change in cycle, pct needed

**snoops** · 04-19-2008, 06:00 PM

I was originally planning on running prop for my first cycle but have decided not to. I havent completely decided yet, but Im either running test e or cyp for 8-10 weeks at 400mgs. I am also trying to get hcg for the cycle but im not completely sure Ill be able to get it. This leaves me wondering what I should do for pct. Torem or nolva or both? The reason I say this is because they are expensive and it seems like I would need to buy two bottles of torem to have enough for my pct (AG-Guys & Affiliates :: SERMs :: Fareston). This would be fine, but Im worried about the possibility of gyno and dont know if torem would be fine to combat it or if I would need nolva. I just cant afford to buy two bottles of torem and another bottle of nolva. So should I just drop the torem and use nolva for pct so Ill have it on hand during cycle if something goes wrong or would I be ok with having the two bottles of torem? Or I could even do one of each. Any thoughts?

age 21
5'9"
175 lbs
6 years training

**workingatit43** · 04-20-2008, 10:32 AM

I really have not read anywhere or have any knowledge of people running them both so i can not answer that from my limited knowledge i understand that Nolva is very good for the gyno aspect and the torem is less toxic. Pirate,Mudge or DG can answer you better. Good luck bro

**ZECH** · 04-20-2008, 11:40 AM

Either one will work for you. And Prop for 1st cycle is not really a good idea because of pinning so much. Better to get use to twice a week first.

**snoops** · 04-20-2008, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by dg806

Either one will work for you. And Prop for 1st cycle is not really a good idea because of pinning so much. Better to get use to twice a week first.

so are you saying Id be fine with the torem if I had gyno problems during cycle? And yeah, I changed my mind on prop because I didnt want to pin every other day for my first time. Any suggestions on which to go with, nolva or torem?

**Mudge** · 04-20-2008, 12:20 PM

I've still stuck with nolvadex for post cycle but torem interests me, a number of people believe though that it is actually counterproductive due to postings of lowered LH/FSH.

**snoops** · 04-20-2008, 12:40 PM

Yeah, I was just planning on running nolva until I read a few posts by Pirate where he talked about torem being a better choice. I really cant go wrong with nolva though like you said, so Ill probably just stick with that.

**Pirate!** · 04-20-2008, 02:54 PM

I don't think that toremifene is as effective on gyno as nolva is. I know toremifene works much better for me post cycle. It's like miracle grow for my nads.

**snoops** · 04-20-2008, 04:58 PM

hahaha yeah, that sounds pretty good to me. But since Im limited on cash, what do you suggest? I would need two bottles of torem if i got it from ag-guys (unless I did my math wrong). I cant afford to get two bottles of torem and another bottle of nolva (thats almost $200) so Im kind of limited. Even if torem isnt as effective on gyno, would it still work well?

**Mudge** · 04-20-2008, 07:43 PM

Do you have a reason to believe you are gyno sensitive? 400mg is a nice reasonable dose that wont inspire gyno in most users.

**snoops** · 04-20-2008, 07:47 PM

no, not at all. This is my first cycle so I really dont have any reason to believe that gyno will be a problem, I just wanted to have all my bases covered just in case.

**snoops** · 04-21-2008, 06:28 PM

if gyno did pop up during the cycle (which probably wont), could I use torem on cycle to deal with it? Or would torem not be effective?

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