M-Drol

darkmortal · 07-02-2008, 01:02 PM

Hey guys first post here i know, but wanted some advise. Thanks for all your help in advance.

I am going to be taking a 3 or 4 week cycle of Mdrol from CEL soon (haven't decided if i want to go 3 or 4 weeks yet) and will dose it probably start out at 10mg for the first week, then 20mg for the second and third week and if i can go a fourth week i might bump it to 30mg. I will be taking creatine and milk thistle while on this cycle. Now my main question was really about a PCT. I have read numerous posts about this and a lot of them recommend a OTC PCT along with some nolva or clomid or something. My question was could i just run a pure Nolva PCT? I have the generic " tamoxifen citrate " (i hope i am allowed to say that, if not i will edit it asap) Anyway let me know, and if i can do this what dosages(mg) i should run for 4 weeks. Thanks again.

Oh almost forgot
Stats...
Age - 18
Weight - 160
Height - 5'11"
BF - 10%
Lifting Exp. - 3 solid years
Diet - taking in about 300-350g protien a day, medium carbs, high calories ( around 4k a day)

Goals - I want to put on some weight, not a lot, around 15-20 pounds maybe and lower my BF a little more, want to be down around 7 or 8 maybe even 6 (but shouldn't be a problem with that and don't really need anything to help with that since i wrestle and my bf% gets low) I want to increase my strength quit a bit and also get a little more defined muscles.

zombul · 07-02-2008, 01:36 PM

At age 18 I would stick with a good creatine and high protein diet and not worry about the M Drol.

darkmortal · 07-02-2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombul

At age 18 I would stick with a good creatine and high protein diet and not worry about the M Drol.

Thanks for the advice but that wasn't really the questions. Not trying to be a dick and i do appreciate the advice, but i already have the mdrol and plan on taking it. So if you could answer my question on if nolvadex only would be ok for a pct and how many mg i should take in of it a week that would be very helpful. Thanks

Chevrolet · 07-02-2008, 02:10 PM

too young to go messing with your hormones.
keep working out naturally and dont be such a pussy. sound like a dick? too bad kid you obviously need someone to set you straight.
the answer to the questions you asked can be found quite handily using the search feature. but i know that takes too long for your 'need it now at any cost' attitude.

zombul · 07-02-2008, 02:41 PM

Just being fair and trying to help you out man.Do you realize that by messing with stuff like that now it's going to be even harder to make gains natural later. What you going to do when ph's are gone and you are making slower gains than everyone else?

darkmortal · 07-02-2008, 02:54 PM

Yeah i know, i know all the risks I just need something to give me that edge in the sports that i play. Need something that will put a little weight on me and some muscle. I just asked for help with my PCT. And I don't plan on doing this cycle and staying clean forever. I understand why you guys would say that i shouldn't do this and all just asking for some help. If you have any advice that would be helpful with my PCT that is appreciated. Thanks zom

And Chevrolet unless you have some real advice for me gtfo..Thanks

lucifuge · 07-02-2008, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmortal

Yeah i know, i know all the risks I just need something to give me that edge in the sports that i play. Need something that will put a little weight on me and some muscle. I just asked for help with my PCT. And I don't plan on doing this cycle and staying clean forever. I understand why you guys would say that i shouldn't do this and all just asking for some help. If you have any advice that would be helpful with my PCT that is appreciated. Thanks zom

And Chevrolet unless you have some real advice for me gtfo..Thanks

Ok, ya don't have to be a douchebag... both guys gave you good solid advice. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
Technically speaking, nolva alone sould be ok IMO, however m-drol (superdrol clone, right?) can be pretty damned harsh and shut you down pretty hard.
So you're gonna need liver & test support.

Since you wanna go OTC, try these:
Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support

DESIGNER SUPPLEMENT ACTIVATE XTREME 120 CAPS
or
LG Formadrol Extreme 60 count - 1160003

That being said, zombul and chevrolet are absolutely right. You are too damned young to be playing around with this stuff, but since you apparently "know all the risks" but still don't know enough to put together your PCT is.... ahh, I digress...
you're 18, and barring some serious medical condition, you're essentially a fountain of testosterone. Adding anabolics isn't really going to accomplish much, while hindering you're receptors which will make future cycles less effective.
The best route is train hard and eat big... but, you do what you will

darkmortal · 07-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Thanks. But would milk thistle be alright in place of the cycle support as far as liver support?

zombul · 07-03-2008, 07:42 AM

Milk thistle will be fine.And just know that 18 year old and younger kids using this stuff to get an "advantage" in sports is the reason so much shit is already illegal.People taking it that don't realize what they are doing and even how to pct. This is why M Drol and all the effective PH's of today will soon be gone as well. You are naturally producing an abundance of testosterone and want to shut it down by taking this.

