flashinglights

Wow, this stuff has to go through 2 enzymatic conversions for it to work? It seems like you would have to make this stuff extremely potent for it to work as effectively as other compounds on the market. It seems like you should have seen some strength gains by now.

60 bucks is a lot to pay. I sure wouldn't risk paying that much for something that might not work when I coul get havoc or superdrol for half the price.

TrojanMan60563

That is the vibe I get. I would venture to say these conversions do not happen at the same amount or rate in everyone. I know when I took 1AD that is supposed to convert to 1T it didn't do much. But taking 1T directly was great! I know people that liked 1AD so maybe their bodies converted it better than mine?

I would have to agree about the cost being up there for what you get in return. I am sure it works better for some more than others. I am in the mindset that the days of real pro-hormones, or pro-steroids are long gone. Not to say that companies cannot make something that could replace it, but I am not eager to test out random hormones on my body. I think with the ban in place companies are grasping at straws to keep the PH/PS market alive.

Pirate!

If a product is effective and a healthy alternative to harsh orals then $2.50 a day isn't really all that much.

Having said that, I don't have enough in my budget to buy a second bottle and run at a higher dose. I think this dose is too low for me. I'm going up to 6 pumps a day for the remainder of the cycle.

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flashinglights

Before you spray it, try scrubbing the skin you're about to apply it to (if you aren't already). I found that when I was on nicotine replacement patches, that helped the nicotine absorb since the dead skin cells weren't blocking as much.

Primordial

Different people will convert 1-androsterone to 1-testosterone at different rates, so its bound to work differently in everyone. Even so, it only takes one conversion to turn 1-androsterone to the original 1-AD which has anabolic effects on its own. [For whatever its worth... some say they had even better results with 1-AD than 1-Testosterone]

We’ve been seeing guys gain 10-15lbs while breaking PR’s in only 4 weeks while using 1-T solo so it’s definitely having comparable anabolic effects to the old pro-hormones. Guys that aren’t gaining a lot of weight are the one following an average diet, and are dropping significant bodyfat instead.

Pirate, you got PM.

-Eric

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workingatit43

Agreed the extra cost would be worth it to me.

CellWarrior

x2 $60 bucks isn't bad if it works. Keep the reports coming. I'd like to find out more about this stuff.

Genetics are meant to be BROKEN

Mags

If this 1-T turns out to be as effective as we all hope, is it worth throwing it in with my H-drol cycle, or is there no real need for it? Also, how severe are the sides on this? I did oral 1-Test ages ago and it kicked the piss out of my hair. I'm prone to MPB so it's no surprise, but will this 1-T be just as harsh?

Cheers.

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Primordial

Weve had a very low incidence of side-effects reported from the 1-T. The worst probably being reduced libido after a few weeks… and maybe some acne. It’s not going to cause problems with the liver though since its non-methylated.

Hdrol and 1-T should be a great stack. I know guys have been doing very well with epistane (havoc) and pplex with 1-T.

BTW, we just launched our NEW YEARS sale… check it out Primordial Performance

-Eric

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Mags

Does the reduced libido mean lack of interest in sex, or a more physical effect where it's tougher to get a rod on? I'm keeping tuned to this log as I'm quite keen to give this a whirl when running the Hdrol.

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Pirate!

I could see it stacking well with orals. It's very side friendly for me. No increase in acne. Experienced some muscle tightness (not pump) when doing chest today. I had the same thing happen a few weeks ago on chest/bi day. I had a simliar experience with 1-AD.

I'm going to run 1-T for a few more weeks at 6 pumps.

I have about 20 H-drol pills. Maybe I'll stack it the last week.

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Mags

Firstly, at 4 pumps a day/27 applications, one tube of 1-T should technically last for approximately 4 weeks, is that correct? If so, is this going to be enough time to see optimum gains, or would a 6-week duration be more effective?

Secondly, if I have a four-week supply of 1-T, whereabouts should I fit it into my 8-week Hdrol cycle - start, middle or end?

Lastly, I was planning on running 100mg Hdrol ED. Is it still worth running this higher dose if I'm going to incorporate the 1-T?

Thanks.

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TrojanMan60563

Two 1-t pumps should last 6 weeks at 6 pumps. That is what I would run...but I'm not.

Mags

Yeah, I assume a higher dose and a longer duration would yield better results, but the dose and duration I'd use with 1-T is dictated by cost. With a snowboarding holiday coming up, I can only afford 1 tube, so wanted to know if one would be effective. Also, I was only gonna run four pumps a day as I'd want it to last the full four weeks, and because I thought I wouldn't need to go too nuts if I was running high doses of Hdrol alongside it. Ideally, two tubes would be good, but I wanna wait and see how this product works out before I buy one let alone consider stretching to buy two.

