Tha Don

hows this look to you guys?

weeks 1-10 test enan 250mg/wk
weeks 1-10 primo 400mg/wk

a few questions...

1) is that dose of primo ok? or should i go slightly higher? ie 500-600mg?

2) will i still be at a high risk of gyno on that cycle from the test, and if so is an AI on cycle recommended? or should i get away without anything?

3) i'm thinking about throwing some var in again, most probably at the end, but i want to try and avoid all orals this time round, would masteron be a reasonable alternative to the var? (var seemed to give me lovely seperation, strength and vascularity, can i expect similar things from masteron?)

FYI the test dose is kept low because i'm not taking any chances with the gyno this time, and also the BP problems i had last time round, just want something a bit easier on the system, hence the inclusion of the primo (although expensive!)

brogers

Got money to burn?

TJ Cline

If you have the cash and dont mind all the shots just do masteron and Primo....no need for any test on this cycle.

Tough Old Man

Young D go fuck off. You have so many things you want to try. Why don't you just do 5 grams a week of grear until you reach the size you want and then stop. What a fucking young dickhead you are. I guess dickheads come young cause your fucking one of them.


Tough

Tha Don

i would tell you to keep your hair on, but seems like you've lost it all already!

Tha Don

yeah, i was wondering is test really that essential? i do hear of some guys running cycles without test and still making good gains, i guess it depends how supressive the other things are that you plan on running it with, like primo is very mild on the HPTA, i doubt i will have too much trouble with libdo (from what i've heard others say about primo only), i can get masteron in the enan ester, so that is an option, and that way i could still get away with jabbing 2x a week, but just not sure whether the effects of the masteron would quite match the effects of test, if i didn't go with test then eq and primo would be another option

brogers

Test E, 500mg/wk, 8-12 weeks. Use an AI since you're so deathly afraid of estrogen problems.

You only weigh like 190 right? Stop fucking with these combinations that you don't need. You're wasting money. People @ over 200 grow just fine off of 500mg of test. The fact that you've done 3 cycles DOESN'T MATTER. Size matters.

Tha Don

you are a bright spark aren't you! incase you were unaware i am highly gyno prone, testosterone aromatises very easily to estrogen which might just result in, yep, you guessed it, gyno, recommending a high dose test cycle to a gyno prone user is not only dumb but also very dangerous, and IMO you should stop giving out crap advice or else some poor sod is going to end up with long term problems, and the guilt will lie with you

FYI primobolan has no conversion to estrogen, neither dose masteron (it actually has some anti-estrogenic properties), and eq aromatises at roughly half the rate of what test does, so me being a health conceous individual would rather run something that will not give me a pair of boobs by the time i'm done, and AI's are not the solution, there is no guarentee it will stop me getting gyno and running high doses of AI's on a cycle is no fun at all, i'd rather be on creatine than test and a heavy AI dose

Mudge

Some folks that I've seen use Masteron say it is very dangerous, due to supposed dehydration qualities. I dont know myself, its a pussy steroid so I have no use for it.

Run a low dose of something else IMO.

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Pirate!

Don't let LAM hear that.

Young d, Regular use of an AI will prevent any gyno caused by test. If you are looking to cut, why not use masteron, eq, and var for 10-12 wks? Why primo?

brogers

500mg of Test isn't a high dose. And it's far from "dangerous" . AI's prevent it from converting to estrogen. You've demonstrated you don't know what the hell you're doing when it comes to steroids. You've run 2-3 cycles? You'd think you would have learned something by now. Do yourself a favor and don't waste money on primobolan, spend it on aromasin or adex.

Tha Don

have you ever ran primo?

Tha Don

not really looking to cut as such, more of a recomp cycle, just to improve body composition, i've heard really good things about primo, seems like the perfect anabolic compound for me, only downside is the cost but hopefully it will be worth it, i'm pretty much set on running it this cycle

Tha Don

hmm, i've not heard that about it before, i knew it could dry out the joints slightly, but i wouldn't have imagined it would be as bad as say winstrol?

really i'm swaying towards the test/primo this time, keeping the test low at 250 and the primo at a decent dose of 600 (.600-1g seems to be whats advised)

i'd want to try and get away without using an AI if possible, maybe 0.5mg of adex eod won't hurt too much

might also run a prop kickstart for 1st 3 weeks at 50mg EOD, i think i'm through with orals now (apart from var, which i might run at the end)

Tough Old Man

Ok lets go to round two......."D"... Ding, Ding, the bell has rung

Try Test @ 200 mgs / EW
EQ @ 800-1000 mgs / EW.

If you would only try it for a spell you might find it would work for you.

TJ Cline

If you were going to do say 375mg Test Cyp a week would you be better to do it in one shot or do 187.5mg 2x a week..

