Thread: 1st cycle

Originally Posted by brandonmtaylor2

Researching 1st cycles came up with

wk 1-10 hgh (jin) 3iu/day, w/cytomel and Nolvadex
wk 2-9 deca (NORMA) 300mg/wk
wk 11-13 clomid

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26yrs old 5'6" 160 lbs.
Have a short mother and father, and I eat 4 meals a day I have a fast motabolism, I burn everything, been lifting for a yr. 3 times a week.I know I'm going to double my food intake and lifting program.

Not trying to get huge, never done juice, just want to grow alittle.

Any comments?

You really need to run HGH longer then 10 weeks. Try 6 months+.
Do not run Deca alone.

For first cycle try Test E 500mg a week.
Inject 250mg twice a week.

I already have 200 iu of jin and supposedly this should be ran with a test, and I found deca to be the safest, supposedly the two ( hgh and test) will complement eachother, also should I add dbol (oral)

and what else should I run with the Test E if I took your advise.

You are on the wrong path. I recommend you fix your diet and routine before using those drugs. I would sell the GH. Don't do Deca on your first cycle. Scrap the cytomel, too. Just use Testosterone and hcg if you have to juice. SERMS for pct.

Thank You Pirate Iv'e seen your posts everywhere.
Lets assume I fix my diet and routine , is Test E good 2 times a week at 250mg 500mg/wk and I've heard that deca durobolin is the most common steroid used and now im being told not to use it, and please more details about the hcg. Thanx

He is saying that Test E for a first cycle is going to already give you good gains. Using only one steroid for your first cycle is smart so you can see how your body reacts. Deca Durabloin does work good, but for your first cycle just try the test out. HCG is to bring your balls back to normal size, and bring test back to normal level.

Interesting BigPapa, what do you think of Jin? Sell it or use it? And dbol?

IMO no jin yet. HGH is really only used for the experienced monsters. You only lifting for 1 year and being only 160 pounds I wouldn't. Mine as well sell it. As far as the dbol goes its really up to you. I wouldnt on a first cycle, but you might want to hold on to it for a cycle down the road.

You run 500 mgs of deca without some form of Test and it's probably suppression city. Also greater chance of gyno using Deca and possibly longer term for recovery. Deca can stay in your system up to 18 months. Deca alone is just not a good choice.

Like everyone said, sell the GH and use Test only at 500 mgs split up twice a week. 250 Mon and Thurs will do it

How long do I run the test E 4-6wks? and is 500mg/wk to much im only 160lbs

And Hcg?

Originally Posted by brandonmtaylor2

How long do I run the test E 4-6wks? and is 500mg/wk to much im only 160lbs

Your bodyweight has nothing to do with your cycle. 500 mgs a week would be enough for your first cycle if you were 100 lbs or 300 lbs. Run it for 8-10 weeks. Usually after 8 weeks you stop seeing gains. If your lucky enough to still see gains after 8 weeks, extend it untoil they stop or 12 weeks which ever comes first. Get you some HCG and use it at 250 iu's once a week throughout the cycle to keep your testes from turning from walnuts to raisins. Have nolva on hand in case Gyno flares up and you can use it for PCT also.

Makes sense

Just for your info the reason I was so set on Deca durobolin is because of a past injury to my shoulder, I was told that Deca could help with this

If you just use deca, you will have zero testosterone--which is no fun for you or your girl.

I do think that weight should be considered for determining doses. 400 mg/wk is plenty, IMO. You still won't grow without the food, though. As for HCG, I recommend at least 200 iu every three days starting in week 2 and finishing a week after your last shot. Make sure to have extra nolva in case you start to get gyno on cycle.

What about deca with proviron and nolvadex

Nope. If you aren't ready for testosterone, you aren't ready for juice.

Originally Posted by Pirate!

Nope. If you aren't ready for testosterone, you aren't ready for juice.

AND THAT'S A FACT JACK. WELL PUT MR. "P"

I thought deca was considered a "test". I'm researching test e since you guys r set on it.

Originally Posted by brandonmtaylor2

I thought deca was considered a "test". I'm researching test e since you guys r set on it.

www.steroidtips.com
Read about steroids before you use them!!

Beginners Deca-Durabolin Cycle

A common one steroid cycle for a novice would be to inject 200-400mg of Deca once per week for 8 weeks. When combined with a healthy high protein diet, a person can expect to put on a good amount of size and strength. The results a person gets are dependent on a few things like diet, exercise routine, and rest. A beginner should start with about 200mg/week, and no more than 400mg/week.

