Newbie, need help with first cycle...

getinthegame · 06-01-2008, 10:55 AM

Hi guys,

Need a little advice about my first cycle. I'm 31 years old, 150 lbs, and around 15% bf. I've been working out on and off since I was about 15. In the last couple of years I've stuck to cardio mainly as I had packed on some pounds of bf that I really didn't like. Recently I've been wanting to get back into bodybuilding hardcore and put on some muscle. Where I live AAS are not regulated and are quite easy to come by, as well as the ancillary meds. A guy I worked with hooked me up with the goods and a regime for putting on the muscle. I'd like to run this stack/cycle by you and see what you think. From my research it looks pretty good to me, though I wonder about the strength of AAS incorporated, and the time frame for the PCT. It is a 6 week cycle using deca, sustanon 250, and dbol. Here it is:

Week 1

Saturday: Deca 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Sustanon 250 1ml, Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: Deca 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Week 2

Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Week 3

Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Week 4

Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Week 5

Saturday: Deca 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: Sustanon 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Week 6

Saturday: Deca 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Monday: Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Tuesday: Sustanon 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Wednesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg
Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg
Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg

Start Clomid 50mg once per day for 10 days for the last 10 days of the cycle. Then I have 2 vials of HCG to be used after the cycle is over, once a week for 2 weeks.

Additionally, Amino Acids, 52 for the liver, Animal Pak, and Vitamin B, all daily.

First off, sorry for posting in such a compulsive fashion, but I feel this is something I want to be attentive to.

Ok, from the research I've done, I've thought of a few things things: 1.) Do I need to continue taking the DBols for the whole cycle? From what I've read, they are better used to jump-start and don't necessarily need to be used for the whole course. 2.) Shouldn't I start the Clomid and/or the HCG after a couple of weeks, rather than the last 10 days of the cycle and for 2 weeks immediately after the cycle respectively? It seems to me that I should wait at least a week (or more, 2 or 3) after the cycle is over to begin these two, and maybe I should do the HCG first. On the other hand, doing the Novaldex and the Proviron during the whole cycle might change this, can you give me some advice in that regard? 3.) Is this stack too much for a newbie?

The diet that I have for this cycle is:

6:30 am: Weight Gainer
9:30 am: 6 boiled or scrambled egg whites
12:30 pm: Brown rice, grilled chicken breast or fish, salad
2:30 pm: 2 cans of Tuna (2hrs before workout) + Amino Acids
7:30 pm: Grilled meat (much as I can eat), brown bread, 1 grilled potato
10:00 pm: Chicken breast + Amino Acids

Thanks very much gentlemen.

jwalk127 · 06-01-2008, 07:23 PM

are you only running the deca and sust 250 for 6 weeks?

jwalk127 · 06-01-2008, 07:25 PM

it would be really helpful if you posted the mg of deca per shot as well.

getinthegame · 06-02-2008, 10:00 AM

Hi, yeah only running them for 6 weeks. The deca is 100 mg per amp. Also, neglected to list the dbol on Thursday and Friday (non workout days). Thanks!

jwalk127 · 06-02-2008, 07:40 PM

seems like a pretty decent stack. even with multiple injections per week, in my opinion at the six week mark...injectables are at thier prime! I would personally reconsider the frequency of the injectables and how long to run them.

jwalk127 · 06-02-2008, 07:41 PM

but considering this is your first cycle..i assure you will see gains with enough calories and hard training.

getinthegame · 06-03-2008, 10:40 AM

Thanks jwalk. What do you think about the PCT, and the time frame for doing it? Starting the Clomid the last ten days of the cycle and doing the HCG immediately after the course ends; my thought is that I should wait a bit because I'm using deca and sust, both are long acting. Thanks man.

alexvega · 06-03-2008, 12:41 PM

for how long time has you been training!

what is your age¿
^

getinthegame · 06-03-2008, 12:59 PM

31 years old, been training on and off since I was 15.

Chevrolet · 06-03-2008, 04:05 PM

150 pounds is pretty light to need aas, unless maybe you are 5'0.

test only is usually recomended for a first cycle, no need for all this stacking.

alexvega · 06-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getinthegame

31 years old, been training on and off since I was 15.

good age. good time . what makes to you going to the roids after long time to be on iron?

TexanTA1996 · 06-03-2008, 10:44 PM

You're 150lbs @ 15% body fat and you want to run a cycle consisting of 4 different drugs? Uhh, come back when you've gained 30 or 40lbs naturally, unless you're 5'2.

getinthegame · 06-04-2008, 02:12 AM

I'm 5'5", so not that far off. Appreciate the insights guys. Could somebody give me some thoughts on the PCT? After the comments, I'm thinking of splitting this into two separate cycles, one using the sust, and then one using the deca; and running them for longer. I thought that both sust and deca would be active by the 2nd week, peaking around the 4th week, and remaining active after the course was finished. After the 6 weeks my plan was to keep training just as hard for another 2 weeks or so, and then start the HCG followed by the Clomid. Your thoughts are appreciated, tell me what you think.

