are Methyl 1D & Methyl Masterdrol v2 liver toxic? Why no SERM??

**angel77** · 09-24-2008, 05:34 AM

I finished a cycle of M1D & MMv2 and I need to know if the stuff is actually liver toxic or not? I've heard it wasn't and I only used the Formadrol Extreme for 2 weeks for PCT. The reason I ask is that Epistane, Havoc, and H-Drol are definately methylated and require serms. The LG Sciences products are marketed as methyls but don't require serms.

The complete issue is that I'm going to be starting a cycle of Epistane very soon and I need to know how long of a break do I need to take between the LG products and the Epistane. I plan on taking a LONG break after the Epi but the LG shit seems like a sham. Is it LEGITIMATELY LIVER TOXIC??

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers!!

**angel77** · 09-24-2008, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mags

I'm guessing if they have 'Mehtyl' in the title and on the back in the compound structure name, they'll be toxic to an extent.

THEY DON'T HAVE METHYL IN THE COMPOUND NAME AT ALL. THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING. THANKS ALOT, ANGEL77

**Mags** · 09-24-2008, 06:57 AM

Soz, the post went up before I had a chance to finish it. The titles Methyl 1D & Methyl Masterdrol suggest they're methylated, therefore toxic to an extent. If the information is not on the bottle, check out the products' info on some BB supp. websites. Good ones tend to have the ingredients and compounds of the products in their descriptions,
i.e. H-drol, like you've already mentioned, is 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol, therefore methylated.

**ZECH** · 09-24-2008, 09:28 AM

Being methyl may not relate to PCT. PCT is to get your natural test production started again as quick as possible. Methyls are liver toxic taken for long periods of time. You need liver protection for that. Now granted, you will want some time off between cycles so your liver enzymes can return to normal. But Nolva does nothing for this and is actually carcinogenic itself.
Being methylated protects the steriod from being broken down by the liver. And being methylated may not mean it shuts you down harder. Some steriods that are not methylated shuts you down hard also.
IMO, time of cycle plus post cycle equals time off needed. Possibly more depending on blood lipids.

**angel77** · 09-24-2008, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by dg806

Being methyl may not relate to PCT. PCT is to get your natural test production started again as quick as possible. Methyls are liver toxic taken for long periods of time. You need liver protection for that. Now granted, you will want some time off between cycles so your liver enzymes can return to normal. But Nolva does nothing for this and is actually carcinogenic itself.
Being methylated protects the steriod from being broken down by the liver. And being methylated may not mean it shuts you down harder. Some steriods that are not methylated shuts you down hard also.
IMO, time of cycle plus post cycle equals time off needed. Possibly more depending on blood lipids.

THANK YOU!!

**workingatit43** · 09-24-2008, 10:37 AM

Both of these products are non-methylated compounds and will not produce steriod type gains(also will not produce steriod type of sides).

Methyl 1D

Methyl Masterdrol V2

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