Thread: Test and EQ second cycle

Originally Posted by redflash

Hell, I know this is going to get me some hassle from TOM, Foremanrules, etc for not running test only on my first cycle, but I'm looking for a steer on my second.

As background, I'm 46 and 175lbs and two years back into my training after a 20 year break. Natural test has fallen away. Before I lifted a weight I was a skinny teenager at 140lbs - please bear in mind my starting point and my age before telling me I should train naturally for another three years to reach my natural potential...

First cycle: EQ 300-400mg per week for 10 weeks. EQ selected as it is highly anabolic, has some androgenic capability and aromatisation but not as much as test; EQ alone because I wanted to take the advice on the board to try one drug alone so you know what it does to you. I have shed a pound or two of fat and put on ten pounds of muscle, so I'm happy. HCG used towards end of cycle, Nolva for PCT according to Foremanrules' recipe.

I have had some problems with oily skin, spots etc - nothing really embarrassing (which I can't afford in my line of business) but notiecable at times. Curiously enough, this seemed to be more of a problem after lifting the dose from 300 to 400, then my body seemed to setle into the higher dose.

Second cycle: I am thinking of either adding low dose test or tren; probably test because of the advice on the board. As well as fears of accelerated hair loss and acne, I have a fast temper which I don't want to mess with; so straight 500mg test per week is just not something I am willing to do. I'm also the secret juicer who needs to put his growth down to protein drinks, muscle memory, and anything else I can think of, so any bloat through water retention needs to be controlled.

What do you guys think of adding 200-250mg test to 300-400 EQ for a second cycle? I'll probably run Armidex 0.25 throughout to minimise bloat, HCG also, and Nolva for PCT; and I'll probably make it an 8-10 week cycle.

Attraction of tren is its profile of androgenic:anabolic. I'm picking up signals that I should save this for a later cycle but I'd appreciate any insights regarding safety etc.

Second cycle likely to be EQ and test then.

Thanks in advance,

Flash

I'd run it like this

Test @ 500 mgs
EQ @ 400 mgs

You pick how many weeks

Note watch your B/P. If it starts getting to a level you don't like, back the test down to 250 mgs and up the EQ to 600 mgs.

Originally Posted by redflash

Hell, I know this is going to get me some hassle from TOM, Foremanrules, etc for not running test only on my first cycle, but I'm looking for a steer on my second.

At 46 I think you can do what ever you want, you have paid your dues in life and I would never give you shit about that.

EQ at 600mg a week for 10 weeks....I would run it with at least 300mg Test a week.

Foreman, you make me feel like 66 not 46!

Thanks for feedback. If I run the Arimidex that should minimise water retention right? So B/P shouldn't be an issue?

And I take it you would run the HCG at 500IU every 3-4 days and then the Foremanrules PCT Nolva 60/40/40/20.

Cheers guys, and have a great Christmas.

Flash

Originally Posted by redflash

Foreman, you make me feel like 66 not 46!

Thanks for feedback. If I run the Arimidex that should minimise water retention right? So B/P shouldn't be an issue?

And I take it you would run the HCG at 500IU every 3-4 days and then the Foremanrules PCT Nolva 60/40/40/20.

Cheers guys, and have a great Christmas.

Flash

Actually I run my Nolva 40/40/40/20...just do 60 the first 2 days but it probably dosent matter .

Arimidex should keep the water under controll.

i'm running a 3 week pct, 1st week 40mg ED, then 20mg ED mearly to keep estrogen at bay while my HPTA rebalances, i'm not a big fan of nolva, i've been on the shit for about 2 months and i really want to get off it, got fenugreek, nettle root, trib and vitex that i'll be on for the next month or so to give myself more of a natural pct approach

I only did 3 weeks this time, ran a 8 week cycle with 20mg Nolva from day 1 till the begining of PCT...did 60/40/20,,,,,worked great for me.

I'd recommend:

weeks:
1-12 Test E 500 mg/wk
1-10 EQ 600 mg/wk
HCG on cycle
Run the nolva atleast 5 weeks, tapering down and stopping when you are cumming daily.

First cycle: EQ 300-400mg per week for 10 weeks. EQ selected as it is highly anabolic, has some androgenic capability and aromatisation but not as much as test; EQ alone because I wanted to take the advice on the board to try one drug alone so you know what it does to you. I have shed a pound or two of fat and put on ten pounds of muscle, so I'm happy. HCG used towards end of cycle, Nolva for PCT according to Foremanrules' recipe.

