Adding Deca.

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 04:48 PM

Well.... if one were used to doing Dinabol and Test Enth for about 4 good cycles, and was approaching the 1 gram mark per week on Test E... what do you think about adding Deca or EQ into the mix as to compliment the Test, and still allow yourself growth without going over the 1 gram Test mark?

TrojanMan60563 · 04-30-2006, 05:02 PM

there is nothing wrong with adding some deca to that....just know that you will retain a lot more water with that addition. (I know I did)

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 05:06 PM

I figured it would not be wrong, but maybe what Im curious about is, how much test is TOO much, when I could be adding a second drug and keeping them both in lower levels per week?

TrojanMan60563 · 04-30-2006, 05:15 PM

well 1 gram of test per week is a hefty dose for most people....I've heard of pros taking 2500mg per week....but that is insane IMO.

I think you could keep your test the dame or drop the dose and add the deca. You didn't mention how much dbol you take. Next time I bulk I would like to run a cycle like this.

1-12 Test E 500mg
1-10 Deca 400mg
1-4 Dbol 30mg

You can raise those doses or lower them to meet your needs....like 1 gram test and 600mg deca is probably ok for someone like you that has experience running higher doses of AAS.

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 05:17 PM

Im at 40mg dbol daily
About 900 mg of Test E weekly

Thats it... but im a big guy... about 6'3 240.

Maybe 800mg of test and 500 deca?

TJ Cline · 04-30-2006, 05:58 PM

No need to keep uping the Test dose every or every other cycle. You should be able to keep growing fine on 500-750mg a week, if your not then check your training ( do you ever mix it up or just do HIT year after year) and your diet.

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 06:08 PM

No, I have been using HST since January. Now I have moved on to Ironmans training for the next 18 weeks.

I was under the impression that I needed to up the dose, albeit slowly a bit every cycle? Was I incorrect?

TJ Cline · 04-30-2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

No, I have been using HST since January. Now I have moved on to Ironmans training for the next 18 weeks.

I was under the impression that I needed to up the dose, albeit slowly a bit every cycle? Was I incorrect?

Well eventually you do but for me personally I did about 6 cycles with 500mg and grew every time, but each cycle you grow less and that is very normal. I look at steroids like normal training, at first you grow very fast but then after time it is slow and steady.

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 06:16 PM

Sounds reasonable.

Ill keep my dosing at about 750 per week.

While your in here, Im seriously considering going long term on this cycle... maybe even doing a competition next summer..

Since you have quite a bit of experience in this matter, what are your suggestions, recommendations, cycling thoughts, etc?

**Mudge** · 04-30-2006, 06:19 PM

I dropped down to 500mg of test and still hold 245+ with ease, not a lot of drugs are needed if the diet is in place (mine could be better, no doubt). At the moment though I'm clean once again.

Anyhow, as a person in your profession would deca really be a good idea? I dont find it that exciting myself and honestly I'd worry about the possibility of a drug test. I'd rather toss in an oral for a few weeks if I really felt the desire for something else.

TJ Cline · 04-30-2006, 06:19 PM

I don't know much about cycles over 10 weeks.....I have never gone over 10 weeks myself. But If you were going to run say a 16 week cycle you need to change it up a bit in week 8 or 9.

Example
1-16 750mg test
1-14 Deca 400mg
9-16 Tren A 100mg EOD

camarosuper6 · 04-30-2006, 06:23 PM

Well... I no longer do that full time. And tests are so rare, its basically unheard of, but I understand your position.

If anything, I will probably just stick to the basic test, maybe throw in EQ later on, but right now its not broke.

No reason to fix it.

Thanks for the replys.. appreciated.

Tough Old Man · 05-01-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Im at 40mg dbol daily
About 900 mg of Test E weekly

Thats it... but im a big guy... about 6'3 240.

Maybe 800mg of test and 500 deca?

Leave the test where it was and just add the Deca or Eq. Deca @ 450 or Eq @ 600 will work

Nachez · 05-01-2006, 11:02 PM

I wonder how id grow on that cycle?

skaterdude · 05-01-2006, 11:38 PM

and make sure you keep the test higher than the deca to avoid the "deca dick" but at test near 1g a week i dount you would put anything near that in deca in you.

also be on gaurd for gyno on deca as some are more pron to it with deca.

(first post)

Tha Don · 05-02-2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I dropped down to 500mg of test and still hold 245+ with ease, not a lot of drugs are needed if the diet is in place (mine could be better, no doubt). At the moment though I'm clean once again.

hows training going clean mudge? losing much size/strength? whats the diet like? i'm interested to know how hard it is to maintain gains from AAS when on natural test levels, if diet and training are both sorted do you think that the majority of gains from AAS could be kept for some time?

