Thread: My first cycle... advice/ results?

Do some, before you hurt yourself.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

I'm thinking of doing this for 10 weeks

Week Finaaplix/Parabolan--------Primobolan
1----------------------------300-400 mg/week
2----------------------------300-400 mg/week
3 75-76 mg every other day--- 300-400 mg/week
4 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
8 75-76 mg every other day--- 300-400 mg/week
6 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
7 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
8 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
9 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
10 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week

Has anyone ever done this cycle before? What can I expect of it? My friend pointed me to this program.

I'm an actor and need to bulk up only slightly and get cut. Think Ryan Reynolds. I'm currently 6'0 and 165, looking to get up to 175-180 area. I have a fairly defined stomach at the moment 30" waist and very large arms for someone my size, however, with all the hours upon hours i've put in, I still cannot get my chest, nor shoulders to develop and have that definition I'm looking for. So any help/advice/ personal experiences would be most beneficial. If you have any other suggestions etc... etc.... please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks.

foreman is gonna go nuts lol

you dont need steroids, you just need to learn about diet and training.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

I'm thinking of doing this for 10 weeks

Week Finaaplix/Parabolan--------Primobolan
1----------------------------300-400 mg/week
2----------------------------300-400 mg/week
3 75-76 mg every other day--- 300-400 mg/week
4 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
8 75-76 mg every other day--- 300-400 mg/week
6 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
7 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
8 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
9 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week
10 75-76 mg every other day ---300-400 mg/week

Has anyone ever done this cycle before? What can I expect of it? My friend pointed me to this program.

I'm an actor and need to bulk up only slightly and get cut. Think Ryan Reynolds. I'm currently 6'0 and 165, looking to get up to 175-180 area. I have a fairly defined stomach at the moment 30" waist and very large arms for someone my size, however, with all the hours upon hours i've put in, I still cannot get my chest, nor shoulders to develop and have that definition I'm looking for. So any help/advice/ personal experiences would be most beneficial. If you have any other suggestions etc... etc.... please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks.

Ok its clear you are not willing to put in the time or the work in the gym or at the table. You are looking for the easy way to get big with the least amount of work right??? 165 at 6'0 is tiny......about the size of a 14 yearold boy.

You need to read around here, the library and other places about steroids, IM shots, training and eating for the next 2 years before you even think of using illegal black market steroids.

P.S. that cycle is total shit and who ever recomended it is an idiot.

Ok, the cycle is shit, now i'm getting somewhere. I got something out of you, good times. And my friend, I have logged the hours in the gym, and on the pavement. Unfortunately my definition has not gotten to where I need it to be. I was recently passed over for a fairly large role for not being "cut" enough. I realize compared to most of you I'm quite small, and my goals are not in line with yours, however, my agency has given me 3 months to bulk up. If I had time to spend four hours at the gym 5 times a week it would be no problem, but alas, I have too many other projects going on and can really only commit an hour per day to the workout. So if anyone has anything else to say it would be appreciated. The "world" i'm a part of is more superficially demanding then I'd like, but I am a part of it and I need some help.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

Ok, the cycle is shit, now i'm getting somewhere. I got something out of you, good times. And my friend, I have logged the hours in the gym, and on the pavement. Unfortunately my definition has not gotten to where I need it to be. I was recently passed over for a fairly large role for not being "cut" enough. I realize compared to most of you I'm quite small, and my goals are not in line with yours, however, my agency has given me 3 months to bulk up. If I had time to spend four hours at the gym 5 times a week it would be no problem, but alas, I have too many other projects going on and can really only commit an hour per day to the workout. So if anyone has anything else to say it would be appreciated. The "world" i'm a part of is more superficially demanding then I'd like, but I am a part of it and I need some help.

You can work 16 hours a day and not get as much accomplished as a guy working 3 hours a day......if you don't know what you are doing then you are just spinning your wheels.....read the diet and training sections

Using your job as an excuse to use drugs you know nothing about.....well before you are ready for them is a poor excuse...all you need is 45 min a day 3x a week to get big, and you have the time for that.

Post your workout and diet and we will see what the problem is very quickly.

You don't need steroids to acheive these goals. The main problem I see is this: you need to add muscle and lose fat in less than three months. Here is your solution: find a great trainer. There are many trainers that specialize in preparing actors and models for roles and shoots. I'm sure you know this, and you know they are expensive, but the fact is you don't have time to learn everything you need to know about lifting/dieting in order to bring your chest out and cut in time.