This is another reason your gonna find it hard to get help w things like this.

**dg806** · 07-03-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmortal

Need something that will put a little weight on me and some muscle.

That comes from eating (food). If you can't gain naturally by eating, the mdrol will not help you one bit. Diet is the key to bodybuilding. I wish people would take more time in research and realize this.
And it's obvious you have no idea what you are doing.

**Pirate!** · 07-03-2008, 06:35 PM

I recommend not taking steroids at this point in your life.

Nolva is all you need for pct.

Chevrolet · 07-07-2008, 11:11 PM

i gave you the best advice your gonna get kiddo. maybe you need to reread my post.

**Pirate!** · 07-08-2008, 08:13 PM

Coming off the gear will actually hurt your performance. You won't have an edge.

07-02-2008, 01:02 PM	#1
darkmortal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4	M-Drol Hey guys first post here i know, but wanted some advise. Thanks for all your help in advance. I am going to be taking a 3 or 4 week cycle of Mdrol from CEL soon (haven't decided if i want to go 3 or 4 weeks yet) and will dose it probably start out at 10mg for the first week, then 20mg for the second and third week and if i can go a fourth week i might bump it to 30mg. I will be taking creatine and milk thistle while on this cycle. Now my main question was really about a PCT. I have read numerous posts about this and a lot of them recommend a OTC PCT along with some nolva or clomid or something. My question was could i just run a pure Nolva PCT? I have the generic " tamoxifen citrate " (i hope i am allowed to say that, if not i will edit it asap) Anyway let me know, and if i can do this what dosages(mg) i should run for 4 weeks. Thanks again. Oh almost forgot Stats... Age - 18 Weight - 160 Height - 5'11" BF - 10% Lifting Exp. - 3 solid years Diet - taking in about 300-350g protien a day, medium carbs, high calories ( around 4k a day) Goals - I want to put on some weight, not a lot, around 15-20 pounds maybe and lower my BF a little more, want to be down around 7 or 8 maybe even 6 (but shouldn't be a problem with that and don't really need anything to help with that since i wrestle and my bf% gets low) I want to increase my strength quit a bit and also get a little more defined muscles.

07-02-2008, 01:36 PM	#2
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,926	At age 18 I would stick with a good creatine and high protein diet and not worry about the M Drol.
	www.sbmuscle.com SBMuscle.com Rep My opinons, views, and suggestions are that of my own and do not represent SBMuscle.com

07-02-2008, 02:10 PM	#4
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 71	too young to go messing with your hormones. keep working out naturally and dont be such a pussy. sound like a dick? too bad kid you obviously need someone to set you straight. the answer to the questions you asked can be found quite handily using the search feature. but i know that takes too long for your 'need it now at any cost' attitude.
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 71	Carpe Diem

07-02-2008, 02:41 PM	#5
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,926	Just being fair and trying to help you out man.Do you realize that by messing with stuff like that now it's going to be even harder to make gains natural later. What you going to do when ph's are gone and you are making slower gains than everyone else?
	www.sbmuscle.com SBMuscle.com Rep My opinons, views, and suggestions are that of my own and do not represent SBMuscle.com

07-03-2008, 07:42 AM	#9
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,926	Milk thistle will be fine.And just know that 18 year old and younger kids using this stuff to get an "advantage" in sports is the reason so much shit is already illegal.People taking it that don't realize what they are doing and even how to pct. This is why M Drol and all the effective PH's of today will soon be gone as well. You are naturally producing an abundance of testosterone and want to shut it down by taking this. This is another reason your gonna find it hard to get help w things like this.
	www.sbmuscle.com SBMuscle.com Rep My opinons, views, and suggestions are that of my own and do not represent SBMuscle.com

07-02-2008, 02:54 PM	#6
darkmortal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4	Yeah i know, i know all the risks I just need something to give me that edge in the sports that i play. Need something that will put a little weight on me and some muscle. I just asked for help with my PCT. And I don't plan on doing this cycle and staying clean forever. I understand why you guys would say that i shouldn't do this and all just asking for some help. If you have any advice that would be helpful with my PCT that is appreciated. Thanks zom And Chevrolet unless you have some real advice for me gtfo..Thanks

07-02-2008, 05:53 PM	#8
darkmortal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4	Thanks. But would milk thistle be alright in place of the cycle support as far as liver support?

07-07-2008, 11:11 PM	#12
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 71	i gave you the best advice your gonna get kiddo. maybe you need to reread my post.
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 71	Carpe Diem

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