Thread: Stacks?

Forget the winny tabs. Listen you obviously don't do much research. Take 1 of the orals with some Test E or Test Cyp. Do not run two orals together. If your looking for a liver transplant in the future, go for it. Now I know the problem here. Your a little girl who's afraid of needles right? No needles, no gear.

You've been training inconsistantly for 3.5 yrs..and already popped your gear cherry??

Son, you need to lay off the AAS and get your training and diet in hand, its HIGHLY unlikely that you're anywhere close to your natural lean body max...

That means any gains you make, will be lost, no matter what you do for PCT.

Why? Cause the signals you are sending your body is: recent muscle protein is a potential fuel source to meet energy deficit.

Holy Shit! Another novel concept!!

Don't throw these steroids at your cells and swamp all them lovely nuclear receptors in liver and brain (beyond the ones in muscle) until the liver and brain have been signalled by muscle that its hit the lean mass accumulation wall.

Until then, easy come, easy go!

Thx for the input guy's, I respect everything you have said.
Although I have been training inconsistently, I have actually been consistent for the last 2 yrs at least out of the 3 1/2 yrs I've been training.
My 2nd cycle of DBol and Primo was both in tablet form (made the primo myself from powder form.
I did keep almost all of my gains from that cycle though(about 1 stone).
I think my main problem is my diet, I keep telling myself that because it is difficult for me to have a consistently good diet, I rely mainly on vitamin tab's, creatine, protein shakes and liquid amino's etc.
Do u think this is sufficient? as I work long hr's most of my spare time that I dont have I'm in the gym
I mean I do eat little and often but have never really gained much in weight.
As soon as I started my 2nd cycle with the DBol and Primo I got good results which have stayed with me.
As for the needles, Im trying to do it without the knowledge of my girlfriend as she would freak out big time, I dont think I could do it with out her knowing.

I respect that you've come here for advice. The key to your success lies in fixing your diet. If you are williing to be taught about how to eat, you will get what all the steroids can't offer you. There are no quick fixes, not even with diets. There is much to learn and it will take time and effort. Visit the Diet Forum and let the magic begin. Remember, consistancy is the key to success. Real change takes much persistance, time, and loads of patients. You're on your way...

If you only exercised consistantly for two out of 3.5 yrs (even if it was the last two), there is no way you could done two cycles and seen much a true chemically assisted mass and strength improvement..in what, less than 2 yrs of real training? You saw newbie gains, more likely. Without consistant diet and training, you're not going to get your moneys worth (never mind the risks/costs assumed) out of AAS use.

Out of curiosity, tell me this: is your gf going to freak because you use needles or because you use gear? Doesn't she have a right to know, since it changes personality traits and behaviors? Oh yeah, I would also be wondering, do these compounds also change gamete quality and quantity? Just in case you're thinking of reproducing.

Originally Posted by Chopper77

As for the needles, Im trying to do it without the knowledge of my girlfriend as she would freak out big time, I dont think I could do it with out her knowing.

You have a lot to learn my friend. she's a girlfriend, not your wife. Girlfriends come and go and (Oh shit what an I thinking here as most marriages end in "D") you have to live your life for you, not her. Jesus I'm old as I don't ever remember asking my girlfriend if I could do something. Stop being a whimp and you run your life. Now if you marry her then it's a honey how do you feel about this situatuion. But lad if your doing that now, shame on you as that chick is not your girlfriend but your boss.

Let me ask you something. 3 months from now you split up. 2 yrs from now something happens to you and your in the ground. Do you think that girls is coming to your funeral and walk up to the casket and say " Told you not to use that stuff:. Hell no she"s not even going to show up.

His values are just as valid as yours. Making sacrifices for the sake of a meaningful relationship is an honorable thing, even if it isn't macho.

However, I don't advise that you do anabolic steroids at this point. When you are ready, use injectible testosterone.

Originally Posted by Trouble

If you only exercised consistantly for two out of 3.5 yrs (even if it was the last two), there is no way you could done two cycles and seen much a true chemically assisted mass and strength improvement..in what, less than 2 yrs of real training? You saw newbie gains, more likely. Without consistant diet and training, you're not going to get your moneys worth (never mind the risks/costs assumed) out of AAS use.

