Pirate's Primordial Performance 1-T Journey

**Pirate!** · 12-07-2008, 08:40 PM

I will be using 1-T at 4 pumps/day for no less than 27 days. If I enjoy the product as much as I hope, I might spring for a second bottle and extend the cycle.

I don’t intend to keep a detailed log. Instead, I hope to offer useful subjective feedback. I’ve used my share of old school 1-AD, M1T, and 1-T esterfied gels during the time preceding the ban. I’ve also done a handful of steroid cycles, but it’s been over two years since the last one.

I’ve been an avid weight lifter for almost 6 years. I’ve had a great deal of setbacks along the way, including surgery on each shoulder and a knee. I’m on doctor prescribed Testosterone Replacement Therapy, but I’m otherwise in excellent health.

I won’t get into measurements, weight etc. I will say I’m well below my peak. I don’t plan to review this product in terms of numbers.

If you care to follow along, you will just have to trust that I know what to look for in judging anabolic hormones. I’m very in touch with my body, especially my chemistry. I’ve practiced as a sports nutritionist, and consider myself highly competent in that area. I will be following a PRRS work out program designed by Eric Broser (GoPro) that has given me great results in the past.
Much of what I will relate in this thread will be my impressions in the areas of energy, recovery, pump, strength, stamina, gains, vascularity, ability to squeeze out more reps etc…

Blood work has checked out fine. I may or may not do follow up bloodwork. I’ll be making notes of sides, such lethargy, joint aches, painful back pumps etc, as well.

I just put the first 4 pumps on before bed tonight. 4 pumps is a lot of gel! Applied to entire torso region and upper arms (except upper back that I can’t reach). Absorbs amazingly well! The pump canister is top-notch, and the product makes a great presentation.

I’ll update again after a few workouts. It’s going to be fun taking a product that shouldn’t destroy my lipids or liver.

jchappj · 12-08-2008, 03:58 AM

Nice Pirate! Looking forward to the lpg.

soxmuscle · 12-08-2008, 08:18 AM

this is cool.

**IainDaniel** · 12-08-2008, 08:20 AM

Not to jump off track.

How are the shoulders now? What did you have done?

lucifuge · 12-08-2008, 08:17 PM

I'm in, this will be interesting.

**Pirate!** · 12-08-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

How are the shoulders now? What did you have done?

I had osteolysis of the distal clavicle, bursitis, and bone spurs. The surgery consisted of receding the clavicle a few mm to signal the bone to stop disintegrating, filing the spurs, shaving frayed tendon and removing a large portion of bursa. Itâ€™s been a few years, and the shoulders are much better. One shoulder still has minor bursitis, but I manage it by keeping my RC and serratus conditioned well. Icing and cervical traction has proven helpful, as well. Had I been more proactive in caring for shoulder stability and balance going into weight lifting, itâ€™s likely that my shoulders wouldnâ€™t have had to suffer the abuse I put them through by training ignorantly for so long.

Back day went well. Nothing special to report at this time. Next lifting session is Wednesday.

kicka19 · 12-08-2008, 09:35 PM

im going to follow this, pirate knows his shit

Primordial · 12-09-2008, 12:21 AM

Cool.. good to see the log Pirate!

-Eric

jwalk127 · 12-09-2008, 04:59 PM

looking forward to seeing the results!

deathbypoops · 12-09-2008, 09:05 PM

subbed

TrojanMan60563 · 12-09-2008, 10:24 PM

Pirate are you taking the HRT during your current cycle? Do you know approx where your test levels are on HRT? Nice thing should be your test levels staying up while using this product. That is for sure an advantage if that is what you are doing.

Best of luck...maybe I'll be interested in such a cycle in a few months depending on how things go for you. I too am on HRT via doctor.

**Pirate!** · 12-10-2008, 05:54 PM

Yes, I’m staying on my prescribed dose of Test. It keeps me around 800 ng/dl.

