Thread: 1st cycle finalized and PCT.

1. As far as this being good for first cycle is it sufficient?

It's potentially more than sufficient. Many people start with doses as low as 300 or 400mg/week and see nice results, so 500 is a very effective starting point.

2. And also is the dosage in the range where it will minimize gyno and other side effects occuring?

On a dose like this, some people won't have any gyno problems. Others will have problems at a dose half of this. It's all up to the person and their individual response. Have something like Arimidex on hand in case symptoms do arise. Arimidex or Letrozole will halt gyno in its tracks.

3. As far as PCT is concerned what should i go with Nolvadex or Clomid, and is a 30ml bottle enough for the PCT?

30ml of what? What's the dose? 20mg/ml? 60? 100? Need more info. And I would go with Nolvadex out of those two.

Originally Posted by musclepump

1. As far as this being good for first cycle is it sufficient?

It's potentially more than sufficient. Many people start with doses as low as 300 or 400mg/week and see nice results, so 500 is a very effective starting point.

2. And also is the dosage in the range where it will minimize gyno and other side effects occuring?

On a dose like this, some people won't have any gyno problems. Others will have problems at a dose half of this. It's all up to the person and their individual response. Have something like Arimidex on hand in case symptoms do arise. Arimidex or Letrozole will halt gyno in its tracks.

3. As far as PCT is concerned what should i go with Nolvadex or Clomid, and is a 30ml bottle enough for the PCT?

30ml of what? What's the dose? 20mg/ml? 60? 100? Need more info. And I would go with Nolvadex out of those two.

1. So is 500mg over doing it or is it still in the sufficient range for a beginner.

2. Understood regarding gyno but Ag-guys only have letrozole and its pretty pricey, but i guess you have to pay to play.

3. The Nolvadex was 30ml @ 25mg/ml.. so what should my dosage for PCT be?

Thanks man appreciate the help.

Also would a four week cycle of test C at 125mg ED be effective? I have seen guys try this quick cycle with results...

Originally Posted by Copia

Also would a four week cycle of test C at 125mg ED be effective? I have seen guys try this quick cycle with results...

No, bad idea. Go with 400 mg/wk for ten weeks.

It is better to have nolva on hand in case of gyno. AIs like arimidex and letro take time to help with gyno, whereas nolva works the same day. Letro is way to strong, so stay away from that. The best AI is aromasin. Arimidex is second to that. AG-guys carry all three.

30 mL of nolva or clomid is not enough. Clomid sucks. The best pct drug is toremifene (aka fasteron). Nolva is second to that.

Cypionate lasts 1 week so you dont inj it daily.
Do your reasearch on Cyp, Enan, Prop esters.
Agree with Pirate 400mg/week is plenty.
Moderation man. You can always go again.

Originally Posted by Pirate!

No, bad idea. Go with 400 mg/wk for ten weeks.

It is better to have nolva on hand in case of gyno. AIs like arimidex and letro take time to help with gyno, whereas nolva works the same day. Letro is way to strong, so stay away from that. The best AI is aromasin. Arimidex is second to that. AG-guys carry all three.

30 mL of nolva or clomid is not enough. Clomid sucks. The best pct drug is toremifene (aka fasteron). Nolva is second to that.

I learned about the ester and another member said to just do 500mg shot once a week for 5 weeks.

Also pirate why is a 4 or 5 week cycle bad? I thought the point of short term cycle was to get in and get out before the negative side effects started forming.

As far as gyno is concerned, Should I be taking Arimidex while doing the cycle and have Nolva on hand for gyno and pct? What I meant to ask was is one bottle of Nolva that ag-guys carry sufficient enough for my pct?

Originally Posted by VMSEddieF

Cypionate lasts 1 week so you dont inj it daily.
Do your reasearch on Cyp, Enan, Prop esters.
Agree with Pirate 400mg/week is plenty.
Moderation man. You can always go again.

I was told propionate would be the best choice for short 5 week cycle. and I am not ademint about 500mg that was just a starting point I am fine with taking 400mg a week and playing it safe.

Originally Posted by Copia

I learned about the ester and another member said to just do 500mg shot once a week for 5 weeks.

Also pirate why is a 4 or 5 week cycle bad? I thought the point of short term cycle was to get in and get out before the negative side effects started forming.

As far as gyno is concerned, Should I be taking Arimidex while doing the cycle and have Nolva on hand for gyno and pct? What I meant to ask was is one bottle of Nolva that ag-guys carry sufficient enough for my pct?

5 weeks is way to short especially when using a long ester. 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks is best way to go. as for getting in and out fast it doesnt really matter, if your shut down after week 2 already so who cares how long you stretch it out for so long as its not to long of an extented time that you cant bounce back 100%

I agree that 400mg for 10 weeks is better for a first cycle. I disagree that Letro "sucks" but that said, Nolva is sufficient.

How much you weight?