Out of curiosity, tell me this: is your gf going to freak because you use needles or because you use gear? Doesn't she have a right to know, since it changes personality traits and behaviors? Oh yeah, I would also be wondering, do these compounds also change gamete quality and quantity? Just in case you're thinking of reproducing.

What are newbie gains per-say? I wouldn't say that I have newbie gains, at something like 10% b/f I would be 235 lbs at 6'3. I've been training since I was in 7th grade. Do you think the 4-5+ years of training set the base for the last year or so ( when I've done my most improvement. )

At 16, you're far from full maturity in strength and muscle mass development.

Easy does it, you're on the right path. When did you *really* have a clue on how to train, Jordan. Not in 7th grade, thats for sure. Most who start young tinker for several years with training until they learn technique and estabilish and follow a functional training program.

You sir, would be in the intermediate range for experience. However, your gains will come from the expression of genes that will add mass to your frame via adult gene expression remodeling of bone structure and muscle/connective tissue.

Thats a ways off yet. Patience. If you toy with AAS before that maturation is complete, you will short circuit the setting of adult natural maxiumum muscle mass setpoint. Additional gains from chemical assist will be reduced porportionately.

Originally Posted by Trouble

At 16, you're far from full maturity in strength and muscle mass development.

Easy does it, you're on the right path. When did you *really* have a clue on how to train, Jordan. Not in 7th grade, thats for sure. Most who start young tinker for several years with training until they learn technique and estabilish and follow a functional training program.

You sir, would be in the intermediate range for experience. However, your gains will come from the expression of genes that will add mass to your frame via adult gene expression remodeling of bone structure and muscle/connective tissue.

Thats a ways off yet. Patience. If you toy with AAS before that maturation is complete, you will short circuit the setting of adult natural maxiumum muscle mass setpoint. Additional gains from chemical assist will be reduced porportionately.

I don't plan on ever touching steroids ( even when I'm physical and mentally ready ). It's not in my agenda. Though their was no "tinkering" invovled. My routine in 7th grade looked like, Bench, Military Presses, Flys, Incline, and situps on a upper body day. Squats, leg curls & extensions, calve raises on lower body day. With correct form at that. I actually started lifting in 6th grade, but that was only benchpress, some body weight stuff, and incline/decline etc. As it is in most places ( well Texas at least ) football starts in 7th grade, and that's when you start lifting and doing speed training. In my town we're raised to eat, sleep, and breathe football. I've been under a squat rack since I was 11 years old. I've been under a bench since I was 10.

Most who start young tinker for several years with training until they learn technique and estabilish and follow a functional training program.

Note the operative word; you obviously had atypical early training guidance.

Originally Posted by Trouble

When did you *really* have a clue on how to train, Jordan. Not in 7th grade, thats for sure.

Just replying. I understand that. Luckily my brother ( MyCAT ) had a bit more experience then me and guided me along, and after that my coaches took over. I think you underestimate me. I think most people do. For a lot of people it's hard to believe the numbers I post about myself or friends etc. I think it's because they don't see these guys in their gyms, and don't realize how young kids are starting to train now a days. I know kids who can't grow facial hair yet that squat 300+ lbs. I know kids who don't have a drivers license yet squatting 500 lbs. It's genetics and a lifetime of training. I know guys who's voices haven't changed that have been training longer then most of the people on these forums.

Originally Posted by Pirate!

His values are just as valid as yours. Making sacrifices for the sake of a meaningful relationship is an honorable thing, even if it isn't macho..

Ya right. That would be like me having to get permission to stop and have a beer with the boys after work and she tell me no and I say o.k. That shit's no even going to happen with me. I'll call and tell her what I'm about to do. But she's not going to tell me what I can or can't do. Has nothing to do with being macho. I believe one thing. If you can't make yourself happy in this world, you can't make others around you happy. To hell with that crazy poop about trying to make the other happy and not yourself.

50% of aLL marriages end in "D". How many boyfriend / girlfriend end. Hell of a lot more then that. If a man starts letting a woman tell him once in a while what he can or can't do, she will eventually take over and tell him all the time what he can or can't do. Now 100% telling me what I can and can't do verses the probability greater then 50% of splitting up and I'm going to take what she tells me. Not this kid.