Thread: virgin to aas

Youve got pretty good stats and have clearly done some research, however you have got a lot of room left to grow naturally and from the info youve posted your training doesnt seem the best.

What does you diet look like?

Moondog,
Thanx for the reply...
Diet is roughly 3000 calories/day with 200+grams protein/day.

Training tends to exceed what I posted, that is figuratively speaking to make my post easier...
Currently:- 5-7 excercises each muscle... Lifting heavy, first set to failure...+ 10lbs each set, usually need a spot on last two reps
Mon: chest and triceps
Tues: abs, bis and back...cardio
Wed: legs only
Thurs: abs, shoulders and neck
Fri: burnout all groups 3 exercises lighter weights to 21+ reps

Thanx in advance
-prsxefod

Bump... For "experienced" users.... Just realized I was talking to an 18 year old

18 or not, he's right your training is off, your over training by alot

5-7 exercises each muscle group X 4 sets, WTF

Large muscle groups 4-5 exercises small muscle group like bi's and tri's should only be 3
You'll grow if you train less.

I'm no expert but what i've told you is pretty common knowlege and i'm sure others will agree

Bako,

thank you for the advice, i understand my training to be excessive. (per my personal trainer)...but i will not discuss AAS with him.

my figurative weekly training that i posted first is what i will be baseing my cycle off ...
...any advice towards the cycle, PCT.. etc. is what i am aiming for.

-my goals are 13-18lbs by end of cycle

Originally Posted by prsxefod

Bump... For "experienced" users.... Just realized I was talking to an 18 year old

I find that funny, so will most here who know me and have read my posts. I not all knowing, but I know a damm sight more than you if thats how you set up a training program.

Good luck.

Moon,
I respect ur advice and ur opinion, but I am lookin for advice on the cycle...and the figurative training program with that cycle.
I am not criticizing your intelligence, but I would like an indivifual who is experienced with aas to assist with my program..
Thanks for ur understanding.

Originally Posted by prsxefod

Moon,
I respect ur advice and ur opinion, but I am lookin for advice on the cycle...and the figurative training program with that cycle.
I am not criticizing your intelligence, but I would like an indivifual who is experienced with aas to assist with my program..
Thanks for ur understanding.

Cool, I can understand that.

But you training program will follow the same path using whether your using AAS or training natural. Except youll be able to handle more volume and be able to include more isolation work into you training.

But ill let someone else tell you that.

Training and diet have to be on point to get the most out of AAS.

Moon,

I am not going to start an arguement with you. You seem like you kno that steroids will inevitably allow nd increase in weight(volume) being lifted (more strength)?
...I do believe every person on here knows that...

My thread is me asking advice from experienced users on the main topics:
Reason being the "have experience with aas!
Again, not to insult you intelligence but 18 years old, you shouldn't have had hands on experience with aas yet and if you have your experience from those cycles are not wut I'm looking for.
I.E.
How does the actual aas cycle look how I put it together?
How can I better that cycle without adding other aas?
As far as training, what can be done better to see the results I want?
If you feel my diet is off for this cycle please input your advice!

Originally Posted by prsxefod

Moon,

I am not going to start an arguement with you. You seem like you kno that steroids will inevitably allow nd increase in weight(volume) being lifted (more strength)?
...I do believe every person on here knows that...

My thread is me asking advice from experienced users on the main topics:
Reason being the "have experience with aas!
Again, not to insult you intelligence but 18 years old, you shouldn't have had hands on experience with aas yet and if you have your experience from those cycles are not wut I'm looking for.
I.E.
How does the actual aas cycle look how I put it together?
How can I better that cycle without adding other aas?
As far as training, what can be done better to see the results I want?
If you feel my diet is off for this cycle please input your advice!

Haha, bud when I said that cool, I meant it. Sorry if what I posted made you think im pissed off. You explained yourself and I can understand.