The DHEA and pregnelone seem to be helping with energy production and fatigue reduction. Otherwise, nothing to note at this time.

JKurz · 12-10-2008, 06:31 PM

subbed

**Pirate!** · 12-12-2008, 08:57 PM

I haven't experienced improved recovery yet, unfortunately. However, my libido has gone way up. My test levels are already in the upper end of natural range from TRT, but this topical DHEA is making a noticable difference in that department.

It's pretty early on, but I can say that 1-T does not give me the instant gratification of a good oral, like H-Drol. Then again, oral 1-ad took weeks to do it's magic.

PreMier · 12-12-2008, 10:14 PM

following

workingatit43 · 12-13-2008, 02:36 PM

Subbed

Primordial · 12-14-2008, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I haven't experienced improved recovery yet, unfortunately. However, my libido has gone way up. My test levels are already in the upper end of natural range from TRT, but this topical DHEA is making a noticable difference in that department.

It's pretty early on, but I can say that 1-T does not give me the instant gratification of a good oral, like H-Drol. Then again, oral 1-ad took weeks to do it's magic.

What are you training/dieting for right now Pirate?

-Eric

**Pirate!** · 12-15-2008, 08:20 AM

I'm in caloric defecit of ~500 calories per day. The fat is coming off nicely, and I'm having a slight improvement in definition.

No performance increase on this diet, but I'm going to add more carbs/calories next week for my shock week.

I feel really good.

Primordial · 12-15-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I'm in caloric defecit of ~500 calories per day. The fat is coming off nicely, and I'm having a slight improvement in definition.

No performance increase on this diet, but I'm going to add more carbs/calories next week for my shock week.

I feel really good.

Nice, I think the 1-T will work very nice for this purpose.

The DHEA has pretty high conversion to 7-keto DHEA too which is very thermogenic, so that will help cut you up for sure.

-Eric

**Pirate!** · 12-17-2008, 08:26 AM

Energy and well-being is still there, although I don't know if that would be true if I wasn't staying on my Testosterone replacement dose.

During my chest and bi workout yesterday, I noticed a little cramping in my right pec and bi. Nothing major, but very unordinary for me. Still no improvement in recovery or performance enhancement.

angel77 · 12-19-2008, 09:34 AM

subbed......

The libido jump looks very nice to me. I'm havin' serious libido problems post cycle. How long before you noticed libido improvement?

**Pirate!** · 12-22-2008, 07:32 PM

My libido improved during the first week. The mirror suggests slight progress. I'm having some minor joint aching, which was common for me on old school 1-T products. Nothing problematic, though. I had a killer back workout today. I'm hoping to recover quickly. Energy and wellness continues to be above normal.

PreMier · 12-22-2008, 08:28 PM

have you noticed any weight gain, or strength increases (even ever so slight?)

Primordial · 12-23-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

have you noticed any weight gain, or strength increases (even ever so slight?)

We are noticing guys are dropping a lot of bodyfat while on 1-Tâ€¦ like its acting more as a cutting than a bulkerâ€¦

Did you happen to get your BF checked prior to starting Pirate?

-Eric

**Pirate!** · 12-23-2008, 06:02 PM

I did not get my bodyfat checked. Workouts are a bit more productive, and recovery between workouts is going well. Strength and weight haven't changed significantly. It's pretty early on, though.

TrojanMan60563 · 12-23-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primordial

We are noticing guys are dropping a lot of bodyfat while on 1-Tâ€¦ like its acting more as a cutting than a bulkerâ€¦

Did you happen to get your BF checked prior to starting Pirate?

-Eric

That is odd because my experience with 1-TU was something like 18lbs gained in 6 weeks. I gained a ton of strength too. I wasn't dieting to but, but I cant say I ate anymore then normal either.

Chevrolet · 12-23-2008, 09:38 PM

what is this stuff now? a topical pro hormone?
hey i have distal clavicle osteolysis too. my whole shoulder girdle is kinda f'ed up from years of bad lifting practices.

