precautions, do you realize he can still have problems at 50 mg per day?

Maki Riddington · 04-06-2002, 11:28 PM

No I haven't, but neither have you.
My experience is drawn from other peoples results.
So is yours. Like I said. It's very individual.

gopro · 04-06-2002, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by Maki Riddington
No I haven't, but neither have you.
My experience is drawn from other peoples results.
So is yours. Like I said. It's very individual.

Well, go to ANY board on the net and ask experienced steroid users about a Dbol only cycle and see the response you get. I have been training with and coaching steroid users for a very long time now, and not a single one would recommend a dbol only, or an oral only cycle for that matter. Also, since you WBB guys are so high on reading material, see if you can find one book on steroids recommend a dbol only cycle.

Maki Riddington · 04-07-2002, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by gopro

Well, go to ANY board on the net and ask experienced steroid users about a Dbol only cycle and see the response you get. I have been training with and coaching steroid users for a very long time now, and not a single one would recommend a dbol only, or an oral only cycle for that matter. Also, since you WBB guys are so high on reading material, see if you can find one book on steroids recommend a dbol only cycle.

*** I have. It just varies on who you ask. If your goal is to pack on 20 pounds of muscle obviously D-Bol isn't the prime choice. But if you want to have a cheap and effective cycle where you can keep 5-8 pounds of muscle a D-bol cycle would be fine.
Your going on the assumption that he would have to run it at 30-40 mg a fay for 4 weeks. I'm saying a dosage of 20-25 mg for for 8 weeks would be mint.
Why would I bother finding material for you. You simply refute any material thats thrown your way but when it works in your favor it's very convinient.
Hmmmmm, can't teach an old dog new tricks cause they're too deaf to hear?
Or maybe it's your ego? Who knows who cares, right?
Good night.

Mystic Eric · 04-07-2002, 03:58 AM

Shut up Maki. Go pro is bigger than you.

gopro · 04-07-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Maki Riddington

*** I have. It just varies on who you ask. If your goal is to pack on 20 pounds of muscle obviously D-Bol isn't the prime choice. But if you want to have a cheap and effective cycle where you can keep 5-8 pounds of muscle a D-bol cycle would be fine.
Your going on the assumption that he would have to run it at 30-40 mg a fay for 4 weeks. I'm saying a dosage of 20-25 mg for for 8 weeks would be mint.
Why would I bother finding material for you. You simply refute any material thats thrown your way but when it works in your favor it's very convinient.
Hmmmmm, can't teach an old dog new tricks cause they're too deaf to hear?
Or maybe it's your ego? Who knows who cares, right?
Good night.

Maki, you have proven yourself to be quite ignorant. Why don't you just stick with the WBB. Good luck.

gopro · 04-07-2002, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mystic Eric
Shut up Maki. Go pro is bigger than you.

And always will be...