However the point I was making was that your training will follow the same pather whether using AAS or not, apart from increased volume and more isolation work. I am currently learning about AAS (for future use) but dont feel I am in a position yet to give advice. However I do think I could be of help in trying to optimize you training and diet. Lets see what we can do.

You bf% is pretty low, which will help you while using AAS, due to less estrogen conversion and better calorie partitioning. And it is good that you know how many cals you are eating, do you track everyday?

Your training program needs a bit of work, and it might be better to just start from scratch. Your still using a bodypart split, this is old fashioned. You will get far better results splitting you training into movements rather than bodyparts, e.g. push + pull (both horizontal and vertical), quad and ham dominant days.

Do you have any lagging body parts you would like to bring up during the cycle?

Before I spend time writing a really detailed post I want to make sure you actually interested and im not wasting my time. Let me know.

Start your PCT week 12 and extend it to five weeks.

drop the winny if your bulking, no point, maybe add dbol or somethen if your set on using an oral

prsxefod, can you give me a bit more information about your diet and training?

What is your squat, your bench and your deadlift (any style)?
Are you currently gaining weight?

if your bulking id try to get in single bf percentages, if your bulking drop the winny, what are you tryn to do, cut or bulk?

if your bulking or cutting id go 1-16 500mg test E eitherway with no orals, many will disagree and say go for shorter cycles but from personal experience you hold more from longer simpler cycles compared to short complicated stacks, gotta let the meat cure

...Everytime I see this thread title I think It says Ass....

everytime i see the phrase, "he's so natty" i think homo, just kiddn, i like ur style but that phrase drives me crazy

You're an ass virgin?

Don't worry, anal isn't all that it's talked up to be.

Gents,
Thank you all for reading the post and replying. i appologize for my delay in responding.

I do count my calories intake to be 2500-300 per day. with a protein ca of 250g, usually 205-210...

Bench: 230 2x
Squat: 400 max
Dead: 395 max

Again, all replys and advice are greatly appreciated!!!
-prsxefod
---i will mantain my anal virginity through life and death! lol

....my goals are to gain a solid 15(give or take) pounds by end of cycle... and to cut access water retention by summer!

Thanks again!

bump...

GENTS,
thanks every1 for your previous replies!

I am withink 1week of starting my cycle and have updated stats:
i am still 5'8", now weighing 168 @ just under 8% bf..(caliper 3 pinch)
i am considering droppin the winny, although i do want to have a nice cut after this cycle...
should i keep it in or just run the test e for 10 weeks alone?
Bench: 265 max
squat: 410 max
dead: 380 max
just went for the 1000lb club again at my local gym, lol im the smallest dude throwin them up!
here is sum measurements(havent measured legs yet)
bis- 15.0
neck- 16.5
waist - 31
chest- 43
forearm-12.5

again, goal is to gain 10-15 lbs quality muscle and maintain low b/f% (id prefer to keep the cut)
diet: 4000+calories
prot: 330+

ive taken every1s input into suggestion and tweaked my training also...
weekly:
3-4 exercises / sets: 12, 10, 8, 6
mon- cardio 30-45 minutes / light abs
tues- chest and back
wed- full legs / hard abs
thurs- bis, tris, forearms / light cardio (15 minutes)
fri- shoulders / neck / hard abs

Anything i missed that could helps yous help me? let me know please!

lagging body parts in my opinion are chest, calves and bis

Man your powerlifting is amazing, keep going.
I don't think this has anything to do with what you want to hear, but an advice is to drop the cardio to a lower time limit. This is because it not only burns off the fat, but may burn off a tiny bit of hard-gained muscle you achieved. Instead, do speed intervals (sprints) for about 5-10 minutes, just to open up the muscles and release better blood flow. Also, of course - you're gettin your cardio/endurance.
Hope that helps, if not, correct my mistakes. I'm here to learn and provide advice.
Keep the weight going higher prsxefod.

