Thread: Best (least sides) compound for dealing with progesterone when on Tren or Deca?

Did my first cycle of Test E plus Tren (normally do straight Test E) and loved it. Usually I rely on aromatase inhibitor (Arim) rather than blocking at the receptor (Tamoxifen/Clomid) as main defence against gyno, but I knew this wasn't going to do the trick when on Tren and I believe the same holds true for Deca. The progesterone alone can't give problems but if there's any estrogen in the system then it works together in a way most of us don't want. I controlled it with 40mg tamoxifen per day - good job I had some on hand as advised.

I read all I could find on the board and it seems like there are three ways in which people overcome this particular side-effect:

• Winstrol
• Tamoxifen/Nolva
• Proviron

In tackling gyno, I don't want to cause more problems in other areas like liver or lipids so I'd appreciate an informed discussion on the pros and cons of each. I'd particularly like to know which whacks the liver hardest.

Winstrol: popular but I think this hits the liver hardest. I'm not looking for any additional anabolic action.

Tamoxifen/Nolva: I know this affects the liver and lipids but not how hard (at say 40mg per day).

Proviron: this is already an androgenic enough cycle for me so I'm not keen to include a pure androgen in the mix. I don't know how it affects liver and lipids, but I'm pretty sure it won't do my prostate any favours.

All contributions gratefully received but hard evidence (like comparative blood tests) and views of people who've tried two or three of these compounds would be most helpful to everyone on the forum.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by largepkg

You're on a fairly low dose already. You're experiencing gyno with this low a dose?

Yup, have always been sensitive to gyno and partly to BP though thankfully I don't get acne or other obvious problems. Affects left more than right, sensitive on both but lump on left quickly addressed with nolva. Frustrating as hell!

I'm nearly 50 years old and don't know whether this makes a difference.

Good news on this first test-and-tren cycle was that unlike my usual 500mg Test E per week I didn't have even a slight rise in BP. It's always been in safe range but my face looks flushed when on straight Test; on half-test, half-tren, no probs of this nature.

Pirate: thanks for that reassurance. I use AG Guys Arim drops so easy to accurately adjust dose. I know I need to control the estrogen rather than kill it so adjust as necessary. Having sorted this on straight Test, I have to say that the gyno impact on Tren did take me by surprise at this dose. But I'm learning.

All the best,

Flash