clen,test,t3

kraziplaya · 12-28-2005, 07:18 PM

hey bros..
wanted to cut some weight and use clen/t-3 to help...
80mcgs to 120mcgs of clen sounds high for a first time user...do you think i can get good results with 60mcgs a day of clen and 75 mcgs a day of t-3?
i want to run the clen for a month solid and then quit and use eca for the rest of the way...but i do want to stay on t-3 for an additional month becaus i will be using test to cut with...

kraziplaya · 12-28-2005, 07:19 PM

planning an 8 week cycle of test e but using prop for the first two weeks..

PWGriffin · 12-28-2005, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraziplaya

planning an 8 week cycle of test e but using prop for the first two weeks..

With clen I've always heard 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...don't know anything about the other stuff sorry..

kraziplaya · 12-28-2005, 08:39 PM

i heard the 2 on 2 off but i also heard you can usually get a good 3-4 weeks out of it too

TJ Cline · 12-28-2005, 09:20 PM

I ran T-3 on my last deca cycle at 75-100mcg.....didn't like how I felt at 100 after a few weeks so droped it to 75mcg for the last half of the cycle.

Clen I don't really know, have not run it in 4 years but back then I think I did it 4 weeks at 80??

Tha Don · 12-29-2005, 06:40 AM

i didn't like clen one bit, not worth the sides IMO and very over-rated, i won't ever touch it again, i can get far better results from caffeine, a good diet and plenty of cardio

as for t3 never tried it so can't really comment, but i've heard that you should run it no longer than 6-8 weeks max, and taper off very slowly

Stu · 12-29-2005, 07:16 AM

T3 works well when your diet is spot on

clen 2 weeks on 2 off cycled with ECA is effective.

DQGear · 12-29-2005, 08:24 PM

when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off

TJ Cline · 12-30-2005, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DQGear

when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off

Then they were lazy

NEW_IN_THE_GAME · 12-30-2005, 01:31 AM

Clen at 100 for 2 weeks then 25mg ephedrine,200mg caffeine for 2 weeks, then back to clen then to eca.

week 1: clen
week 2: clen
week 3: eca
week 4: eca
week 5: clen
week 6: clen
week 7: eca
week 8: eca

eca stops the lethargic feeling after clenbuterol is used.

then go down to just caffeine, then none unless you use caffeine pre workout.

dont drop cals too much tho, you will feel like shit, as for t3 iunno too much, so i will let someone else answer. good luck

CRASHMAN · 12-30-2005, 06:08 AM

while running t3, i heard that you wouldn't want to go over 50mcgs of clen.

CRASHMAN · 12-30-2005, 06:14 AM

also, you could get some Ketotifen fumarate and run the clen for a lot longer. personally, i'd get some albuterol and run it. with a shorter half life, you will not have the work out crippling side effect in which you would have something with a longer half life like clen. I would suggest workout in the AM then take your albuterol after to avoid the ATP drain.... clen really sucked ass for that reason with me.... and you could also load up on potassium and taurine to avoid that side effect of the clen; i know it worked better than nothing for me.

CRASHMAN · 12-30-2005, 06:16 AM

you could also try that new melting point stuff from designer supps if you hate the ECA crash like i do... I've personally never tried it but i've heard good reviews and its better than a hole in the head

CRASHMAN · 12-30-2005, 06:25 AM

young D posted this a little while back about an 8 week cycle with t3

T3

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs
And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:
The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.
Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs
Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)
Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.

also, you could use gugglesterones for PCT(for the t3) if you would like studies have shown an increased output by the thyroidb as a result of using them

**Pirate!** · 12-30-2005, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

T3

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs
And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:
The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.
Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs
Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)
Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.

I'm a firm believer that tapering down is absolutely pointless.

CRASHMAN · 12-30-2005, 10:50 AM

hey, atleast it saves you some for next time

Tha Don · 12-30-2005, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I'm a firm believer that tapering down is absolutely pointless.

so you advise just stopping like that? one day 125mcg of t3, the next day nothing? that dosen't sound too smart to me, correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you want to avoid a major crash in the thyroid post t3 use? isn't that how people end up on thyroid replacement therapy for the rest of their lives?

TJ Cline · 12-30-2005, 02:39 PM

You have to taper T-3, my Doctor even told me this......go talk to a pharmacist about it if you really want am informed answer.

topolo · 12-30-2005, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You have to taper T-3, my Doctor even told me this......go talk to a pharmacist about it if you really want am informed answer.

If I want an uninformed answer can I talk to you?

TJ Cline · 12-30-2005, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topolo

If I want an uninformed answer can I talk to you?

I will make it up as I go

topolo · 12-31-2005, 07:40 PM

you always do!

TJ Cline · 12-31-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topolo

you always do!

Devlin · 01-01-2006, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

so you advise just stopping like that? one day 125mcg of t3, the next day nothing? that dosen't sound too smart to me, correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you want to avoid a major crash in the thyroid post t3 use? isn't that how people end up on thyroid replacement therapy for the rest of their lives?

Definitely taper the T3 down. I don't believe you have to go as strict as young-d posted, but going from 100mcg to none will cause some unconfortable side effects such as weight gain, mood swings, letheragy, hair loss until your thyroid kicks back in. The thyroid "crash" is not caused by not tapering off T3. The crash is caused by actually using T3. When one takes T3 it cause the pituitary to decrease production of TSH. The decreased TSH levels cause less natural T4 and T3 to be produced by the thyroid. The decreased TSH basially starts to shut the thyroid down when T3 is used long term.

