BigDyl

drop your calories while on cycle and not lose muscle?

Suppose you want to cruise along at 250-300 mg of test-e a week.


I was thinking of taking in 2000 calories a day which is roughly 1500 below maintenance + cardio.

Also what about carbs on cycle?

Total ownage.

ReproMan

So young, yet he's already given up on a clean diet and good old fashioned hard work....

BigDyl

Infraction.

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Mudge

1500 below maintenance plus cardio sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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BigDyl

Ok, what do you recommend?

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ShapeUP

lol, you're only 3 years older than him, lol

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ReproMan

Do you see me asking questions about steroid use??

Idiot.

ShapeUP

Oh wow, insults?

Nice way to participate in the forum.

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kicka19

this is a steroid forum son, dont like it than dont post

BigDyl

Actually his posts should have already waranted 2 infractions.

Total ownage.

ShapeUP

Apparently every person's body knows a specific age in years that you must reach before it determines itself safe to be taking AAS.

This age is apparently in the late 20's and if you take AAS before that time you will be seriously injured and never recover

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kicka19

i would say teens is moronic and noone would go that route if they werent utterly pathetic, early 20's is not advisable(granted I did), late twenties is more acceptable given the years of experience youll have by then

ShapeUP

Most people don't have enough experience when they start no matter what their age, to say late 20's is better is unfounded, either you are prepared physically and mentally or you aren't, age has nothing to do with this IMO. The body doesn't have a set date...oh I'm 28 now...bam...now my body will be perfect for using AAS. Each person is different, I know guys who did cycle when they were in high school no PCT and are fine. So the whole issue to me is ridiculous, but that's just me, IMO if you respond badly it is you, not your age. Safety is debatable, the worst thing any of the people I know have gotten from starting young is gyno and hairloss, oh yeah, and amazing results that they kept pretty easily.

I don't condone teen use though, for lack of sensible use.

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ReproMan

And you weigh 178lbs. Try working out before you stick needles in yourself. Son.

ReproMan

It's BigDyl asking an absolutely moronic question. Anyone else @ 24 years old asks that question and the thread gets locked.

ShapeUP

Perhaphs. I just don't share your anti-use perspective.

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ReproMan

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't have an anti-use perspective. There is a time and a place for it. But I'm 5'9" 210, never used, and I'm just as strong, if not stronger than someone that is 6'7" and using gear.

Now he's contemplating another cycle? Only this time he wants to eat 1500 calories under maintenance. As much as I don't get along with BigDyl, all of this sounds like a recipe for disaster and I hope he thinks twice about it. That is all.

kicka19

im also 5' 8" and weighed 205 before a cut, im probably around 8%bf right now, do the math son

kicka19

the math says that someone in there teens has no business strictly on experience to use gear, say there 18, how many years have they been traing, normally 2-4 years id say. how many years training correctly? probably 0-1 how many years with a good diet probably 0. The age isnt the factor it is the experience by that age, if there 28 and have trained for 2 years than no they dont know enough. Just look on this page and see the morons who wana use gear, they have no idea what there doing, some are 17, some are over 20% bf, get the experience up and know the consequences and your good to go

kicka19

ya you do have an anti-use perspective, ovious 1500 under maintence is a bad idea, that is why he asked. your being 28 and not using is your choice, we arnt saying noone should use gear, just make sure you know what your doing, the other post on this site some guy have been lifting for 6 months and is 21 and wants to run dbol? should he use, no. experience is the issue not his age. stay out of anabolic forum if you have no idea what you are talking about and are simply gona be a moron, its like me going to a feminist forum, i have no business there cause i have a meatstick, you dont belong here for the same reason

ReproMan

If I got down to 8% body fat I'd outweigh you by 12 lbs. And that's without gear. Thanks.

And once again, I don't have an anti-use perspective. For a shrimp like you, yes I do. When I get to the point where I absolutely have no other option in growing, then I'll consider using. But I'm far from that. I just laugh at all the hypocrisy that goes on in these threads.

I belong here just as much as you do btw. I've read almost every thread in this forum over the past year, educating myself. Preparing for the time I may use them. I'm not even 100% sure I ever will, but the thought is there.

FYI: The only moron I see is the 178lb fool that is using gear. I'll bet you're 23 too. Hypocrite.

kicka19

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I'm a self centered prick that doesn't give two shits about you. Write that one down. I work, I eat, I shit, I sleep. Any other questions? Right. "

thats directly from your myspace and we can tell by that you have a very open mind to help others .By the way you cut down to 8% bf and then you tell me how much you weigh son. Your a begginer in this game and have no business rippen on others.Im done posting in this thread, rip on cats all you want but untill you know somthing about gear use and who should use it just read and dont post, your family will thank you for the embarasment you cause them im sure

ReproMan

I'm not ripping on anyone, I just call em as I see em. You are the one that obviously doesn't know what he's doing or you'd know that you can retain LBM on a cut. Without gear.