Sustanon 350 and Deca 300 help

RoosterTX · 05-27-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jirayasensei

um ...susta 500 monday and friday(250 each day )then deca 150 monday and 300 friday for 7 more weeks , basicaly its a cc and half on monday then two cc on friday.today (tuesday)it felt a lil stronger at the gym is like am mutating... awww GET DOWN!!!lol and im at 190lbs with clothes but yeah like he said i could not eat more than 3k my body will kicked me in the face. so im starting to notice a difference.by the way im taking hcg and nova as pct do you guys know about a better pct ?and also ill be doing a cycle a year .from experience what do you guys recomend to take as a second cycle to get bulk and a bit defined?should i use the same gear or try a different one?one more thing after i get off the gear i know strenght and some weight goes down but how long do you guys have kept some gains for , considering continues training and a decent diet.

Why are you splitting up your deca dosage, there is no need. Also I would reccomend 125mg eod instead of 250 every four days.

Start taking the HCG now at 3-500ius, depending on bodyfat, and continue until three weeks after your last injection.

Also make sure your last deca injection is two weeks before your last sust injection.

Aodha · 05-27-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowcam

LOL!

Damn straight you can't relate.

jirayasensei · 05-27-2009, 10:41 PM

dude you told me to take 500 and 400 deca why is it a clusterfok?lol

jirayasensei · 05-27-2009, 10:46 PM

im spliting the deca dosage because oil based can be mixed and i dint know about it ...first time user here bro .so u saying i sould take deca 450 on friday plus susta 250 then susta 250 on monday , besides its only like 3 days i dont wana get calluses on my muscles of so much cont shots but thanks for the help man i will definately take deca together from now on in one day.

jirayasensei · 05-27-2009, 10:49 PM

yeah im taking hcg during the cycle 500 ui per week 3 times a week every 2 days i read hcg stays in your body for 64 hours , my balls dont look atrophied at all , they did shrank at day 3 lol.should i run sustan 500 all the way til the last week then?its 10 weeks in total man.

VictorZ06 · 05-27-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jirayasensei

dude you told me to take 500 and 400 deca why is it a clusterfok?lol

I love that word.

I don't understand the splitting of the dose. Since it's sust you are taking, you want to use it more often than 2 X a week. If you are taking 500mg as you are, you should be breaking it up into 3-4 shots a week...not 2.

If you wanted to shoot only twice a week, you should have gone with something like test enan instead. Because of props blended esters, the shorter acting ones will have stopped working before it's time for your next shot...causing your levels to fluctuate, and you want them consistent and even...thats why you have to pin sust EOD or ED. Eh, but if you are doing the 500/400 like you said, you'll be ok...you will just benefit a lot more by breaking the shots up more often. Good luck!

/V

VictorZ06 · 05-27-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jirayasensei

yeah im taking hcg during the cycle 500 ui per week 3 times a week every 2 days i read hcg stays in your body for 64 hours , my balls dont look atrophied at all , they did shrank at day 3 lol.should i run sustan 500 all the way til the last week then?its 10 weeks in total man.

See...that's the problem with sust. At the end, after the short acting tests stop working, you still have the longer acting ones still working. So you midas well stop it at the same time as the deca, since the deca will also be working long after.

/V

RoosterTX · 05-27-2009, 11:38 PM

Vic,

What would you think about taking 20mg per day of dbol for the first two weeks and the last two weeks of a sust cycle. Here's what I'm working with Sustanon 250 (5000mgs) and 600mgs of Dbol. Of course I have HCG, I also have Deca (4000mgs) but will probably hold off on the deca as it is my first cycle in four years, second cycle total. I may go with 100-200mg of deca per week.

I'm a ways away from starting, but I'd like to formulate the best plan with what I've got.

Shadowcam · 05-28-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Aodha

Damn straight you can't relate.

You are very unfortunate to have such a terrible dissorder!