06-01-2008, 10:55 AM	#1
getinthegame Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 5	Newbie, need help with first cycle... Hi guys, Need a little advice about my first cycle. I'm 31 years old, 150 lbs, and around 15% bf. I've been working out on and off since I was about 15. In the last couple of years I've stuck to cardio mainly as I had packed on some pounds of bf that I really didn't like. Recently I've been wanting to get back into bodybuilding hardcore and put on some muscle. Where I live AAS are not regulated and are quite easy to come by, as well as the ancillary meds. A guy I worked with hooked me up with the goods and a regime for putting on the muscle. I'd like to run this stack/cycle by you and see what you think. From my research it looks pretty good to me, though I wonder about the strength of AAS incorporated, and the time frame for the PCT. It is a 6 week cycle using deca, sustanon 250, and dbol. Here it is: Week 1 Saturday: Deca 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Sustanon 250 1ml, Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: Deca 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Week 2 Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Week 3 Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Week 4 Saturday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: Deca 1ml, Sustanon 1ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Week 5 Saturday: Deca 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: Sustanon 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Week 6 Saturday: Deca 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Sunday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Monday: Dbol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Tuesday: Sustanon 2ml, DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Wednesday: DBol 20mg, Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10mg Thursday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Friday: Proviron 25mg, Novaldex 10 mg Start Clomid 50mg once per day for 10 days for the last 10 days of the cycle. Then I have 2 vials of HCG to be used after the cycle is over, once a week for 2 weeks. Additionally, Amino Acids, 52 for the liver, Animal Pak, and Vitamin B, all daily. First off, sorry for posting in such a compulsive fashion, but I feel this is something I want to be attentive to. Ok, from the research I've done, I've thought of a few things things: 1.) Do I need to continue taking the DBols for the whole cycle? From what I've read, they are better used to jump-start and don't necessarily need to be used for the whole course. 2.) Shouldn't I start the Clomid and/or the HCG after a couple of weeks, rather than the last 10 days of the cycle and for 2 weeks immediately after the cycle respectively? It seems to me that I should wait at least a week (or more, 2 or 3) after the cycle is over to begin these two, and maybe I should do the HCG first. On the other hand, doing the Novaldex and the Proviron during the whole cycle might change this, can you give me some advice in that regard? 3.) Is this stack too much for a newbie? The diet that I have for this cycle is: 6:30 am: Weight Gainer 9:30 am: 6 boiled or scrambled egg whites 12:30 pm: Brown rice, grilled chicken breast or fish, salad 2:30 pm: 2 cans of Tuna (2hrs before workout) + Amino Acids 7:30 pm: Grilled meat (much as I can eat), brown bread, 1 grilled potato 10:00 pm: Chicken breast + Amino Acids Thanks very much gentlemen. Last edited by getinthegame : 06-01-2008 at 11:17 AM.

06-03-2008, 04:05 PM	#10
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 70	150 pounds is pretty light to need aas, unless maybe you are 5'0. test only is usually recomended for a first cycle, no need for all this stacking.
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06-01-2008, 07:23 PM	#2
jwalk127 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 82	are you only running the deca and sust 250 for 6 weeks?

06-01-2008, 07:25 PM	#3
jwalk127 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 82	it would be really helpful if you posted the mg of deca per shot as well.

06-02-2008, 10:00 AM	#4
getinthegame Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 5	Hi, yeah only running them for 6 weeks. The deca is 100 mg per amp. Also, neglected to list the dbol on Thursday and Friday (non workout days). Thanks!

06-02-2008, 07:40 PM	#5
jwalk127 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 82	seems like a pretty decent stack. even with multiple injections per week, in my opinion at the six week mark...injectables are at thier prime! I would personally reconsider the frequency of the injectables and how long to run them.

06-02-2008, 07:41 PM	#6
jwalk127 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 82	but considering this is your first cycle..i assure you will see gains with enough calories and hard training.

06-03-2008, 10:40 AM	#7
getinthegame Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 5	Thanks jwalk. What do you think about the PCT, and the time frame for doing it? Starting the Clomid the last ten days of the cycle and doing the HCG immediately after the course ends; my thought is that I should wait a bit because I'm using deca and sust, both are long acting. Thanks man.

06-03-2008, 12:41 PM	#8
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,127 Photos: 21	for how long time has you been training! what is your age¿ ^

06-03-2008, 12:59 PM	#9
getinthegame Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 5	31 years old, been training on and off since I was 15.

06-03-2008, 10:44 PM	#12
TexanTA1996 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: uptown Posts: 189	You're 150lbs @ 15% body fat and you want to run a cycle consisting of 4 different drugs? Uhh, come back when you've gained 30 or 40lbs naturally, unless you're 5'2.

06-04-2008, 02:12 AM	#13
getinthegame Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 5	I'm 5'5", so not that far off. Appreciate the insights guys. Could somebody give me some thoughts on the PCT? After the comments, I'm thinking of splitting this into two separate cycles, one using the sust, and then one using the deca; and running them for longer. I thought that both sust and deca would be active by the 2nd week, peaking around the 4th week, and remaining active after the course was finished. After the 6 weeks my plan was to keep training just as hard for another 2 weeks or so, and then start the HCG followed by the Clomid. Your thoughts are appreciated, tell me what you think.