I will prescribe a cycle for you:

Chicken 5x a day
Broccoli 3x a day
Sweet Potatoes 4x a day

Run for 10 weeks

I'm currently in negotiations to publish 2 books, one of which is only an idea at the moment, as well I've been asked to write a sitcom pilot for a network. As well, I'm writing and recording an album with a friend. A lot of nights I go out and perform stand up and have to meet people afterwards. Honestly if you know a way I can do all of those things in 3 hours, please tell me, because I'd love to know. Conversely, Mr. Foreman if you breed high horses, my friend is in the market for one around 18 hands, so if you'd like to make some money, let me know. And actually, I know a fair amount about steroids, however, I came here to find out which would be the best combination for my particular results I'm looking to get based upon some peoples experiences. I apologize for being rude, but I've read this forum for the better part of 2 weeks and your lack of tact and general negative tone has rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad as a 14 year old boy you were the size I am now. I hope when I grow up like you, I have nothing better to do than post on a message board. you twit.

To Pirate: trust me I wish I could afford one of those trainers, I just bought a condo and trying to afford anything like that is a little rough. And if you think a lot of those actors don't use roids while bulking up, I'll have to disagree. Not all of them do, but there is a large section. The thing about a lot of those trainers is they're able to keep all the gains on after a cycle, which is hard to do. My main problem is it's difficult for me to put on weight and for whatever reason, definition is not coming in. My body is just not responding they way most peoples do, and to counter that my best friend is on the other extreme. He eats mcdonalds four times a day and is more defined than about 99.999% of the population. His cholesterol is shit, but he's got the body of a greek god. I've confused more than a handful of trainers as to why I'm not getting results. I'm nearing the end of options. I'm 22 and have been working out consistently for the past 4 years. Went from 185 at about 19% body fat down to what I am now which is actually 168 with 10% body fat. If I up my calories, which I've done before, it has no effect whatsoever. I spent four weeks eating about 5000 calories per day and put on about 1.5 pounds and didn't feel all that great doing it. I don't have the option of not running because I have to stay defined. This situation is not pleasent.

My diet is generally 8 egg whites and one full egg for breakfast with some wheat toast. About 2 hours later I down a protein shake generally between 40 and 60 grams of protein depending upon how my stomach is feeling at the time. For lunch it's either chicken or steak with veggies. 2 hours after that it's usually a 20 gram protein bar or shake and for dinner it's either fish, chicken or steak with more veggies. Fruit is munched on throughout the day. Sundays I usually just eat whatever I feel like, and I'm pretty sure one day of binging is not the problem.

as far as the workout goes....

Sundays-rest
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Back and shoulders
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-Rest
Friday-Arms
Saturday-Legs

Usually it's an hour long workout now with a different routine every other week, so listing the excercises I do is a little silly. My workouts are very focused, I don't talk to anyone at the gym. And the exercises have all been culled from the trainers I've worked with. I do anywhere between 30 and 60 minutes of cardio four times a week and finish each workout with 100 pushups.

Honestly, if someone has a supplement other than steroids, I'm all ears. Creatine doesn't work for me, NO2 worked once but not anymore. I use glutamine after workouts and the only thing I haven't really tried that some have told me works is HMB. For me, steroids is the easy option here, but like I said if anyone knows a miracle combo of supplements, I'm much more keen to do that.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

I'm currently in negotiations to publish 2 books, one of which is only an idea at the moment, as well I've been asked to write a sitcom pilot for a network. As well, I'm writing and recording an album with a friend. A lot of nights I go out and perform stand up and have to meet people afterwards. Honestly if you know a way I can do all of those things in 3 hours, please tell me, because I'd love to know. Conversely, Mr. Foreman if you breed high horses, my friend is in the market for one around 18 hands, so if you'd like to make some money, let me know. And actually, I know a fair amount about steroids, however, I came here to find out which would be the best combination for my particular results I'm looking to get based upon some peoples experiences. I apologize for being rude, but I've read this forum for the better part of 2 weeks and your lack of tact and general negative tone has rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad as a 14 year old boy you were the size I am now. I hope when I grow up like you, I have nothing better to do than post on a message board. you twit.

