Pirate's Primordial Performance 1-T Journey

Mags · 01-09-2009, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primordial

You won’t need hCG for only a 6 week cycle.. Id say anything longer and it would be a good idea though.

-Eric

What about the 8 weeks of Hdrol on top, or is that not suppressive enough?

Cheers.

Cane · 01-09-2009, 02:35 PM

Do you have to use PCT when using 1-T for only 4 weeks?
I would love to try this product but i dont want to see the negative side effects that some products produce.
If you do have to use PCT, what types of products does primordial performance sell?
specs:
5'10"
175
8%BF

**Pirate!** · 01-09-2009, 10:50 PM

Let's keep this thread as my log and not discussion between various parties.

I've added a few pounds of muscle. Aside from slight muscle tension, I'm feeling grand. I'm taking two days off from the 1-T while I travel for the weekend. Had a great workout today. Recovery is improving now that my calories are up. The small amount of Hdrol helps, as well. Libidio is in full swing. I'm expecting to put on about three pounds more in the next three weeks with no change in waist size. I'm going to increase volume and go for heavy weight with slow eccentric during this next week of my power phase of my Power/Rep Range/Shock program.

**Pirate!** · 01-14-2009, 09:33 PM

Recovery has been improving, and I'm able to handle higher volume without overtraining. Libido stays high, and energy is great. I'm now using Hdrol on workout days, which is typically three days a week.

PreMier · 01-14-2009, 09:39 PM

are you using hcg at all?

**Pirate!** · 01-15-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

are you using hcg at all?

Yeah. Nice Goatee!

I'm on TRT with HCG, which definitely contributes to my energy and wellbeing while on cycle.

Moondogg · 01-21-2009, 10:58 AM

Any more updates on this Pirate?

Cane · 01-22-2009, 03:25 PM

I would love to know if you would recommend it or not. The total package is on sale for 150$ PCT and all including 2 bottles.

**Pirate!** · 01-22-2009, 11:36 PM

I've still got a half of a bottle to finish. I would recommend this product to people who understand that it's not a serious mass builders. It's a safe an effective way to add some mass, lose some fat, and feel great with no adverse health effects.

If you are used to the instant gratification of a cycle of harsh orals every couple months, you may be disappointed with it.

Ideal scenario is this:
1) You've been hormone free for 3+ months or are a newb to prohormones.
and
2) You go through 2 bottles, using HCG while on.

With the above and the right diet, many will find 1-T greatly assist a recomp. I like it alot, although it isn't a big mass builder. The only sides have been benefits for me while on TRT.

Cane · 01-23-2009, 11:52 AM

Im new to all this so this question might sound stupid but what is HCG?

thank you for replying pirate,
cane

**Pirate!** · 01-23-2009, 10:39 PM

Human chorionic gonadotropin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cane · 01-24-2009, 01:57 PM

thanks for the info.

Primordial · 01-27-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I've still got a half of a bottle to finish. I would recommend this product to people who understand that it's not a serious mass builders. It's a safe an effective way to add some mass, lose some fat, and feel great with no adverse health effects.

If you are used to the instant gratification of a cycle of harsh orals every couple months, you may be disappointed with it.

Ideal scenario is this:
1) You've been hormone free for 3+ months or are a newb to prohormones.
and
2) You go through 2 bottles, using HCG while on.

With the above and the right diet, many will find 1-T greatly assist a recomp. I like it alot, although it isn't a big mass builder. The only sides have been benefits for me while on TRT.

Good summery Pirate. Even the guys that notice 10-15lbs gains with 1-T notice virtually zero side-effects. [aside from suppression]

I wouldn’t say that hCG is needed for only a 6 week cycle. Any longer than this, and I think it would be a good idea though.

And yes, the HMS is on sale now for $150.00 Just use the code 150HMS in the coupon field at Primordial Performance

-Eric

**Pirate!** · 01-27-2009, 09:12 PM

I don't think HCG is necessary for recovery. It would just be useful for having the benefits that come along with normal testosterone levels during cycle. Thanks again, Eric. Your product is top notch. Clear benefits and no negative health sides.

