Summer Tren Cutter

**kicka19** · 03-02-2007, 11:20 AM

im currently dieting down and i am around 190 10%bf 5' 8". Gona start a new cycle in may, this is what im thinking

1-10 tren ace 100mg EOD
1-12 test prop 100 mg EOD
1-10 t3 50mcg ED ramped up
60-40-40-20 nolva

the thing is i have nevr use t3, anyone who has feel free 2 chime in with advise, no plans on using hcg because i bounce back pretty fast but do have some already if i feel the need. Main reason of t3 is for fat lost but also to fight the tren gyno, had it before an very suseptable, would t3 be enough to fight the prolactin levels thought is my main question? i have dosinex but plan on staying away due to the heart valve damage. my goals are to be around 5%bf at 210 after this cycle, before starting my current diet i was around 205 so 210 shouldnt be an issue

**Pirate!** · 03-02-2007, 12:00 PM

You will likely come off cycle with an atrophied thyroid. I'd keep the T3 to the last 6 weeks. Can't say if it will help with prolactin or gyno, but I doubt it. Do you have a reason why you shouldn't use hCG? So you plan to gain over 20 lbs of muscle and cut your fat in half?

**slip** · 03-02-2007, 08:25 PM

You have 171lb lean mass now and 19lb of fat

You plan to have 199.5lb lean mass, and 10.5lb fat

You plan to increase lean mass by 27.5lb, and decrease fat by 8.5lb at the same time.

How long do you see this taking you?

Is this physically possible on these drugs?

**ZECH** · 03-02-2007, 08:46 PM

If you have not used tren before 75mg will be plenty. You could even make good gains with 50mg.

**kicka19** · 03-02-2007, 08:48 PM

ive done 2 other tren cycles, does t3 not have anti-prolactin properties? i was under the assumption from another thread it did

**kicka19** · 03-02-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Pirate!

You will likely come off cycle with an atrophied thyroid. I'd keep the T3 to the last 6 weeks. Can't say if it will help with prolactin or gyno, but I doubt it. Do you have a reason why you shouldn't use hCG? So you plan to gain over 20 lbs of muscle and cut your fat in half?

how would i avoid an thryroid issues? as for hcg like i said my boy come back very quickly and less compounds the better IMO

**kicka19** · 03-02-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by slip

You have 171lb lean mass now and 19lb of fat

You plan to have 199.5lb lean mass, and 10.5lb fat

You plan to increase lean mass by 27.5lb, and decrease fat by 8.5lb at the same time.

How long do you see this taking you?

Is this physically possible on these drugs?

it can be done, maybe not 27lb of muscle but 15 should deff be possible with losen 8 or 9

**slip** · 03-03-2007, 12:31 AM

what sort of time frame?

**Pirate!** · 03-03-2007, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by kicka19

how would i avoid an thryroid issues? as for hcg like i said my boy come back very quickly and less compounds the better IMO

If you take T3, your TSH output will be very low. Lack of TSH stimulation will cause your thyroid to shutdown and atrophy. The best way to avoid it not to use thryoid hormones. If you are going to use them, the shorter the better. Most people seem to fine wit 6 weeks. This article covers just about everything you need to know about bringing your thryoid back to optimum after your cycle.

**kicka19** · 03-03-2007, 09:18 AM

would t3 be best used in burst cycles throughout the anabolic cycle?

**Pirate!** · 03-04-2007, 06:16 PM

Not IMO. Some people use 12.5 mcg/day the whole cycle to counter the steroid induced inhibition of the enzyme that converts T4 to T3. Basically, gear will lower your T3, which increases TSH. I wouldn't use T3 to reduce prolactin. Is that still your primary reason for wanting to take it?

**kicka19** · 03-04-2007, 07:08 PM

i was thinking about t3 more for fat loss but with the bonus of reduces prolactin, i just read on a nother board about how tren suppressed natural t4 to t3 conversion, im just looking for somthing other than dosinex for prolactin, also a mild burner in the mix

**Pirate!** · 03-04-2007, 07:27 PM

All androgens decrease the conversion of t4 to t3. Some adaptogens like ashwaghanda would be a good alternative to thyroid hormones on cycle. I'd feel safe using them for the whole cycle. Rhodiola is another good one. They generally improve your bodies response to stress, including cortisol management and keeping your metabolism up. Both are good natural fat burners, as well.

**TrojanMan60563** · 03-04-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Pirate!

All androgens decrease the conversion of t4 to t3. Some adaptogens like ashwaghanda would be a good alternative to thyroid hormones on cycle. I'd feel safe using them for the whole cycle. Rhodiola is another good one. They generally improve your bodies response to stress, including cortisol management and keeping your metabolism up. Both are good natural fat burners, as well.

What about taking gugglesterones during the whole cycle? I have not tried them yet but its natural and supposed to increase thyroid and function....I have thought about taking it PCT for T3 use, but do you think it would have a benefit on cycle....or even for PCT from T3 use? I was planning on running it for 4 weeks....like on a 6 week T3 cycle I would run the gugglesterones for the last 2 weeks of the T3 and another 2 weeks after...I was thinking this would be good...then again I have never used gugglesterones so they might not do sh*t.

**Pirate!** · 03-05-2007, 05:07 AM

I think gugglesterones are a good supplement for taking during a T3 PCT. I don't know if I'd bother taking them on a cycle of gear. Coleus forskolii is probably more effective. It should actually raise TSH.

**kicka19** · 03-25-2007, 07:18 PM

so bout to order my gear, heres the cutter ive come up with
bf is right around 9% so im planning on being around 5% by the end of this cycle, startn end of april

1-12 prop 100mg
1-10 tren ace 75-100mg
1-4 anavar 40-80mg, will start low and work up 2 tolerance
1-10 cabe .25-.5 E3D
pct
60-40-20-20 nolva

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