To Pirate: trust me I wish I could afford one of those trainers, I just bought a condo and trying to afford anything like that is a little rough. And if you think a lot of those actors don't use roids while bulking up, I'll have to disagree. Not all of them do, but there is a large section. The thing about a lot of those trainers is they're able to keep all the gains on after a cycle, which is hard to do. My main problem is it's difficult for me to put on weight and for whatever reason, definition is not coming in. My body is just not responding they way most peoples do, and to counter that my best friend is on the other extreme. He eats mcdonalds four times a day and is more defined than about 99.999% of the population. His cholesterol is shit, but he's got the body of a greek god. I've confused more than a handful of trainers as to why I'm not getting results. I'm nearing the end of options. I'm 22 and have been working out consistently for the past 4 years. Went from 185 at about 19% body fat down to what I am now which is actually 168 with 10% body fat. If I up my calories, which I've done before, it has no effect whatsoever. I spent four weeks eating about 5000 calories per day and put on about 1.5 pounds and didn't feel all that great doing it. I don't have the option of not running because I have to stay defined. This situation is not pleasent.

My diet is generally 8 egg whites and one full egg for breakfast with some wheat toast. About 2 hours later I down a protein shake generally between 40 and 60 grams of protein depending upon how my stomach is feeling at the time. For lunch it's either chicken or steak with veggies. 2 hours after that it's usually a 20 gram protein bar or shake and for dinner it's either fish, chicken or steak with more veggies. Fruit is munched on throughout the day. Sundays I usually just eat whatever I feel like, and I'm pretty sure one day of binging is not the problem.

as far as the workout goes....

Sundays-rest
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Back and shoulders
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-Rest
Friday-Arms
Saturday-Legs

Usually it's an hour long workout now with a different routine every other week, so listing the excercises I do is a little silly. My workouts are very focused, I don't talk to anyone at the gym. And the exercises have all been culled from the trainers I've worked with. I do anywhere between 30 and 60 minutes of cardio four times a week and finish each workout with 100 pushups.

Honestly, if someone has a supplement other than steroids, I'm all ears. Creatine doesn't work for me, NO2 worked once but not anymore. I use glutamine after workouts and the only thing I haven't really tried that some have told me works is HMB. For me, steroids is the easy option here, but like I said if anyone knows a miracle combo of supplements, I'm much more keen to do that.

Ok bragging about beind a movie star,doing stand up comedy, recording artist, sitcom writer and now a soon to be published author takes the cake . You are even more full of crap then New_in_the_game.

Now to your undetailed workout

Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Back and shoulders
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-Rest
Friday-Arms
Saturday-Legs
Sundays-rest


Sets, reps, exercises, voulme, intensity.....some details would be nice.
No need for an arm day......you need to be more spicific in how you workout.

When you are not busy recording albums, making movies, writing books, doing stand up comedy or writing sitcoms please list your woukout in detail.

If I wanted to brag I'd tell you how much money I made from this stuff. I was giving you the reasons why it's difficult for me to workout. My ex-gf lived next to a rocket scientist for NASA... when he told me that, I didn't feel like he was bragging. In fact I felt quite inadequate. I apologize for being creative and accomplishing shit with my life. And trust me, the record i'm recording isn't going to sniff the top 200 of billboard, it's just something fun to do. My will and want to argue with you is at zero and if this board is like others, you are now on my ignore list. If anyone has something constructive to add to this, the help is very appreciated.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

If I wanted to brag I'd tell you how much money I made from this stuff. I was giving you the reasons why it's difficult for me to workout. My ex-gf lived next to a rocket scientist for NASA... when he told me that, I didn't feel like he was bragging. In fact I felt quite inadequate. I apologize for being creative and accomplishing shit with my life. And trust me, the record i'm recording isn't going to sniff the top 200 of billboard, it's just something fun to do. My will and want to argue with you is at zero and if this board is like others, you are now on my ignore list. If anyone has something constructive to add to this, the help is very appreciated.

So you are not a Rocket Scientist also???? I'm so disappointed ......you were almost my new hero

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

My diet is generally 8 egg whites and one full egg for breakfast with some wheat toast. About 2 hours later I down a protein shake generally between 40 and 60 grams of protein depending upon how my stomach is feeling at the time. For lunch it's either chicken or steak with veggies. 2 hours after that it's usually a 20 gram protein bar or shake and for dinner it's either fish, chicken or steak with more veggies. Fruit is munched on throughout the day. Sundays I usually just eat whatever I feel like, and I'm pretty sure one day of binging is not the problem.

you're not eating nearly enough! you need at least 6 meals a day and no a protien shake and a protien bar do not count as meals.

