Thread: topical 1T

Wow a topical 1ad. Wonder how long before it's banned?

Originally Posted by jchappj

Wow a topical 1ad. Wonder how long before it's banned?

Well lets hope not any time soon.

wow, how did they get around the ban on the active ingerdient?

It's not 1ad..........

1ad was (1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol).
This is 1-androsterone, also known as 1-DHEA.
It has another conversion step before it is converted into 1test.

*lol* Yup, shoulda picked up on that!!

Originally Posted by jchappj

*lol* Yup, shoulda picked up on that!!

LOL, That's why I'm here to help!!

Originally Posted by dg806

LOL, That's why I'm here to help!!

NICE! Thanks dg!

Yeah, it’s only one conversion to the original 1-AD, and another conversion to 1-testosterone.

The skin is highly concentrated in 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD which are the enzymes responsible for these conversions. So, as the 1-androsterone passes the skin it will be converting into the target hormones.

This is one reason why DHEA is so much more powerful when taken topically, compared to orally.

Guys already get good results with just our topical DHEA [Dermacrine], so the addition of 1-androsterone will add significantly to the gains… which we found in our preliminary trials. 10-12lb gains of lean mass in 4-6 weeks where common among our 1-T testers.

1-T will be some serious stuff.

-Pp

You guys can read some good reviews on AM if you want.

And 1-T is just one of the great products Primordial has to offer. Check them out in the Supplement Companies sub-forum

I wish 1-TU would come back from Nutrex...that stuff rocked big time with hardly any side effects at all.

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I wish 1-TU would come back from Nutrex...that stuff rocked big time with hardly any side effects at all.

Can't even find that at all any more except for pictures. Too bad, definitely good stuff.

Originally Posted by jchappj

Can't even find that at all any more except for pictures. Too bad, definitely good stuff.

The company doesn't even make it for countries where it is legal....that sucks too....otherwise it would be real easy to get ahold of it. Like if they still had it in Canada etc... That stuff was probably the strongest oral without hardly any sides. Way better then the methylated products like M-1T or Mdien etc..

Had I had the $$ to spend before the ban I would have stocked up...the stuff was pretty expensive too...but I thought it was real good!

Also, I want to clear something up that guys seem to be confused about.

Androsterone is NOT adrenosterone (11-oxo)

So again, 1-androsterone is nothing like 11-oxo (adrenosterone). 1-androsterone is an anabolic hormone that converts to 1-Testosterone… very different stuff.

-Pp

Just to give you guys a heads up -- There were a couple setbacks that pushed the ship date back to the 14th of this month for 1-T, and lowered our initial stock to only a few hundred bottles. [so we have a very small supply and a very high demand]

If you guys want to get your hands on a bottle in the next couple weeks you should get in now.

"1-T" 1-Androsterone (1-DHEA, 1-Androstene-3b-ol) DHEA Topical

-Pp

So in a nutshell...this topical 1-T will be more effective than an oral PH due to lack of break down by liver enzymes, it obviously has some of the same sides but is not taxing the liver at all, and a proper PCT is expected like orals?? There is no aromatizing, so Nolva is not needed, simply test booster to counter the suppression??

Originally Posted by biggfly

So in a nutshell...this topical 1-T will be more effective than an oral PH due to lack of break down by liver enzymes, it obviously has some of the same sides but is not taxing the liver at all, and a proper PCT is expected like orals?? There is no aromatizing, so Nolva is not needed, simply test booster to counter the suppression??

Yes, it will be more effective because you get about 35-40% into the system as opposed to about 8% orally and more enzymatic conversion from the skin.

And yes, you will still need PCT with it. Something like Sustain Alpha or the Recovery Stack would be perfect.

-Pp

On your site, there has been a few questions in the threads about application...once or twice a day?? I assume once, 5 pumps. Does it need to be before a workout, or simply in the a.m. AFTER a shower(even if working out in the afternoon). Also, is there a grace period of time that it takes to fully absorb, where it will not lose effectiveness or be affected by sweating due to workout or a shower?? Thanks.

I expect you want to do it twice a say to keep blood levels constant. am and pm would be the way I would go.

Originally Posted by dg806

I expect you want to do it twice a say to keep blood levels constant. am and pm would be the way I would go.

that would be best, but that means you would need 3 pumps am/pm. so 6 pumps ED. thats 19 days (115 pumps per bottle). so a 38 day cycle of 2 bottles is 140$. you add pct in, along with a cycle support, and your around 5$ a day

im sure its a great supplement, and i cant wait to read some logs.. but damn thats spendy.

I'll let PP chime in on the twice a day app.

on the site, they say its timed release and 1 application a day. 5 squirts.

Originally Posted by biggfly

On your site, there has been a few questions in the threads about application...once or twice a day?? I assume once, 5 pumps. Does it need to be before a workout, or simply in the a.m. AFTER a shower(even if working out in the afternoon). Also, is there a grace period of time that it takes to fully absorb, where it will not lose effectiveness or be affected by sweating due to workout or a shower?? Thanks.

You want to do it right after a shower when the skin is clean, once a day, first thing in the morning.

You get a slow steady release for about 18-24 hrs with 1-T so there really is no need for two applications.

Sweating doesn’t have much net effect on delivery. You get a bit of the residual rub off on your clothing from sweating, but more absorbed through heat and opening of the pores.

-Pp

Originally Posted by Primordial

You want to do it right after a shower when the skin is clean, once a day, first thing in the morning.

You get a slow steady release for about 18-24 hrs with 1-T so there really is no need for two applications.

Sweating doesn’t have much net effect on delivery. You get a bit of the residual rub off on your clothing from sweating, but more absorbed through heat and opening of the pores.

-Pp

Nice on the timed release...so if applied in the a.m. after shower, would it be fully absorbed and ok to shower again later that evening, say 8-10 hours later without negating the effectiveness of the topical, even though it is a steady 18-24 hour release?? Or does one need to wait that 18-24 before showering again??

Originally Posted by biggfly

Nice on the timed release...so if applied in the a.m. after shower, would it be fully absorbed and ok to shower again later that evening, say 8-10 hours later without negating the effectiveness of the topical, even though it is a steady 18-24 hour release?? Or does one need to wait that 18-24 before showering again??

You will hurt effectiveness a tad if you shower again in the evening.

You also don’t really want to take a dose right before bed either. It would cause a surge and probably give you insomnia.

-Eric