snoops

I was originally planning on running prop for my first cycle but have decided not to. I havent completely decided yet, but Im either running test e or cyp for 8-10 weeks at 400mgs. I am also trying to get hcg for the cycle but im not completely sure Ill be able to get it. This leaves me wondering what I should do for pct. Torem or nolva or both? The reason I say this is because they are expensive and it seems like I would need to buy two bottles of torem to have enough for my pct (AG-Guys & Affiliates :: SERMs :: Fareston). This would be fine, but Im worried about the possibility of gyno and dont know if torem would be fine to combat it or if I would need nolva. I just cant afford to buy two bottles of torem and another bottle of nolva. So should I just drop the torem and use nolva for pct so Ill have it on hand during cycle if something goes wrong or would I be ok with having the two bottles of torem? Or I could even do one of each. Any thoughts?

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workingatit43

I really have not read anywhere or have any knowledge of people running them both so i can not answer that from my limited knowledge i understand that Nolva is very good for the gyno aspect and the torem is less toxic. Pirate,Mudge or DG can answer you better. Good luck bro

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Either one will work for you. And Prop for 1st cycle is not really a good idea because of pinning so much. Better to get use to twice a week first.

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snoops

so are you saying Id be fine with the torem if I had gyno problems during cycle? And yeah, I changed my mind on prop because I didnt want to pin every other day for my first time. Any suggestions on which to go with, nolva or torem?

Mudge

I've still stuck with nolvadex for post cycle but torem interests me, a number of people believe though that it is actually counterproductive due to postings of lowered LH/FSH.

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snoops

Yeah, I was just planning on running nolva until I read a few posts by Pirate where he talked about torem being a better choice. I really cant go wrong with nolva though like you said, so Ill probably just stick with that.

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I don't think that toremifene is as effective on gyno as nolva is. I know toremifene works much better for me post cycle. It's like miracle grow for my nads.

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snoops

hahaha yeah, that sounds pretty good to me. But since Im limited on cash, what do you suggest? I would need two bottles of torem if i got it from ag-guys (unless I did my math wrong). I cant afford to get two bottles of torem and another bottle of nolva (thats almost $200) so Im kind of limited. Even if torem isnt as effective on gyno, would it still work well?

Mudge

Do you have a reason to believe you are gyno sensitive? 400mg is a nice reasonable dose that wont inspire gyno in most users.

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snoops

no, not at all. This is my first cycle so I really dont have any reason to believe that gyno will be a problem, I just wanted to have all my bases covered just in case.

snoops

if gyno did pop up during the cycle (which probably wont), could I use torem on cycle to deal with it? Or would torem not be effective?