**Mudge** · 05-02-2006, 11:01 PM

That all depends how much you gain, where your genes are, diet, training etc

Strength is harder for me to maintain than size, although lower body strength never suffers like the upper body does for me.

Tough Old Man · 05-03-2006, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

That all depends how much you gain, where your genes are, diet, training etc

Strength is harder for me to maintain than size, although lower body strength never suffers like the upper body does for me.

Man is that true for me also. I know some people say they hold there strength after a cycle. I don't know how. For me within a week or two the upper body strength goes straight into the toilet for a few weeks and then starts tapering off and stabilizing.

Nachez · 05-03-2006, 01:54 PM

I guess that has to do either with the human genetic limit or
other reasons

04-30-2006, 04:48 PM	#1
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	Adding Deca. Well.... if one were used to doing Dinabol and Test Enth for about 4 good cycles, and was approaching the 1 gram mark per week on Test E... what do you think about adding Deca or EQ into the mix as to compliment the Test, and still allow yourself growth without going over the 1 gram Test mark?
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04-30-2006, 05:06 PM	#3
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	I figured it would not be wrong, but maybe what Im curious about is, how much test is TOO much, when I could be adding a second drug and keeping them both in lower levels per week?
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04-30-2006, 05:17 PM	#5
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	Im at 40mg dbol daily About 900 mg of Test E weekly Thats it... but im a big guy... about 6'3 240. Maybe 800mg of test and 500 deca?
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04-30-2006, 05:58 PM	#6
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	No need to keep uping the Test dose every or every other cycle. You should be able to keep growing fine on 500-750mg a week, if your not then check your training ( do you ever mix it up or just do HIT year after year) and your diet. Last edited by TJ Cline : 04-30-2006 at 06:09 PM.
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04-30-2006, 06:08 PM	#7
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	No, I have been using HST since January. Now I have moved on to Ironmans training for the next 18 weeks. I was under the impression that I needed to up the dose, albeit slowly a bit every cycle? Was I incorrect?
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

04-30-2006, 05:02 PM	#2
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,956 Photos: 1	there is nothing wrong with adding some deca to that....just know that you will retain a lot more water with that addition. (I know I did)

04-30-2006, 05:15 PM	#4
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,956 Photos: 1	well 1 gram of test per week is a hefty dose for most people....I've heard of pros taking 2500mg per week....but that is insane IMO. I think you could keep your test the dame or drop the dose and add the deca. You didn't mention how much dbol you take. Next time I bulk I would like to run a cycle like this. 1-12 Test E 500mg 1-10 Deca 400mg 1-4 Dbol 30mg You can raise those doses or lower them to meet your needs....like 1 gram test and 600mg deca is probably ok for someone like you that has experience running higher doses of AAS.

04-30-2006, 06:16 PM	#9
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	Sounds reasonable. Ill keep my dosing at about 750 per week. While your in here, Im seriously considering going long term on this cycle... maybe even doing a competition next summer.. Since you have quite a bit of experience in this matter, what are your suggestions, recommendations, cycling thoughts, etc?
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

04-30-2006, 06:19 PM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I dropped down to 500mg of test and still hold 245+ with ease, not a lot of drugs are needed if the diet is in place (mine could be better, no doubt). At the moment though I'm clean once again. Anyhow, as a person in your profession would deca really be a good idea? I dont find it that exciting myself and honestly I'd worry about the possibility of a drug test. I'd rather toss in an oral for a few weeks if I really felt the desire for something else.
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04-30-2006, 06:23 PM	#12
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	Well... I no longer do that full time. And tests are so rare, its basically unheard of, but I understand your position. If anything, I will probably just stick to the basic test, maybe throw in EQ later on, but right now its not broke. No reason to fix it. Thanks for the replys.. appreciated.
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

05-01-2006, 11:02 PM	#14
Nachez Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 458	I wonder how id grow on that cycle?
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05-01-2006, 11:38 PM	#15
skaterdude Rollerblader Join Date: May 2006 Location: Escondido Posts: 273	and make sure you keep the test higher than the deca to avoid the "deca dick" but at test near 1g a week i dount you would put anything near that in deca in you. also be on gaurd for gyno on deca as some are more pron to it with deca. (first post)

05-02-2006, 11:01 PM	#17
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	That all depends how much you gain, where your genes are, diet, training etc Strength is harder for me to maintain than size, although lower body strength never suffers like the upper body does for me.
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05-03-2006, 01:54 PM	#19
Nachez Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 458	I guess that has to do either with the human genetic limit or other reasons
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