lucifuge

Thanks to Ziquor, a Competitive Edge Labs Rep on Anabolicminds for allowing us to post this.
DG

came across this on another site, figured it could be helpful to some folks


Nomenclature/Chemical naming info:

For reference:

etioallocholan = 5a-androst = 'a skeleton' or 'a isomer'

etiocholan = 5b-androst = 'b skeleton' or 'b isomer'

17beta-hydroxy = 17b-ol

estra = 19-norandrost



1-AD (1-androstenedione) 1-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-dione

1-AD (1-androstenediol) 1-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-diol

4-AD (4-androstenedione) 4-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-dione

4-AD (4-androstenediol) 4-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

1,4AD (Boldione) 1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione

M1,4AD (Dianadiol) 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol or 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

19-Tren X (Pro-Dienolone) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione or estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione

Max LMG 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

Orastan-A (Furazabol THP) 5a-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether

Orastan-E (Stanozol THP) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17b-tetrahydropyranol

Halodrol-50 (Turinadiol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

Promagnon-25 (Methyl-Clostediol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

Propadrol 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene-17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate

11-OXO (Adrenosterone) 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione or 11-oxo-androstenedione

Methoxy-TRN 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

Methoxy-TST 17b-methoxy-trienosterone

19-Nor (19-norandrostenediol) 19-nor-4-androsten-3b,17b-diol or 19-norandrost-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3b,17b-diol

M5AA (Mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstanediol

3-Alpha (3-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3alpha,17b-diol

M1T (Methyl 1-Test aka 17aa-1-testosterone) 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol

Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol

Pheraplex (Madol or DMT) 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Ergomax LMG (Ergo Matrix) 17a-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

Epithio (Havoc or Epistane) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

Methyl-D (Methyl Dienolone) 17a-methyl-19-Norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9(10)-diene-3-one

M4OHN (Methylhydroxynandrolone) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one

4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one

MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one















Below is information such as estimated half life and A:A ratio's on certain compounds. I'll update more as I find further info as much of it is compiled from original manufacturer claims and as such this should be used for reference purposes only. If anyone sees anything they can add or change please let me know.

Anabolic to Androgenic ratio's based on original manufacture claims and Vida info. Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds. Q-Factor is the anabolic # divided by androgenic #. Some anabolics are listed with a 'range' for the most accurate possible estimate. Methyl Testosterone is the oral of which all other orals are compared, just as IM Test is to other injectibles:

jwalk127

alot of great info. that can answer alot of questions for people.

lucifuge

Thats pretty much what I was thinking... now we just have to figure out a way to get them to actually read it. lol

dg806

Stickied!

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KelJu

Holy shit! What a great find. I would love to know who composed this list and thank them, but I bet they wouldn't want to be found.

dg806

It came from Ziquor, a Competitive Edge Labs Rep on anabolicminds.

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KelJu

I'm a member there, but I haven't posted in a while.

Ziquor

Hey great chart

j/k I'm looking forward to spending some more time here, great resource

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dg806

Great to have you here Ziquor. Hope you will spend some more time around here. Always good to have another CEL rep here also!

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Cgrant

wow.. awesome chart.. made sense and a MUST read for newbies looking to learn ANYTHING.. great post

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jchappj

Good stuff! Thanks for posting!

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seems

Good one. Thanks and keep updating.

Ty_Durden

Can anyone tell me the key differences between injectable anabolics and oral anabolics? Are oral anabolics as potent as injectables?

Built

My cursory understanding is as follows: liver toxicity. Orals have to survive digestion, so they're "alkylated", wherein an alkyl group (methyl or alkyl) is added to the alpha position of the 17 carbon skeleton of the steroid. Your liver breaks that part off - which is good, since that's what has to happen for your body to use the active, but bad, because your liver now has to deal with the hepatoxic alkyl group.

You can surely get just as "strong" an effect from an oral, but if you're a guy, you'll have to take so much, you'll be at risk of liver damage: men are already men. You need to take enough to shut down your boys and THEN some.

Females have no boys to shut down, and the doses women take are so small that liver toxicity isn't such a concern.

For reference, a woman may take 2.5-12.5mg oxandrolone (Anavar) for a cycle. A man would likely need 40+mg daily for any kind of effect, and even then he'll likely stack it with something like test.

I'm sure somebody far more schooled in these things than I will come in with something more helpful. My understanding of AAS pharmacodynamics is limited at best.

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CellWarrior

Thats the best info I have every came across for these. Whats next SERMS...?

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Roaddkingg

That is some great information. I spent a lot of time last night reading about all the differant pro-hormones available. Couldnt believe how many there are. I know this may be very hard but if just one company could be listed and the best from that company. What would it be. For least sides, decent gains, low water retention. Goal being strength, size and definition.

lola1182

good info, great read.. thanks!

Built

Gee, wait. So you want to be bigger AND stronger AND more defined, is that all?

Sounds easy enough…

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mauricio24ny

any help with avanar i just got it and i dont know anything about how to cycle it what to take with it my friend told me to take it everyday for 6 weeks and take testosterone boost with it then get something for my liver also some superpump 250 then i will be good to go i just want to know if this is true any help help with be well appreciated i just want to do it right thanks again for taking the time and read this

tatteredsaint

excellent post on the chart that will save me a lot of typing

abomb555

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egodog48

Quality post! Lots of common questions answered

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wow, what a GREAT post!

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JonPiven

+1 answered few of my questions