djohnson143

Yes i know this is another question on AI's but before anyone asks yes I did a search and did some reading.

Ok so here is my question, in the past when on cycle i would always use nolvadex. But I have been doing more reading on letro and femera. I am very prone to gyno but dont want to loose my sex drive. So my question is could i run femera and arimidex at the same time then run nolva for pct. I am aware that when using femera there can be a big estrogen rebound so I was thinking that I could combat that with nolva.

This is by no means any form of a statement, all I want is some advice so please nobody hate on me im just trying to learn a little more.

Pirate!

There is no reason to use femera and arimidex together. Either will suffice. I prefer aromasin over those two, though. Using an AI while on and nolva during pct is the best way to approach it, IMO.

Ron Paul

Tough Old Man

Damn I have to agree w/ Pirate again. This is getting old

dg806

Just watch the AI's..............they can be harsh on your lipids.

www.sbmuscle.com

djohnson143

yeah i know femera can be harsh on my lipids, and pirate i read that whole post on aromisin but im just so unfamiliar with it i wasnt sure. Maybe ill give that a try. I just really dont want to kill my sex drive, i have never had a problem with it, and dont want to start now.

Pirate!

Fermera kills my sex drive and dries me out real bad. Adex just dries me out too bad and can lower my sex drive some. I've had no problems with aromasin. It has helped me keep estrogen in check without totally obliterating it. Too much aromasin would drive estrogen too low. Most abstracts I've read suggest that aromasin is more lipid friendly. I try to dose AIs conservatively with the idea being to use just enough to keep gyno away. Another option is proviron. For some, it helps out just enough with estrogen and keeps the libido healthy.

Ron Paul

c/o johnston

can an anti est. be used after your done with dianabol but still using deca during a cycle? will start with d-bol and deca same day. 400mg deca a week plus 20-30mg of dbol a day for 3-4wk max. but will cont. with deca for another 4-8 weeks after done with dbol. dont want bitch tits. can nolvadex be taken then, or what recomended to try to keep as much gains as possible while taken deca and get rid of tits if little signs appear?

Pirate!

If you lay out your proposed cycle more orderly so that we can make sense of it, perhaps we could help. I didn't see mention of test.

Ron Paul

c/o johnston

i just did last shot of test cyp yesturday. been doing that for about 6 weeks.
NEW CYCLE
wk1-10 400mg deca once a week

wk1-3 20-30mg of dbol a day (little more if recomended)
(either gonna do it 3 or 4 weeks. dont wanna destroy my liver)
---(whats good to take for the liver when taken dbol or A50? ive heard milk thistle and a few others)

After done with dbol was wondering if nolva could be used while still on deca for another 6or7 weeks. deca is very low if any of estrogen ive read. thats why i was wondering if an anti estrogen could be used while on deca. to avoid tits and or get rid of them if signs showing. got other questions about pct too. hows stuff like this work...Anabolic Xtreme PCT or Retain Cycle Stack.

dg806

Deca will activate progesterone receptors and d-bol will aggrevate this with circulating estogen and thus possible gyno. Blocking aromatase would not work. But inhibiting the estrogen receptor itself with clomiphene citrate (Clomid) or tamoxifen citrate (Nolvadex) might bring some relief since a large portion of progestagenic action is nullified if there is no circulating estrogen around. Though I do think Dostinex would work better for progesterone issues.

www.sbmuscle.com

c/o johnston

would Winstrol work better instead of dbol? or what would work best with dbol?

dg806

If you are set on Deca, run test with it(Enth or prop)
Keep some Nolva for gyno issues if it shows

www.sbmuscle.com

Trouble

Johnston, you sound remarkably naieve here. In fact, you are ignoring suggestions to use test with your cycle, and you are simply pulling compounds out of the air, hoping someone will lay out your cycle and PCT for you.

State your stats, please.

c/o johnston

yes, test that ive taken was good. reason i was looking to try something diff with d-bol is test plus d-bol is alot of test that will convert to est. k? if i stay with all this test, whats your opion when i should take nolvadex? i dont wanna take nolva to soon or to late. another reason i want to try sustanon is because it has 4 diff. test in it according to the Anabolics 2000 book and other resource i've read. yes, someone that has done a pct and done it right i'd accept their recomendations on how do do it right. thanks

Pirate!