Back2gym · 05-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Hi Pirate, what is your guestimate on lbs of fat loss/ lbs of muscle gain at this point

**Pirate!** · 05-07-2009, 09:28 PM

Well, I finished the cycle a good while ago. A rough estimate would be that I gained and kept up to two pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat. Felt great with zero sides and bloodwork was fine.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-07-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

Well, I finished the cycle a good while ago. A rough estimate would be that I gained and kept up to two pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat. Felt great with zero sides and bloodwork was fine.

For gains like that I would rather spend my money on better food choices at the store. I'm not too impressed.

**Pirate!** · 05-08-2009, 07:20 AM

The most profound benefit for me was the nutrient partitioning and a little hardening. I wan't disappointed, and I think a higher concentrate would have yielded better results. I had to apply a ton of lotion. It's a good option for newbies, but I've done a fair amount of gear in the past.

Stewart14 · 05-08-2009, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

The most profound benefit for me was the nutrient partitioning and a little hardening. I wan't disappointed, and I think a higher concentrate would have yielded better results. I had to apply a ton of lotion. It's a good option for newbies, but I've done a fair amount of gear in the past.

Maybe Primordial's 1-T Tren would be your next step? By all accounts, it's supposed to be "stronger" than the 1-T. If I didn't have small kids at home and have to worry about the lotion getting onto things it shouldn't, I would have probably tried that one, but since I had to go with a less "messy" solution, for now I am going with the 1-Andro RX

**Pirate!** · 05-08-2009, 09:37 AM

I'll be going with 1-Andro RX next time, although the 1-Tren is tempting, too. It's going to be a few months before I cycle anything again.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-08-2009, 12:56 PM

1-TU and other old PS are a thing of the past. I think these supplement companies are grasping at straws trying to make a near steroid product. For the poor return on investment aspect of these compounds I wouldn't even consider taking them. There is no such thing as near gear anymore, and I think the laws governing this has made it near impossible to make something like the old PS ever again. It will have to be some crazy breakthrough in science that creates the next breed of steroids, and it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it...sport athletes will use it for years before anyone tries to market it to the general public for consumption.

forman · 05-08-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it....

how could it be ruined if we wont know about it?

i dont think smart ppl are buying this shit thinking they are on a test/dbol cycle and are gonna get similar results, then again, their arent many smart ppl either.

workingatit43 · 05-08-2009, 02:07 PM

Very detailed log nice job.

Primordial · 05-12-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

1-TU and other old PS are a thing of the past. I think these supplement companies are grasping at straws trying to make a near steroid product. For the poor return on investment aspect of these compounds I wouldn't even consider taking them. There is no such thing as near gear anymore, and I think the laws governing this has made it near impossible to make something like the old PS ever again. It will have to be some crazy breakthrough in science that creates the next breed of steroids, and it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it...sport athletes will use it for years before anyone tries to market it to the general public for consumption.

19-nor (TREN) is pretty damn real and is a very potent anabolic. (only requires one conversion to become dienolone which has the same anabolic and androgenic binding affinity as nandrolone... although it tends to be more characteristic of trenbolone)

Odds are it will be banned within the next 6 months… but then again, its been on the market for awhile and its been clean thus far…

-Eric

TrojanMan60563 · 05-14-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primordial

19-nor (TREN) is pretty damn real and is a very potent anabolic. (only requires one conversion to become dienolone which has the same anabolic and androgenic binding affinity as nandrolone... although it tends to be more characteristic of trenbolone)
Odds are it will be banned within the next 6 months… but then again, its been on the market for awhile and its been clean thus far…

-Eric

That is like saying 1-AD is just as good as taking 1-T...can you compare the two just because 1-AD is supposed to turn into 1-T? I took both and they are nothing close to the same at all.

Until someone that has taken tren before takes TREN and confims this product comes even close to the real thing I have to just label as mentioned before. If dienolone is similar to nandrolone, but plays out like trenbolone I have to question how this product didn't come from a shot in the dark that happened to do something.

Primordial · 05-16-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

That is like saying 1-AD is just as good as taking 1-T...can you compare the two just because 1-AD is supposed to turn into 1-T? I took both and they are nothing close to the same at all.