Tough Old Man

If you could handle the one injection, I'd do just one.

I found that I can't handle more then 1 cc of test Cyp for some reason. So I start another cycle probably tomorrow with only 11 days off because of the training I start tomorrow. I will do the following cycle for the next 6 weeks

Wk 1-3 D-bol @ 30 mgs
Wk 1-6
Mon. Test Cyp 1 cc.250 mgs, deca 300mgs. Eq 1 cc 200 mgs
Wed. Test cyp 1 cc, Eq 1.5 cc's
Fri. Test cyp 1 cc, Eq 1.5 cc

So Test @ 750 mgs, EQ @ 800 mgs, Deca 300 mgs for joints. Total Mgs of gear per week will be 2060 for 3 weeks and 1850 for the last three weeks

Tough

Tha Don

thanks for the replies guys, i'm pretty much set on the test/primo now, seems like 250mg and 400mg (would run 600mg but its pricey shit, and i think 650mg of juice a week is plenty for me)

redflash

youngd,

Primo converts to dihydrotest more easily than most so if you have any tendency toward male pattern baldness then this will accelerate it more than most.

Otherwise, you're right, primo is one of the safest, and great for adding pure anabolics to an adrogenics-plus-anabolics cycle.

Hope this helps,

Flash

Pirate!

Best of luck with your cycle, bro.

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Tha Don

thanks for your support pirate, its unfortunate that i've had to cut both of my previous cycles short, hopefully this time i will be able to see things through properly

Tha Don

there is no history of MPB in my family, and i've noticed no hair-loss on any of my previous cycles, TBH gyno and BP are the too that always seem to get me, so in that respect primo seems like a firm choice, and its quite mild so 400mg/wk should be quite tolorable, i've known guys to run upto 1g a week of it, but its rare due to the price and the fact that its normally sold 100mg/ml! running primo gets pricey very quick, unless you know a decent UG lab that produces it in higher concentrations

celt

Good luck with the cycle bro. I like the look of it (test/primo) hope it works out for ya, and keep us updated!

PWGriffin

You haven't finished a solid cycle yet, I think you should give up gear altogether, ur body doesn't like it. I'm afraid ur going to get hurt or have to wear a bra.

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Tha Don

mindless comments like the one above only make me more determined to cycle again, and its pretty funny considering you know nothing about my previous cycle history

i've ran a 1ad and 4ad cycle with very pleasant results and no side effects whatsoever, and then a dbol and S1+ cycle with mind blowing gains! which i decided to end early because my test was fake, i completed both with no problems apart from a little gyno on the latter, which cleared in due time

my last cycle i over-ate and added too much fat, and my BP went a little high (i guess thats the hearts reaction to adding 20lbs in the space of a month!) so i decided to cut on lower doses, and again got some nice results retaining all of my strength

i'm a smart, well-educated young man, do you really think i am going to run another cycle if i thought i was taking any serious health risks? do you really think i'd risk my good health over a set of big muscles? you're an idiot

PWGriffin

Don't know ur past cycle history?? I've been here the WHOLE time dude...You've had gyno problems TWICE and the last time you were even running an AI, or so you said...If ur nose didn't start bleeding last time telling u to check ur BP, you might've had a goddamn stroke...Obviously ur diet fuckin sucks for you to put on a stupid amount of fat like that....You've never done a SENSIBLE, SIMPLE cycle....always stackin shit even though you ALWAYS have PROBLEMS. BUT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING AND ARE SO EXPERIENCED SO IT'S OK. I'll take this pill for that and this pill for that and blah blah. The fuckin day after you quit the last cycle u were planning the next one. I haven't had the first fucking problem or serious sides and take a more conservative approach than you.

EVERY time you run AAS you are taking risks....and for you the risks are apparently greater as you've had complications the last two times you've tried. A smart, educated young man would put the shit down and concentrate on his diet and training regimen for a couple years then take another shot at it...I want to compete proffessionally in the years to come and have more on the line than you, and am STILL taking a more conservative approach, so as to see how my body holds up.

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TJ Cline

I think you both are correct.

Young just run a Low dose Test only cycle like this...

1-8 Test E or Cyp 300-375mg a week
1-9 Nolvadex 20mg ED
PCT

Tha Don

WRONG DICKHEAD, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY I'M 13% RIGHT NOW AND EATING WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, SUGARS, FATS, CHOCOLATE, AND I'M NOT PUTTING ON ANY FAT AT ALL! MY DIET ON STEROIDS WAS MUCH MUCH CLEANER, AND I PUT ON MUSCLE VERY FAST, BUT I'M NOT AFTER BULK, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET THAT SORT OF WEIGHT ON ME SO FAST, AAS INCREASE FAT STORAGE, NO FUCKIN DOUBT ABOUT IT, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT UR IGNORANT PRICK