As Trouble pointed out today in another thread, to properly attempt to give advice on gear use, it requires a specific information from the person requesting it and intending to use the advice provided through this forum.

Effective today, Tuesday, August 22. 2006, in order to post a request for advice or feedback for anabolics usage, you must provide the following info in your initial post to your thread topic:

1) Age
2) Weight and Percent BodyFat
3) Years of Consistant Training experience
4) Previous Cycle experience
5) Training routine and Diet
6) Cycle Goals

Any specific questions you might have should be slanted to us reviewing your suggested cycle program. Do not expect us to fill in the blanks for you.

We expect you to have at the very least a rudimentary understanding of the compounds used; typical combinations employed; pre-cycle preparation and in-cycle / post-cycle supplemental support; AAS administration route; and knowledge of on-cycle specific dietary requirements.

Ron Paul

c/o johnston

iam 26, 200lbs and 13% body fat. been training for 7 years but consistent past 3 years. was a personal trainer untill now getting into being a cop. i train 6 days a week and do a workout and then give those muscle groups i do 2 days rest. its been workin use o.n. protein 2-3 time a day with milk. my eatting is chicken or beef. i put fuit in when i can. iam redoing my kitchen so i dont have a stove to cook vegies. i dont have sink so i dont use pans since cant wash them. i use paper plates and stuff like that for 1 more week. cycle goal is get around consistent 210-220. ill be around big criminals and play semi pro football and basketball. i have use cypionate past 6weeks and just got done this week. will have new products in 1-2 wk max. better? thanks

Pirate!

If you just ended a cycle, you should be doing pct right now and wait a few more months before starting another. Based on your desire to do nandrolone and keep test sides to a minimum, I recommend you use nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) instead of nandrolone deconate and use test prop.

Something like this:

Test Prop 125 mg EOD
NPP 100 mg EOD

You can throw in some dbol if you feel the need, but be prepared for bloat and gyno. Use an AI and Nolva or Raloxifene to deal with those.

What are you doing for PCT right now?

Ron Paul

c/o johnston

i was gettn ready to do 6oxo for PCT. i dont have nolvadex. iam getn it for the next cycle. ill have it in 2 weeks. can i take the nolva then? since i just took a shot of cyp 3 days ago aint i suppost to wait at least a week for pct? i was thinkn about what you just recomended, since i have read of it and it would be quick and good, but sometimes its hard 4 me to stick once a week. EOD might be tough. know what i mean. reason i was wantn dbol is its quick too, (like u said bloat and gyno are there) but i know gains can be lost quick if not taken care of as soon as some1 gets off of it. safeist ways (min est. if any) is to do juice with cycles of eod aint it. with cycle you put down, do they stay with or lose quick or at all like dbol? thanks

c/o johnston

i type some words in wrong areas. i ment lose quick like dbol does. another 1 was Test Prop does have side effects. iment Durabolin effects are fewer than deca. sorry for that bad typing

c/o johnston

i just read something you typed. they make an oral of NPP?

Pirate!

There is no oral NPP, just injectible. I'd get nolva for pct right now. 6-oxo isn't sufficienct. Since test cyp takes a while to clear, you still have time to get a proper pct for this cycle. I recommend you focus on this pct before forming you rnext cycle.

If you aren't prepared to stick yourself atleast every three days, I'd say you need to work on that before starting another cycle.

Most "gains" can be kept, but you will lose all the extra water. People take dbol and think they have gained 20 lbs when in fact they gained and kept 2 lbs of muslce and 2 lbs of fat after the water leaves. Most real muscle growth can be kept post cycle if all the proper measures are taken.

Ron Paul

Trouble

Hmm Unusual syntax. English is not your primary language, is it, Johnston?

c/o johnston

1 more question. iam gonna do the eod stickn without dbol. do i take nolva while doing that test prop and NPP? thanks again

Pirate!

I'd advise to keep nolva or raloxifene handy in case gyno pops up. Otherwise, I wouldn't use it.