Tough Old Man · 01-01-2006, 03:21 PM

Look taper up on the T-3 and then taper back down. I'm also not a fan of Clen.
Personally I never run it longer then 29 days. I start off at .25, .50,. 75, .100 thru 26th day and then .75, .50, .25. I also felt like shit @ 100 and no longer do more then .75 ED.

Mudge sould ring in on this about the Clen.

ag-guys · 01-03-2006, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DQGear

when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off

they should have done more cadio, more dieting

AG
www.ag-guys.com

samat631 · 01-05-2006, 10:37 PM

ive read anything over 50mcg of t-3 can really mess up your thyroid

12-28-2005, 07:18 PM	#1
kraziplaya Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Posts: 527 Photos: 1	clen,test,t3 hey bros.. wanted to cut some weight and use clen/t-3 to help... 80mcgs to 120mcgs of clen sounds high for a first time user...do you think i can get good results with 60mcgs a day of clen and 75 mcgs a day of t-3? i want to run the clen for a month solid and then quit and use eca for the rest of the way...but i do want to stay on t-3 for an additional month becaus i will be using test to cut with...

12-28-2005, 09:20 PM	#5
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	I ran T-3 on my last deca cycle at 75-100mcg.....didn't like how I felt at 100 after a few weeks so droped it to 75mcg for the last half of the cycle. Clen I don't really know, have not run it in 4 years but back then I think I did it 4 weeks at 80??
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544

12-29-2005, 08:24 PM	#8
DQGear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 13	when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off
DQGear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 13

12-30-2005, 01:31 AM	#10
NEW_IN_THE_GAME Pic is at 263-14% jan 06 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sioux Falls South Dakota Posts: 1,138	Clen at 100 for 2 weeks then 25mg ephedrine,200mg caffeine for 2 weeks, then back to clen then to eca. week 1: clen week 2: clen week 3: eca week 4: eca week 5: clen week 6: clen week 7: eca week 8: eca eca stops the lethargic feeling after clenbuterol is used. then go down to just caffeine, then none unless you use caffeine pre workout. dont drop cals too much tho, you will feel like shit, as for t3 iunno too much, so i will let someone else answer. good luck
	These are my dreams, which I must make reality!

12-30-2005, 06:08 AM	#11
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	while running t3, i heard that you wouldn't want to go over 50mcgs of clen.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

12-28-2005, 07:19 PM	#2
kraziplaya Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Posts: 527 Photos: 1	planning an 8 week cycle of test e but using prop for the first two weeks..

12-28-2005, 08:39 PM	#4
kraziplaya Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Posts: 527 Photos: 1	i heard the 2 on 2 off but i also heard you can usually get a good 3-4 weeks out of it too

12-29-2005, 06:40 AM	#6
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	i didn't like clen one bit, not worth the sides IMO and very over-rated, i won't ever touch it again, i can get far better results from caffeine, a good diet and plenty of cardio as for t3 never tried it so can't really comment, but i've heard that you should run it no longer than 6-8 weeks max, and taper off very slowly

12-29-2005, 07:16 AM	#7
Stu cooking up a storm Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,869 Photos: 1	T3 works well when your diet is spot on clen 2 weeks on 2 off cycled with ECA is effective.

12-30-2005, 06:14 AM	#12
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	also, you could get some Ketotifen fumarate and run the clen for a lot longer. personally, i'd get some albuterol and run it. with a shorter half life, you will not have the work out crippling side effect in which you would have something with a longer half life like clen. I would suggest workout in the AM then take your albuterol after to avoid the ATP drain.... clen really sucked ass for that reason with me.... and you could also load up on potassium and taurine to avoid that side effect of the clen; i know it worked better than nothing for me.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

12-30-2005, 06:16 AM	#13
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	you could also try that new melting point stuff from designer supps if you hate the ECA crash like i do... I've personally never tried it but i've heard good reviews and its better than a hole in the head
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

12-30-2005, 06:25 AM	#14
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	young D posted this a little while back about an 8 week cycle with t3 T3 Days 1,2: 50mcgs Days 3,4: 75mcgs Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE: The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash. Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max) Days 23-26 : 100mcgs Days 27-30: 75mcgs Days 31-34: 50mcgs Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now) Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs 8-weeks total. also, you could use gugglesterones for PCT(for the t3) if you would like studies have shown an increased output by the thyroidb as a result of using them
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

12-30-2005, 10:50 AM	#16
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	hey, atleast it saves you some for next time
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

12-30-2005, 02:39 PM	#18
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	You have to taper T-3, my Doctor even told me this......go talk to a pharmacist about it if you really want am informed answer.
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544

01-01-2006, 03:21 PM	#24
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Look taper up on the T-3 and then taper back down. I'm also not a fan of Clen. Personally I never run it longer then 29 days. I start off at .25, .50,. 75, .100 thru 26th day and then .75, .50, .25. I also felt like shit @ 100 and no longer do more then .75 ED. Mudge sould ring in on this about the Clen.

01-05-2006, 10:37 PM	#26
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	ive read anything over 50mcg of t-3 can really mess up your thyroid

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