**dg806** · 12-23-2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

That is odd because my experience with 1-TU was something like 18lbs gained in 6 weeks. I gained a ton of strength too. I wasn't dieting to but, but I cant say I ate anymore then normal either.

These two are not even close. Just remember, Totally different compounds.

TrojanMan60563 · 12-24-2008, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

These two are not even close. Just remember, Totally different compounds.

I guess when I see transdermal 1T I feel like it is the same thing.

I am pissed Nutrex has stopped making that product in every country. I would drive up to Canada on a weekend to stock up on that stuff without a doubt if it was still sold. I had a great 1TU experience.

DG so is this 1T product converted into 1AD, and that is converted into 1T? If that is the case I am suprised it works much at all. I tried 1AD before 1TU and there was a drastic difference between the two. If I remember correctly 1AD gets converted to 1T in the body?

**Pirate!** · 12-27-2008, 11:37 AM

I'm experiencing:

Increased libido
Improved energy/wellness
Improved nutrient repartioning-fat loss
Very little anabolism
No strength change while losing some fat
Some improvement in recovery
More definition in mirror
No increase in pump or muscle hardness

It's still early on for a compound like this, and I it's likely that the dose is too low for me. I'd like to run it at 6 pumps/day for a few weeks for a better evaluation, but my stock is low.

Eric, will you donate another bottle so that I can run it at 6 pumps a day for a few more weeks?

BTW, I neglected to mention and thank Eric at Primordial Performance for donating a bottle of 1-T at my request.

12-07-2008, 08:40 PM	#1
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Pirate's Primordial Performance 1-T Journey I will be using 1-T at 4 pumps/day for no less than 27 days. If I enjoy the product as much as I hope, I might spring for a second bottle and extend the cycle. I don’t intend to keep a detailed log. Instead, I hope to offer useful subjective feedback. I’ve used my share of old school 1-AD, M1T, and 1-T esterfied gels during the time preceding the ban. I’ve also done a handful of steroid cycles, but it’s been over two years since the last one. I’ve been an avid weight lifter for almost 6 years. I’ve had a great deal of setbacks along the way, including surgery on each shoulder and a knee. I’m on doctor prescribed Testosterone Replacement Therapy, but I’m otherwise in excellent health. I won’t get into measurements, weight etc. I will say I’m well below my peak. I don’t plan to review this product in terms of numbers. If you care to follow along, you will just have to trust that I know what to look for in judging anabolic hormones. I’m very in touch with my body, especially my chemistry. I’ve practiced as a sports nutritionist, and consider myself highly competent in that area. I will be following a PRRS work out program designed by Eric Broser (GoPro) that has given me great results in the past. Much of what I will relate in this thread will be my impressions in the areas of energy, recovery, pump, strength, stamina, gains, vascularity, ability to squeeze out more reps etc… Blood work has checked out fine. I may or may not do follow up bloodwork. I’ll be making notes of sides, such lethargy, joint aches, painful back pumps etc, as well. I just put the first 4 pumps on before bed tonight. 4 pumps is a lot of gel! Applied to entire torso region and upper arms (except upper back that I can’t reach). Absorbs amazingly well! The pump canister is top-notch, and the product makes a great presentation. I’ll update again after a few workouts. It’s going to be fun taking a product that shouldn’t destroy my lipids or liver. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-08-2008, 03:58 AM	#2
jchappj I Don't Feel Tardy! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 624 Photos: 6	Nice Pirate! Looking forward to the lpg. Peace!

12-08-2008, 08:18 AM	#3
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 10,045 Photos: 10	this is cool. Age: 20 \| Height: 5'7" \| Weight: 150 lbs \| Penis: 12 inches

12-08-2008, 08:20 AM	#4
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	Not to jump off track. How are the shoulders now? What did you have done? Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

12-09-2008, 12:21 AM	#8
Primordial Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OR Posts: 161	Cool.. good to see the log Pirate! -Eric Toco-8 - the best tocotrienol supplement. www.primordialperformance.com

12-08-2008, 08:17 PM	#5
lucifuge 100 Proof Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane Posts: 1,473 Photos: 14	I'm in, this will be interesting.