Until someone that has taken tren before takes TREN and confims this product comes even close to the real thing I have to just label as mentioned before. If dienolone is similar to nandrolone, but plays out like trenbolone I have to question how this product didn't come from a shot in the dark that happened to do something.

Dienolone's structure is right inbetween nandrolone and trenbolone, but since it doesnt aromatize, its a bit more like trenbolone.

Dienolone is a readily available steroidial intermediate used in China to produce trenbolone. They just attach anther double bond to it to enhance the androgen/progestin binding affinity. (to make it as strong as possible for those heifers)

Ive used both trenbolone and the 19-nor dienolone precursor and I can say without a doubt that it is comparable… but obviously not as powerful as tren… but still plenty powerful to make very considerable gains.

-Eric

TrojanMan60563 · 05-16-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primordial

Dienolone's structure is right inbetween nandrolone and trenbolone, but since it doesnt aromatize, its a bit more like trenbolone.

Dienolone is a readily available steroidial intermediate used in China to produce trenbolone. They just attach anther double bond to it to enhance the androgen/progestin binding affinity. (to make it as strong as possible for those heifers)

Ive used both trenbolone and the 19-nor dienolone precursor and I can say without a doubt that it is comparable… but obviously not as powerful as tren… but still plenty powerful to make very considerable gains.
-Eric

I have never used tren due to the high risk of increased anxiety. I have issues with anxiety/panic without gear so on most compounds I do get increased anxiety. Some worse then others but with the side effect being common with tren I have never used it. Do you have an opinion if "tren" the supplement has the same anxiety side effects as the real deal? If not maybe I would give it a run for 6-8 weeks to see what results are noted. I have not been very motivated to do another AAS cycle, but might try and keep an open mind.

Primordial · 05-19-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I have never used tren due to the high risk of increased anxiety. I have issues with anxiety/panic without gear so on most compounds I do get increased anxiety. Some worse then others but with the side effect being common with tren I have never used it. Do you have an opinion if "tren" the supplement has the same anxiety side effects as the real deal? If not maybe I would give it a run for 6-8 weeks to see what results are noted. I have not been very motivated to do another AAS cycle, but might try and keep an open mind.

I’ve actually never head of trenbolone causing “anxiety”, but I know it causes “aggression” and “sensitivity to things that make you annoyed”… and our 1-T TREN seems to have the same effect…. Buts its not like an uncomfortable nervous anxiety time feel…. Its more of a motivation to do stuff type feel.

Hell if you are anxiety prone you may want to consider the Sustain Alpha. The 7,8-benzoflavone has some great anti-anxiety benefits.

-Eric

chronicelite · 05-20-2009, 02:14 PM

So Pirate! what did your full PCT consist of?

TrojanMan60563 · 05-20-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primordial

I’ve actually never head of trenbolone causing “anxiety”, but I know it causes “aggression” and “sensitivity to things that make you annoyed”… and our 1-T TREN seems to have the same effect…. Buts its not like an uncomfortable nervous anxiety time feel…. Its more of a motivation to do stuff type feel.

Hell if you are anxiety prone you may want to consider the Sustain Alpha. The 7,8-benzoflavone has some great anti-anxiety benefits.

-Eric

2mg xanax seems to work wonders for my anxiety...best benzo I know of

Is that an anti-anxiety supplement, or PH/PS type drug?

I had heard trenbolone isn't a good steriod of choice for anxiety prone people. I had issues even on 150mg EOD of test propionate, and quite a bit actually on 500mg EW of Enanthate/300mg deca. I am not sure why the steroids increased my anxiety, but it did. All gear use was before taking anything to control anxiety. I assume I could control the anxiety much better now.