Seriously you have no idea what your getting yourself into, you have no need for steroids or even supplements go and start reading in the training and diet sections.

STEROIDS CANNOT IMPROVE A BAD DIET AND A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Originally Posted by Stu

you're not eating nearly enough! you need at least 6 meals a day and no a protien shake and a protien bar do not count as meals.

Seriously you have no idea what your getting yourself into, you have no need for steroids or even supplements go and start reading in the training and diet sections.

STEROIDS CANNOT IMPROVE A BAD DIET AND A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

Stu, if you read slightly above that you'd see there was a time i was eating more than I am now. However, doing that made me feel quite lethargic throughout the course of the day. Besides downing fruit, I usually eat a PB sandwich, or some oatmeal or something small like that a couple times to keep my metabolism going. Like I said, my goal is not to get massive and huge, it's to put on a 10-15 pounds quickly and get more defined.

Originally Posted by poeticomedy

Stu, if you read slightly above that you'd see there was a time i was eating more than I am now. However, doing that made me feel quite lethargic throughout the course of the day. Besides downing fruit, I usually eat a PB sandwich, or some oatmeal or something small like that a couple times to keep my metabolism going. Like I said, my goal is not to get massive and huge, it's to put on a 10-15 pounds quickly and get more defined.

then why do you wanna use steroids? putting on 10-15lbs is easy, especially at your height and weight.

I have 3 months to do it and in the past couple years have had no luck in putting on weight. I plateaued long ago and still cannot get well defined. I've tried a myriad of different approaches to my diet and none have worked. I've even tried waking up in the middle of the night and downing a protein shake and a handful of prepped egg whites to keep my metabolism going 24 hours a day to no avail. I'm really at a loss on new things to try and with the deadline that's been placed on my head, I am trying to find a way out of this corner I'm stuck in.

Lazy and stupid is no way to gain muscle mass.

Without food, drugs does not make you gain weight out of nowhere, unless you are an AIDS patient who is overcoming a problem via the drugs. It takes protein to build muscle tissue and it takes calories to metabolically support weight gain.

Drugs wont beat the laws of science, you have to follow them.

If you are in the gym for an hour, doing for example just chest, you are spending far far too long.

Since when do you have to go to the gym for 4 hours a day, 5 days a week to see results?? You my friend are a bafoon...that cycle sounds great. Go for it. Oh, let us know if you get the "part."

Spend your time in the training and diet forum, not the anabolics.

Damn, some of you guys just like to hand people their ass on a silver platter.

Looking at your diet and training, it is clear where your problems lie. How familiar are you with the concepts of progressive overload and adaptation? You are likely overtraining and not changing your routine in a fashion that yeilds progress.

You are doing everything you know how to, and it is not working. Learn more and you could put significant muscle in the next three months. Read this quote to get a feel for what I'm talking about:

Here are some of the primary reasons most trainees don’t grow:

1. You overtrain and under eat. These are listed as the main primary reason because they go hand in hand and BOTH must be balanced or you can forget growth. The most perfect training regimen will fail miserably if diet is not there to support it. And conversely, the most perfect diet will be wasted if the trainee is doing more workload than they can recover from—most do WAY too much!

2. The training workload is not varied. Doing the exact same lift the same way stops being productive for most trainees within 3-6 weeks. Once the body has adapted to the loading it must be changed if you are to continue to force the body to adapt.

3. Too much focus on isolation exercises, not enough compound work. You can do all the “small” lifts until you are blue in the face, but until you are moving big poundage’s in the big lifts you will remain small. Which brings up point #4.

4. You MUST squat and deadlift if you are going to reach your bodies growth potential. Think it through. Doing squats or deads activates 70-85% of the bodies overall musculature in one move. Doing a set of curls maybe 3-5%. Which sends a big signal that the body better get better at synthesizing protein and better at handling the need to grow as a unit? You will NEVER reach your potential without doing the squats and deads.

5. You constantly fluctuate between lifts that have bad carry-over. Here is an example
I have seen many times, and one I have done myself. The trainee burns out on benching and decides to do Hammer Strength Benches for a change. He makes the switch and is jazzed. His Hammer press is going up every week and he is stoked. After a time he has added 50 lbs to his Hammer bench and decides to go back and hit the bench, only to find it’s up a whole 10 lbs!!!!!


That doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with Hammer Benches. It just means that the lifts are dissimilar enough that an increase in one may not necessarily help increase the lift on another. Use of stabilizers and inter and intra-muscular coordination are two primary reasons, along with neural recruitment pattern gains that don’t apply well to the other lift.

6. You don’t know when to de-load/cruise, or take time off. NO ONES body takes a constant pounding of hard training without periods of active or full rest recovery. Until you learn how and when to don this your training will never be optimal

7. Your micro-nutrient support SUCKS! I can’t count the number of guys I have seen trying to build great physiques taking a “one a day” vitamin and thinking they have it covered. If you want great things out of your body, you need to put great fuel in it.

8. You train with the intensity of a arthritic old lady. Nuff said.

9. You have no clearly defined goals. Most people just “lift to get bigger”, and while this is a fine goal, not having and strength related goals will kill your progress in the long run. Your primary goal should be getting stronger on the big lifts on a CONSTANT basis. Setting short and long-term strength goals and achieving them is what equals a big strong trainee in the long run.

10. You are inconsistent. Getting excited about your training and killing yourself in the gym only to burn out and few weeks later and miss a bunch of sessions ends up being 1 step forward, 3/4 steps backward for many trainees. Getting and staying consistent and racking up sustainable gains over the long-term is what it’s about.

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If it's hard for you to workout because of time, the last thing you need is gear. If your on the set as much as you talk, I know from personal experience that they feed your ass.

So here's your new cycle and it's very anabolic. It's called FOOD. So eat your ass off.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Without food, drugs does not make you gain weight out of nowhere, unless you are an AIDS patient who is overcoming a problem via the drugs. It takes protein to build muscle tissue and it takes calories to metabolically support weight gain.

Drugs wont beat the laws of science, you have to follow them.

If you are in the gym for an hour, doing for example just chest, you are spending far far too long.

I spend about 45 minutes to an hour on chest, this is too much??

Flat Press 3 sets, 1 negative set
Incline 3 sets
Decline 3 sets
Hammer press 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets
pullovers 3 sets.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I spend about 45 minutes to an hour on chest, this is too much??

Flat Press 3 sets, 1 negative set
Incline 3 sets
Decline 3 sets
Hammer press 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets
pullovers 3 sets.

at a glance i would say thats way to much, but it depends on what intensity you are using

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I spend about 45 minutes to an hour on chest, this is too much??

Flat Press 3 sets, 1 negative set
Incline 3 sets
Decline 3 sets
Hammer press 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets
pullovers 3 sets.

Wow I'm on a bulk right now and only do 3 sets total for chest, but done twice in 8 days for a total of 6 sets. Of coarse all are done in different rep ranges and all to failure.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I spend about 45 minutes to an hour on chest, this is too much??

Flat Press 3 sets, 1 negative set
Incline 3 sets
Decline 3 sets
Hammer press 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets
pullovers 3 sets.

I really think you need to examine your training routine. What is your goal for this, and what do you think you are accomplishing by doing so much.. ? I would do 1/6 of what you are doing, but I train very intensely and to failure always.

Tough you are a DC'er too still right? I've made twice the amount of gains with his training than I had on any other type of training.

Originally Posted by Stu

at a glance i would say thats way to much, but it depends on what intensity you are using

Well the pressing exercises are the only ones that are at a high intensity, notably flat bench. Cable crossovers are 15 rep sets and pullovers are just easy 15 rep sets with a 40lb dumbell. With this exercise I keep my arms fully extended and it's a very slow and controlled movement. Keep in mind I am on cycle right now, if that changes anything. Perhaps I am overtraining...I got some good info from tough I will look into when I get ready to revamp my workouts. BTW, I'm training moreso for size....

Originally Posted by brogers

I really think you need to examine your training routine. What is your goal for this, and what do you think you are accomplishing by doing so much.. ? I would do 1/6 of what you are doing, but I train very intensely and to failure always.

Tough you are a DC'er too still right? I've made twice the amount of gains with his training than I had on any other type of training.

I think both of you are wacked....3 sets once a week VS 18.....Both suck IMO
8-10 sets would be better IMO

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I think both of you are wacked....3 sets once a week VS 18.....Both suck IMO
8-10 sets would be better IMO

So maybe 3 exercises @ 3 sets a piece?? Maybe keep flat bench since every week and alternate with the other two exercises? Man I've always trained with more than 9 or 10 sets on chest...always between 12 and 15...maybe that's my problem, I'm open to advice. Just be specific...