12-09-2008, 04:59 PM	#9
jwalk127 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 152	looking forward to seeing the results!

12-09-2008, 09:05 PM	#10
deathbypoops Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 130	subbed "you thought it was over, its not over, I came back, I brought my axe!!!! Journal

12-09-2008, 10:24 PM	#11
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	Pirate are you taking the HRT during your current cycle? Do you know approx where your test levels are on HRT? Nice thing should be your test levels staying up while using this product. That is for sure an advantage if that is what you are doing. Best of luck...maybe I'll be interested in such a cycle in a few months depending on how things go for you. I too am on HRT via doctor.

12-10-2008, 05:54 PM	#12
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Yes, I’m staying on my prescribed dose of Test. It keeps me around 800 ng/dl. The DHEA and pregnelone seem to be helping with energy production and fatigue reduction. Otherwise, nothing to note at this time. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-10-2008, 06:31 PM	#13
JKurz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62	subbed

12-12-2008, 08:57 PM	#14
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I haven't experienced improved recovery yet, unfortunately. However, my libido has gone way up. My test levels are already in the upper end of natural range from TRT, but this topical DHEA is making a noticable difference in that department. It's pretty early on, but I can say that 1-T does not give me the instant gratification of a good oral, like H-Drol. Then again, oral 1-ad took weeks to do it's magic. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-12-2008, 10:14 PM	#15
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	following P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-13-2008, 02:36 PM	#16
workingatit43 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,708	Subbed

12-15-2008, 08:20 AM	#18
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I'm in caloric defecit of ~500 calories per day. The fat is coming off nicely, and I'm having a slight improvement in definition. No performance increase on this diet, but I'm going to add more carbs/calories next week for my shock week. I feel really good. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-17-2008, 08:26 AM	#20
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Energy and well-being is still there, although I don't know if that would be true if I wasn't staying on my Testosterone replacement dose. During my chest and bi workout yesterday, I noticed a little cramping in my right pec and bi. Nothing major, but very unordinary for me. Still no improvement in recovery or performance enhancement. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-19-2008, 09:34 AM	#21
angel77 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 146	subbed...... The libido jump looks very nice to me. I'm havin' serious libido problems post cycle. How long before you noticed libido improvement?

12-22-2008, 07:32 PM	#22
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	My libido improved during the first week. The mirror suggests slight progress. I'm having some minor joint aching, which was common for me on old school 1-T products. Nothing problematic, though. I had a killer back workout today. I'm hoping to recover quickly. Energy and wellness continues to be above normal. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-22-2008, 08:28 PM	#23
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	have you noticed any weight gain, or strength increases (even ever so slight?) P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-23-2008, 06:02 PM	#25
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I did not get my bodyfat checked. Workouts are a bit more productive, and recovery between workouts is going well. Strength and weight haven't changed significantly. It's pretty early on, though. My 1-Andro RX Journal

12-23-2008, 09:38 PM	#27
Chevrolet Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 148	what is this stuff now? a topical pro hormone? hey i have distal clavicle osteolysis too. my whole shoulder girdle is kinda f'ed up from years of bad lifting practices. Carpe Diem

12-27-2008, 11:37 AM	#30
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I'm experiencing: Increased libido Improved energy/wellness Improved nutrient repartioning-fat loss Very little anabolism No strength change while losing some fat Some improvement in recovery More definition in mirror No increase in pump or muscle hardness It's still early on for a compound like this, and I it's likely that the dose is too low for me. I'd like to run it at 6 pumps/day for a few weeks for a better evaluation, but my stock is low. Eric, will you donate another bottle so that I can run it at 6 pumps a day for a few more weeks? BTW, I neglected to mention and thank Eric at Primordial Performance for donating a bottle of 1-T at my request. My 1-Andro RX Journal

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