01-09-2009, 10:50 PM	#63
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	Let's keep this thread as my log and not discussion between various parties. I've added a few pounds of muscle. Aside from slight muscle tension, I'm feeling grand. I'm taking two days off from the 1-T while I travel for the weekend. Had a great workout today. Recovery is improving now that my calories are up. The small amount of Hdrol helps, as well. Libidio is in full swing. I'm expecting to put on about three pounds more in the next three weeks with no change in waist size. I'm going to increase volume and go for heavy weight with slow eccentric during this next week of my power phase of my Power/Rep Range/Shock program. My 1-Andro RX Journal

01-14-2009, 09:33 PM	#64
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	Recovery has been improving, and I'm able to handle higher volume without overtraining. Libido stays high, and energy is great. I'm now using Hdrol on workout days, which is typically three days a week. My 1-Andro RX Journal

01-14-2009, 09:39 PM	#65
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,959 Photos: 2	are you using hcg at all? P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

01-22-2009, 11:36 PM	#69
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	I've still got a half of a bottle to finish. I would recommend this product to people who understand that it's not a serious mass builders. It's a safe an effective way to add some mass, lose some fat, and feel great with no adverse health effects. If you are used to the instant gratification of a cycle of harsh orals every couple months, you may be disappointed with it. Ideal scenario is this: 1) You've been hormone free for 3+ months or are a newb to prohormones. and 2) You go through 2 bottles, using HCG while on. With the above and the right diet, many will find 1-T greatly assist a recomp. I like it alot, although it isn't a big mass builder. The only sides have been benefits for me while on TRT. My 1-Andro RX Journal

01-23-2009, 10:39 PM	#71
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	Human chorionic gonadotropin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia My 1-Andro RX Journal

01-09-2009, 02:35 PM	#62
Cane Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 43	Do you have to use PCT when using 1-T for only 4 weeks? I would love to try this product but i dont want to see the negative side effects that some products produce. If you do have to use PCT, what types of products does primordial performance sell? specs: 5'10" 175 8%BF

01-21-2009, 10:58 AM	#67
Moondogg Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 802	Any more updates on this Pirate?

01-22-2009, 03:25 PM	#68
Cane Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 43	I would love to know if you would recommend it or not. The total package is on sale for 150$ PCT and all including 2 bottles.

01-23-2009, 11:52 AM	#70
Cane Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 43	Im new to all this so this question might sound stupid but what is HCG? thank you for replying pirate, cane

01-24-2009, 01:57 PM	#72
Cane Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 43	thanks for the info.

01-27-2009, 09:12 PM	#74
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	I don't think HCG is necessary for recovery. It would just be useful for having the benefits that come along with normal testosterone levels during cycle. Thanks again, Eric. Your product is top notch. Clear benefits and no negative health sides. My 1-Andro RX Journal

05-07-2009, 05:48 PM	#75
Back2gym Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 57 Photos: 2	Hi Pirate, what is your guestimate on lbs of fat loss/ lbs of muscle gain at this point http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...wyld59/pic.jpg

05-07-2009, 09:28 PM	#76
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	Well, I finished the cycle a good while ago. A rough estimate would be that I gained and kept up to two pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat. Felt great with zero sides and bloodwork was fine. My 1-Andro RX Journal

05-08-2009, 07:20 AM	#78
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	The most profound benefit for me was the nutrient partitioning and a little hardening. I wan't disappointed, and I think a higher concentrate would have yielded better results. I had to apply a ton of lotion. It's a good option for newbies, but I've done a fair amount of gear in the past. My 1-Andro RX Journal

05-08-2009, 09:37 AM	#80
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,144	I'll be going with 1-Andro RX next time, although the 1-Tren is tempting, too. It's going to be a few months before I cycle anything again. My 1-Andro RX Journal

05-08-2009, 12:56 PM	#81
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,387 Photos: 1	1-TU and other old PS are a thing of the past. I think these supplement companies are grasping at straws trying to make a near steroid product. For the poor return on investment aspect of these compounds I wouldn't even consider taking them. There is no such thing as near gear anymore, and I think the laws governing this has made it near impossible to make something like the old PS ever again. It will have to be some crazy breakthrough in science that creates the next breed of steroids, and it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it...sport athletes will use it for years before anyone tries to market it to the general public for consumption.

05-08-2009, 02:07 PM	#83
workingatit43 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,708	Very detailed log nice job.

05-20-2009, 02:14 PM	#89
chronicelite Member Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 473	So Pirate! what did your full PCT consist of?

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