Thread: prop/tren cutter

150 mg Prop/ 100 mg Tren EOD

I recommend not using nolva with tren, as it might increase your responsiveness to progesterone. Aromasin at 12.5 mg ED or EOD will suffice.

I'd leave the clen out and start the T3 at 25 mcg/day and work up to 100 mcg/day.

The PCT protocol you plan to use is not ideal for short esters, IMO. It will delay your recovery. Use HCG the last few weeks you are still on.

It does matter where you shoot. I recommend at least 6 sites in your rotation.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

150 mg Prop/ 100 mg Tren EOD

I recommend not using nolva with tren, as it might increase your responsiveness to progesterone. Aromasin at 12.5 mg ED or EOD will suffice.

I'd leave the clen out and start the T3 at 25 mcg/day and work up to 100 mcg/day.

The PCT protocol you plan to use is not ideal for short esters, IMO. It will delay your recovery. Use HCG the last few weeks you are still on.

It does matter where you shoot. I recommend at least 6 sites in your rotation.

I think the prop I'm getting is dosed at 100mg/ml....

How quickly should I work up to 100mcg/day?

How much HCG then?? 500IU's 2x a week? If I'm taking aromasin on cycle should I just keep taking it right into PCT and just add nolv @ 20 mgs a day?? Start nolva maybe 1 week after last injection?? And how long do you think I should run the HCG?? Into PCT?? Or finish with the HCG just before I start taking nolva??

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

And how long do you think I should run the HCG?? Into PCT?? Or finish with the HCG just before I start taking nolva??

Drop the HCG before you begin PCT. HCG stimulates natural test production by mimicing LH which signals the leydig cells to produce test, but it is suppressive to your hypothalamus annd pituitary gland. This makes it counter-productive for PCT because you want your entire HPTA up and running again, which can't be done when using HCG.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Drop the HCG before you begin PCT. HCG stimulates natural test production by mimicing LH which signals the leydig cells to produce test, but it is suppressive to your hypothalamus annd pituitary gland. This makes it counter-productive for PCT because you want your entire HPTA up and running again, which can't be done when using HCG.

Yeah I've read that before.....do you have any input on my other questions?? I'm ordering the gear like tomorrow...

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Yeah I've read that before.....do you have any input on my other questions?? I'm ordering the gear like tomorrow...

Dosing HCG sort of depends on how quickly you shut down. I shut down fairly quickly, in a matter of 2 weeks or so, so I start it around week 3 and 500 iu every 3 or 4 days does it for me, but you'll be able to tell when your system is starting to shut down. As far as the aromasin goes, you'll want to drop that before PCT, because it's an aromatase inhibitor. During PCT, you need to control your estrogen levels, you don't want them being nonexistent. For me, aromatase inhibitors are hell on my lipids. I've used arimidex in the past and my HDL dropped incredibly low, so my doctor advised me to drop it, so I did and just stuck with nolva throughout the cycle as well as for PCT. You also don't want to start PCT at 20mg's of nolva, you need to start higher and taper down over a number of weeks.

Your PCT could be along the lines of 4 weeks at 60/40/40/20 mg's of nolva ED or so.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Dosing HCG sort of depends on how quickly you shut down. I shut down fairly quickly, in a matter of 2 weeks or so, so I start it around week 3 and 500 iu every 3 or 4 days does it for me, but you'll be able to tell when your system is starting to shut down. As far as the aromasin goes, you'll want to drop that before PCT, because it's an aromatase inhibitor. During PCT, you need to control your estrogen levels, you don't want them being nonexistent. For me, aromatase inhibitors are hell on my lipids. I've used arimidex in the past and my HDL dropped incredibly low, so my doctor advised me to drop it, so I did and just stuck with nolva throughout the cycle as well as for PCT. You also don't want to start PCT at 20mg's of nolva, you need to start higher and taper down over a number of weeks.

See that kinda worries me a little bit...I don't have medical insurance right now as I've changed jobs and won't have access to a doctor as you do...so if somethings gets fucked like my BP (yeah I can get that checked without a doc) or cholesterol gets fucked.... I prob won't even know...

So aromasin on cycle and drop it post cycle...drop the HCG post cycle and just do nolv @ say 60/40/40/20 probably a week after last injection...Damn I will be injecting 5x a week..this is gonna suck maximum ass...

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

See that kinda worries me a little bit...I don't have medical insurance right now as I've changed jobs and won't have access to a doctor as you do...so if somethings gets fucked like my BP (yeah I can get that checked without a doc) or cholesterol gets fucked.... I prob won't even know...

So aromasin on cycle and drop it post cycle...drop the HCG post cycle and just do nolv @ say 60/40/40/20 probably a week after last injection...Damn I will be injecting 5x a week..this is gonna suck maximum ass...

I'm not sure what to reccomend about running a cycle without medical insurance, but if I were you, I would at least get a full physical, bloodwork, EKG etc. before you start anything because if you find a problem before you're on, chances are it could get worse with anabolic use. I'd also tell your doctor what your plans are and everything you're going to take, so he can have that in mind while checking you out.

I'm not sure what kind of HCG you have, but I shot mine with diabetic pins right around my naval area. Get used to needles if you're running a cycle with ED/EOD shots.

I don't think using aromasin for pct after short esters will be beneficial, but I see how it could help when you are still waiting for long esters to clear. I plan to use aromasin during this upcoming pct.

You can get cholesterol and other bloodwork done through HEB pharmacy for pretty cheap. Also, buy your own BP monitor.

As for T3, you could start at 25 mcg and raise the dose by 12.5 mcg/day until you are at 100 mcg or can't stand the heat.

Use insulin pins for HCG. Why did you chose short esters if you don't want to shoot frequently?

Someone should have said this before, but using tren on a first cycle is ill-advised.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I don't think using aromasin for pct after short esters will be beneficial, but I see how it could help when you are still waiting for long esters to clear. I plan to use aromasin during this upcoming pct.

You can get cholesterol and other bloodwork done through HEB pharmacy for pretty cheap. Also, buy your own BP monitor.

As for T3, you could start at 25 mcg and raise the dose by 12.5 mcg/day until you are at 100 mcg or can't stand the heat.

Use insulin pins for HCG. Why did you chose short esters if you don't want to shoot frequently?

Someone should have said this before, but using tren on a first cycle is ill-advised.

Uh, it's not my first cycle....damn does no one know me on this forum yet??

I don't have any problems shooting frequently....but I haven't ever used short esters before and I'll be using a different companies gear and I'm on a different split now as well....never used HCG or an AI....just trying to get all my ducks in a row this time and not half assing it....that's the reason for all the questions, sorry...

So an AI post cycle isn't worth the trouble? Just a lil nolvadex is all? Run aromasin and hcg both on cycle up until pct....when do you suggest dropping those two?? Just after last injection??