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Primordial

Probably both.. but guys are using intermittent doses of Sustain Alpha to combat this if it actually becomes a problem.

-Eric

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Primordial

Id lower the dose of Hdrol and run the 1-T during the entire 6-week cycle. The less stress on the liver the better for overall gains and appetite.

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Primordial

If you grab the twin pack and apply the 10% off discount SPONSOR10 you can save about $25.

The 4 pumps per day with only 1 bottle would be a good stack with the Hdrol. Id probably use it during the first 4 weeks.

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Mags

Nice one, thanks for the feedback.

Cheers.

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Pirate!

Starting Monday, I'm going to add 50 mg/day of H-drol on lifting days to assess how well these stack.

I've noticed some headache/neck tension in the middle of the night about 3 nights a week since I've been on 1-T. 800 mg ibuprofen sets it straight everytime, though. 1-T estergels were way worse in this regard.

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flashinglights

Is a SERM recommended with this product? I can't imagine it not, if it really does cause a 10-15 pound increase in lean mass. If I could run this without a serm I'd pay the 60 bucks. Otherwise it's Epistane/Nolva

Mags

I imagine 1-T can produce some decent gains, but I wouldn't get too hooked on the idea of gaining 15lbs. I read that if you run 1-T for longer than four weeks (i.e. 6 weeks) you'll need to consider a stronger PCT (adding Nolva, for example), but other than that, you should be fine. Have a look through some of the threads on the Primordial website and you'll find a fair amount of info regarding this product. I'm gonna run Hdrol for 8 weeks and wing in a pump of 1-T for four weeks. I'll be using Nolva at low doses as part of a PCT.

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Mags

Cool, be good to see how this works out. How long will your Hdrol last?

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Primordial

If you are saturated prohormone/steroid user then 1-T isn’t going to put on another 15lbs, but if you are fairly sensitive to the effects of androgens and can ramp up the diet it’s a very real possibility. [there are some awesome 1-T logs going on at AM, PP, OLM, ect]

And no, you really don’t need nolva with 1-T. The Testosterone Recovery Stack is more than enough for PCT.

I really don’t advise nolva or clomid use anymore. If you know how to use hCG correctly during a longer cycle, then there is no need for these SERM’s.

-Eric

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Mags

My bad, I thought I'd read that running 1-T for six weeks or longer required a stronger (not sure if that's the best word to describe it) PCT that could possibly incorporate nolva or clomid etc. I can't get hold of any HCG at present so was gonna run Nolva at 20/20/10/10 after an 8-week run of Hdrol/4-week run of 1-T. I know Hdrol's mild, but I thought a low dose of Nolva for four weeks would be handy/needed as part of a PCT. Is this not the case, then?

Also, I'm not saying 15lbs isn't achieveable - especially for a newbie who has a decent diet in place - I'm just a natural sceptic. Hell, I want 1-T to be awesome like everyone else - I'm ordering some today

Lastly, Pirate, apologies for semi-hijacking your thread. How's everything progressing?

Cheers.

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dg806

Check bp??

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Pirate!

I had a nurse check my blood pressure twice, as recently as 12/31. 94/I forget. Pulse was 62. No problems there. Had a physical, too. The body aches are minor, really.

As I only will use the Hdrol on lifting days, it should last about three weeks.

I agree with primoridal that proper hcg use on cycle is the most important thing you can do for recovery after a prohomrone cycle (no injectibles). The drugs clear within 48 hours.

Looking forward to chest/bis tomorrow. Wish I could get more rest in first. The wife wants to do it, so I can't go to bed yet. I'm amazingly horny thoughout the night. Just dream about sex.

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Mags

How long would I need to run HCG then? The duration of the cycle, or towards the end? Also, if anyone knows where I can grab some could you PM me?

Cheers.

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Pirate!

I ran labs after 4 weeks of 1-T. Didn't check lipids but liver, kidney and thyroid are all normal. Blood glucose was a low 2 hours after eating. It may be a typo, as I'm usually around 70 non-fasting.

After two workouts with 50 mg of Hdrol, everything is going well. I feel great!

I'll be cracking into my second bottle of 1-T tomorrow. Over the next three weeks, I will:

1) Use 6 pumps of 1-T everyday and use 50 mg of Hdrol on lifting days.

2) Increase caloric intake

3) Train like an animal

4) GROW!

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dg806

gotta keep the wife happy!

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Primordial

You won’t need hCG for only a 6 week cycle.. Id say anything longer and it would be a good idea though.

-Eric

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