I got this off of your source big p it says basically deca can be used as a novice first time cycle. I have been researching this for the past month and this is usually what I find about deca. And of coarse you can stack it with anything.

Test and Deca Cycle

This is a good basic mass building cycle for an intermediate steroid user. An effective dosage for an intermediate would be about 500mg of testosterone each week (i.e. Sustanon, Testosterone Cypionate, Testosterone Enanthate, etc...) and 200-300mg of Deca-Durabolin each week. It is a good idea to have 2 injections per week because of the volume of oil. For example, inject 1cc of Sustanon 250 and 1cc of Deca-Durabolin every Monday and Friday for 8 weeks

Same source big P
says deca and test is a more intermediate cycle
Maybe you need to read more
maybe you all need to read more.
You guys are just prooving my point

Originally Posted by brandonmtaylor2

Test and Deca Cycle

This is a good basic mass building cycle for an intermediate steroid user. An effective dosage for an intermediate would be about 500mg of testosterone each week (i.e. Sustanon, Testosterone Cypionate, Testosterone Enanthate, etc...) and 200-300mg of Deca-Durabolin each week. It is a good idea to have 2 injections per week because of the volume of oil. For example, inject 1cc of Sustanon 250 and 1cc of Deca-Durabolin every Monday and Friday for 8 weeks

Same source big P
says deca and test is a more intermediate cycle
Maybe you need to read more!!
maybe you all need to read more.
You guys are just prooving my point

Exactly its an intermediate cycle, and you are a newbie. Maybe you need to learn how to read. Everyone is trying to help you dont make yourself look like a fool trying to argue.

Originally Posted by brandonmtaylor2

Beginners Deca-Durabolin Cycle

A common one steroid cycle for a novice would be to inject 200-400mg of Deca once per week for 8 weeks. When combined with a healthy high protein diet, a person can expect to put on a good amount of size and strength. The results a person gets are dependent on a few things like diet, exercise routine, and rest. A beginner should start with about 200mg/week, and no more than 400mg/week.

I got this off of your source big p it says basically deca can be used as a novice first time cycle. I have been researching this for the past month and this is usually what I find about deca. And of coarse you can stack it with anything.

Some people do run deca only cycles and months down the road they wonder why they can't pop a boner. Its up to you though if you think that you are going to become a freak off of deca only you go ahead and do that.

How about this:
Increase you food intake and lift at least 4 times a week. You want to build more muscle.....feed them more. You don't need any steroids yet. And when you ARE actually ready, test alone will do. NEVER do a deca-only cycle. We are only trying to keep you from causing harm to yourself. We are not just doing this to be assholes.

Thanx P, I'm listening and appreciate the help, do you mind sharing with me why you says no deca im sure you have a good reason, and just for discussion sake what do you think of deca+hcg+nolv+clomid, and run hgc in the middle for 2 wks and then at the end for two weeks

I have also read that its a good idea to pyramid deca and what if it was a really light cycle, like 200mg/wk

First off, I think Nolva with Clomid is a waste. Just stick with Nolva for estrogen blockage. If you want an extra to throw in there for estrogen, use an aromatase inhibitor(AI) such as arimidex. There is no reason to run deca-only because it supresses your test completely. Deca is not Test, only test is test. With no natural test production and no exogenous test injections, you will have no test at all in your system. This means little energy, no labido, and no erections. If you take just Test, you won't shut down your natural test production completely and you will be adding synthetic in to your body. Your energy and intesity will be very high, you will be horny all the time and will be able to stay hard for a long time. Test has a considerably lower estrogen conversion rate (aromatization).

There are just no benefits of running Deca-only over a test-only cycle. Your first cycle will be best done with Test-only. Deca takes a long time to leave your system as well. It will supress your natural test production for a long time after you stop taking it, causing you to lose most, and possibly all, of your gains. Test doesn't do that.

Thanx Purdue
Just started running Jin for the fun of it at 3iu/ day. This is day 2 and have to say this stuff is potent
I already purchased the
Deca Norma 10x 200mg for an 8-10wk cycle, and
HGC 3x 5000iu and
nolvadex and
clomid and I have enough
Jin to run for 10 wks at 3iu/d

After your comments Im thinking of running
Winny as My Test since it is also an anti estrogen. What do you think,