If your chest is lagging, maybe work it twice or more a week, in different rep ranges. I'd ditch the bodypart split and use more of a movement pattern approach. Bis will come up from pulling; do more chins. Calves respond to food and overwork - train them in sets between other movements, alternate between standing and sitting and pause three seconds at the bottom of each rep; try doing them one leg at a time.

Any of this help?

Gents,
Thanks for your responses!! your all great and i am taking your suggestions to heart.... i have on hand iranian test e amps x 20 (u kno the manufacturer)... will have arimidex and clomid NLT 14April>>>>

after much consideration and due to my "job" i am downgrading my cycle, it will look like this: 250mg test e / every 5th day totaling 4000mg {roughly ten weeks}(will this help me maintain a low bf%?)
first stick (tentatively) will be April 1st...

training:
i am enjoying the split i recently changed to, but i do respect your post... so i will be adjusting starting April 6.. to look like:
sat,sun- off
mon- light cardio / light abs
tues- chest/triceps
wed- legs only / HARD abs
thur- back/bis / lite chest
fri- shoulders / neck /moderate abs
(look alright?)

also, i am going to maintain my intake at roughly 4000 calories... eating more tends to make be feel lethargic from being soo full.... should i consider a mass gainer? protein will be at 350+/day

PCT:
Nolvadex 40mg/day wks 13-14
20 mg/day wks 15-16
clomid 100mg/ day wk 13
50mg/day 14-16
arimidex onhand for during cycle gyno issues(if any)??? good idea or no???
should i continue creatine usage or hold off to use with PCT??

i know this post is a mess but im using my blackberry and its hard to type...
Well thanks again in advance!!!
anything i left out please critique~!!

prsxefod

The cardio looks good, glad you've cut down on it in order to keep the hard-gained muscles you've aquired over time. Your intake is quite a bit but in respect you ARE bulking. So good luck and find out what works best for YOU.

Originally Posted by Fezz

The cardio looks good, glad you've cut down on it in order to keep the hard-gained muscles you've aquired over time. Your intake is quite a bit but in respect you ARE bulking. So good luck and find out what works best for YOU.

fezz!
thanks bro!! again, thanks!! lol!!

Positive words of wisdom are always a plus for sum1 goin on their first cycle... well atleast for me! i do want to keep the cut and the muscle that i have gained thus far and would luv to keep atleast 10lbs at end of cycle... if i reduce intake by roughly 500-1000cals will that be sufficient..? i am considering this a "bulking cycle" but i want to minimize the bloat as much as possible without making my first cycle a complicated stack

Originally Posted by prsxefod

Gents,
Thanks for your responses!! your all great and i am taking your suggestions to heart.... i have on hand iranian test e amps x 20 (u kno the manufacturer)... will have arimidex and clomid NLT 14April>>>>

after much consideration and due to my "job" i am downgrading my cycle, it will look like this: 250mg test e / every 5th day totaling 4000mg {roughly ten weeks}(will this help me maintain a low bf%?)
first stick (tentatively) will be April 1st...

training:
i am enjoying the split i recently changed to, but i do respect your post... so i will be adjusting starting April 6.. to look like:
sat,sun- off
mon- light cardio / light abs
tues- chest/triceps
wed- legs only / HARD abs
thur- back/bis / lite chest
fri- shoulders / neck /moderate abs
(look alright?)

also, i am going to maintain my intake at roughly 4000 calories... eating more tends to make be feel lethargic from being soo full.... should i consider a mass gainer? protein will be at 350+/day

PCT:
Nolvadex 40mg/day wks 13-14
20 mg/day wks 15-16
clomid 100mg/ day wk 13
50mg/day 14-16
arimidex onhand for during cycle gyno issues(if any)??? good idea or no???
should i continue creatine usage or hold off to use with PCT??

i know this post is a mess but im using my blackberry and its hard to type...
Well thanks again in advance!!!
anything i left out please critique~!!

prsxefod

BLAH>>>>
PCT will start at exactly 14th day since last inject