Thread: PCT without Nolvadex

Yes, use Adex at .25 mg/day. You could also try raloxifene at 120 mg/day. How long since your cycle ended and when did you stop taking nolva?

Ended about two weeks ago, stopped the Nolva a week ago.

I only keep nolva on hand in case of gyno personally.

Originally Posted by Tier

I only keep nolva on hand in case of gyno personally.

What do you use for PCT then?

Ever try low dose clomid?

I only use rxt and anabmatrx but I wait 4 months in between cycles.

Fuck Clomid. If nolva screws up his eyes, clomid will blind him. I'd stick with adex. It will be a good week before you could get your hands on some raloxifene, which may cause the same vision problem--though, I have yet to hear that complaint about raloxifene.

Ditto on the "Fuck Clomid." Even before Nolva messed my eyes up, I avoided Clomid out of fear of vision problems.

If Adex will work, I'll stick with that as I haven't heard any possibilites of vision problems using it. If Raloxifene has the potential, I'll avoid it.

I don't think Adex raises natural test levels back to normal.....does it?

Originally Posted by topolo

I don't think Adex raises natural test levels back to normal.....does it?

Because AIs lower estrogen, your hypothalamus isn't signalled to halt GnRH production. GrRN --> FSH/LH --> Testosterone

Is this really a common side to using Nolva and Clomid? I never had a problem with my sight. How common is this Pirates?

Originally Posted by Guru

Is this really a common side to using Nolva and Clomid? I never had a problem with my sight. How common is this Pirates?

It's very rare with Nolvadex, more common with Clomid, though still not overly usual. Clomid does tend to cause some people to see spots or things temporarily, though.

From Nolvadex.com:

If I start taking NOLVADEX therapy, should I watch for any unusual symptoms or undergo any special monitoring?

Promptly report any new breast lumps, menstrual irregularities, abnormal vaginal bleeding, change in vaginal discharge, pelvic pain or pressure, leg swelling or tenderness, unexplained shortness of breath, or changes in vision because they may be signs of serious side effects that may occur with NOLVADEX therapy. It is generally accepted that endometrial sampling is not required unless symptoms of early endometrial cancer occur.

HMMM ok thanks

Something to add, my mother and grandmother both had breast cancer and both sufferered vision loss from tamoxifen. Permanent in both cases. Dont know if theres a genetic link, or gender specific.

Originally Posted by nsimmons

Something to add, my mother and grandmother both had breast cancer and both sufferered vision loss from tamoxifen. Permanent in both cases. Dont know if theres a genetic link, or gender specific.

*Grabs balls* Not gender specific.

Yeah, I'm not interested in going blind, so I stopped taking it. I've noticed my vision hasn't gotten worse when I'm off of Nolva, so I assume it's just cumulative while on it.

My sight was so bad from Clomid that almost couldn't drive home one night and considered asking my gf to drive. I wasn't drinking, either. My condition was temporary, thankfully. Nolva doesn't give me that same problem.

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wow I've never even heard of that being a side effect of nolva, I've heard it with clomid but was always told it's temporary?

arimidex will bring your test levels back up but will cause estrogen rebound when you come off, aromasin would be a much better option. Not ideal but if you're dead sure it's the nolva then I guess you don't have much choice. Also look into triptorelin, there's not a ton of research on it for restoring test levels but from what's out there it's very effective.

I used clomid for the first time during my last PCT and at 100mg ED (first 2 weeks) I experienced major tracers every morning right after waking. Within 30 mins or so they were gone and at lower doses (75 or 50mg) no problems at all. Nolvadex has never cause any vision issues for me.

wait the eyesight issues with nolvadex are permanent?????

Never read about vision problems with either... Hmmmm

Originally Posted by BP2000

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Why would you bump a 5 year old thread?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

wow I've never even heard of that being a side effect of nolva, I've heard it with clomid but was always told it's temporary?

arimidex will bring your test levels back up but will cause estrogen rebound when you come off, aromasin would be a much better option. Not ideal but if you're dead sure it's the nolva then I guess you don't have much choice. Also look into triptorelin, there's not a ton of research on it for restoring test levels but from what's out there it's very effective.

Another guy used Toremifene in place of Nolva. Said his balls came screaming back w/in 3 day's.

I like this thred, lets get strait to the point nolva is the best with gyno and clod is the best with your test now what i want to know is how often are the sides? If i get sides like nessed up eyes as i am short sighted will it stay or will it go after or?

Originally Posted by Pika

I like this thred, lets get strait to the point nolva is the best with gyno and clod is the best with your test now what i want to know is how often are the sides? If i get sides like nessed up eyes as i am short sighted will it stay or will it go after or?

THat is what I am curious too as well. What % of the ppl who take Clomid report eyesight spot's as a side effect.

I am a pilot so taking something that could potentially effect my eyesight would be a costly mistake.

this is interesting, seems like this is rare since there hasn't been another thread on this in five years. I would guess that vision side effects may be blood pressure related.

No1 talking?