I have had some problems with oily skin, spots etc - nothing really embarrassing (which I can't afford in my line of business) but notiecable at times. Curiously enough, this seemed to be more of a problem after lifting the dose from 300 to 400, then my body seemed to setle into the higher dos

So you were happy with eq cycle? what exact PCT did you use, dosages etc? did you lose any mass post cycle? did it increase your appetite? What was your diet like? Did it increase your strength? or vascularity? any other problems other than spots and oily skin? how much did it cost?

cheers

Originally Posted by pengers84

First cycle: So you were happy with eq cycle? what exact PCT did you use, dosages etc? did you lose any mass post cycle? did it increase your appetite? What was your diet like? Did it increase your strength? or vascularity? any other problems other than spots and oily skin? how much did it cost?

cheers

To Pengers84: I would have said Yes, most definitely. But I got food poisoning last weekend (2 carnivores in household ate chicken, 2 veggies did not - guess who got the food poisoning. Yup, me and my son). Very nasty, like I passed out on an underground/metro/tube (delete according to lingo) platform in London and woke up in a pool of my own puke - nice. Weight plummeted (well, that's what it felt like) by 4-5 pounds which is around half my gains. Now I know some of that was fat, I can tell from my waist, but I suspect I may have been carrying some water too, though not much.

Let me get a few weeks training under my belt and I'll see whether the lean weight comes back or stays off. When I thought I had put on 8-10 lean pounds in 10 weeks I was very happy; if that turns out to be only 4-5 lean pounds then much less happy but it's a baby cycle compared with what most people recommend - it was just a taster.

Appetite increased, definitely, but not to the point where I felt permanently hungry. My diet was high protein supplemented by whey protein drinks, medium fat, medium carbs.

No other probs. I like EQ and will use it again, with test on next cycle. I lke the idea of compounds which are more anabolic and less androgenic/armotisable, for reasons like water retention/hair loss/prostate/skin/HPTA shutdown/collagen production, but others will prefer straight test and I respect that.

Flash

ever considered primo?

Originally Posted by redflash

To Pengers84: I would have said Yes, most definitely. But I got food poisoning last weekend (2 carnivores in household ate chicken, 2 veggies did not - guess who got the food poisoning. Yup, me and my son). Very nasty, like I passed out on an underground/metro/tube (delete according to lingo) platform in London and woke up in a pool of my own puke - nice. Weight plummeted (well, that's what it felt like) by 4-5 pounds which is around half my gains. Now I know some of that was fat, I can tell from my waist, but I suspect I may have been carrying some water too, though not much.

Let me get a few weeks training under my belt and I'll see whether the lean weight comes back or stays off. When I thought I had put on 8-10 lean pounds in 10 weeks I was very happy; if that turns out to be only 4-5 lean pounds then much less happy but it's a baby cycle compared with what most people recommend - it was just a taster.



Appetite increased, definitely, but not to the point where I felt permanently hungry. My diet was high protein supplemented by whey protein drinks, medium fat, medium carbs.

No other probs. I like EQ and will use it again, with test on next cycle. I lke the idea of compounds which are more anabolic and less androgenic/armotisable, for reasons like water retention/hair loss/prostate/skin/HPTA shutdown/collagen production, but others will prefer straight test and I respect that.

Flash

cheers, thanks for the feedback, good luck with your next cycle.
Im still yet to take the plunge but at this stage il probably go down the same route as you, prob with another 6-months training under my belt.
Red flash, Have you ever considered long-r IGF-1?

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I'd run it like this

Test @ 500 mgs
EQ @ 400 mgs

You pick how many weeks

Note watch your B/P. If it starts getting to a level you don't like, back the test down to 250 mgs and up the EQ to 600 mgs.

Wouldn't the EQ cause BP problems since it stimulates the kidney's release of EPO, thus increasing the volume of blood?

To brogers: I did not get my b/p measured so I can't answer that definitively. I did feel my pulse was heavier ocassionally, like when lying in bed waiting to drift of to sleep, but I think this may have been more to do with the little water I'm increasingly convinced I was carrying.

EQ increases the number of red blood cells so you have more oxygen carrying capacity and in theory more energy though I can't tell whether my extra energy was due to the "well-being" feeling the gear tends to give you or to this. But I don't think you can equate more red blood cells with more b/p.

Hope this helps,

Flash

pengers: don't understand all this precursor stuff so, no, I've stuck to what I do know works which is AAS.

youngd: I took primo tabs with deca jabs 20 years ago, twice, before comps. It does make you hard, so is an excellent pre-comp compound but not a mass builder. it's also v mild on the liver. The only two orals I've ever taken and will consider taking are anavar and primo, unless I spot something new, and not dbol, etc.

I wouldn't rule primo out as something,say, to add pure anaboliism to a test base. But it does convert readily to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which means it does your hairline no favours. I think 90% of my hair loss has been due to hereditary reasons not 2-3 low dose cycles 20 years ago, but you should bear it in mind.

Flash

Next cycle will be test and EQ.

I have been reading up on Armidex. Is it best used from day 1 of the cycle? And until start of PCT? Same 1/4 to 1/2 tab per day throughout?

Any advice appreciated.

Flash

Arimidex advice anyone?

Originally Posted by redflash

Arimidex advice anyone?

.25mg/day starting after a few weeks when bloat starts to get bad. If your joints get dry, cut the dose in half.