VictorZ06 · 05-28-2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RoosterTX

Vic,

What would you think about taking 20mg per day of dbol for the first two weeks and the last two weeks of a sust cycle. Here's what I'm working with Sustanon 250 (5000mgs) and 600mgs of Dbol. Of course I have HCG, I also have Deca (4000mgs) but will probably hold off on the deca as it is my first cycle in four years, second cycle total. I may go with 100-200mg of deca per week.

I'm a ways away from starting, but I'd like to formulate the best plan with what I've got.

You don't really need the dbol to kickstart because sust has short acting esters like we discussed. Sure, you could add some dbol in there. Again, I think 2 weeks @20mg ed is way on the light side. If you want to run it at 20mg, fine...just try and squeeze at least 4 weeks in there. I usually run between 30-50mg for 5-6 weeks. WITH milk thistle, liv 52, etc.

100-200mg a week of deca is a bad idea, your deca dose should be a little more than half of your test dose. Deca takes the longest time to start working, and it takes the longest time to leave your system. I wouldn't run deca under 350-400mg ew, IMHO, unless it's for joint lube.

/V

RoosterTX · 05-28-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

You don't really need the dbol to kickstart because sust has short acting esters like we discussed. Sure, you could add some dbol in there. Again, I think 2 weeks @20mg ed is way on the light side. If you want to run it at 20mg, fine...just try and squeeze at least 4 weeks in there. I usually run between 30-50mg for 5-6 weeks. WITH milk thistle, liv 52, etc.

100-200mg a week of deca is a bad idea, your deca dose should be a little more than half of your test dose. Deca takes the longest time to start working, and it takes the longest time to leave your system. I wouldn't run deca under 350-400mg ew, IMHO, unless it's for joint lube.

/V

The deca, if I run it, would be for nagging injuries and lubrication. Any thoughts on tapering at the end with D-bol?

VictorZ06 · 05-28-2009, 05:50 PM

Tapering at the end will only make recovery more difficult, if you use it, use it up front.

jirayasensei · 05-28-2009, 11:01 PM

ok victor . so ill do like you told me man eod with sustan but how should i break it down by geting 125mg eod?(500 a week)that will be half a cc eod and then deca 450 mg on fridays .Im a good so far ?so in you opinion what is the best test to bulk up and what drugs should i use as pct besides hcg and nolva?and how should i use the nolva cus i heard 4 weeks 20mg everyday two weeks after my last test shot.

VictorZ06 · 05-29-2009, 05:08 AM

^What do you mean 450mg of deca on Fridays?? The best bulking test is enan in my opinion. And use the HCG during your cycle, not post. Nolva is OK, 4 weeks at 20mg is ok. You can also do 40/20/20/20. And yes, start taking it 2 weeks after your last shot of deca.

/V

Shadowcam · 05-29-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

^What do you mean 450mg of deca on Fridays?? The best bulking test is enan in my opinion. And use the HCG during your cycle, not post. Nolva is OK, 4 weeks at 20mg is ok. You can also do 40/20/20/20. And yes, start taking it 2 weeks after your last shot of deca.

/V

Victor meant Test!

jirayasensei · 05-29-2009, 08:42 AM

yea man remember im taking 500mg of susta + deca 450 once a week then the susta eod at 125mg to total 500 e/w.etha test huh , how much shoul i take it /ill prob do it for my second cycle , should i put another one with it for better results, and yes im taking hcg on cycle 500ui a week.

VictorZ06 · 05-29-2009, 11:06 AM

I'm not sure what you are asking here, are you asking how to break up the deca? If so, you can take a little every time you take your sust, or take two shots a week at 225mg each. Deca 2X a week is ok. Mix it on Mon and Wed sust shots.

/V

Aodha · 05-29-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowcam

LOL!

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Originally Posted by Shadowcam

You are very unfortunate to have such a terrible dissorder!

At least I'm not Australian! Grow up, get back to the forum.

jirayasensei · 05-30-2009, 12:31 AM

nice .today i finaly started to see muscle growth ...its freaky man , i gained 12 lbs so far so i guess my gear is legit.about the other thing i told you since you seem to know alot about this victor what gear should i use for my second cycle and how much time off you usualy take after a cycle man i was thinking on taking one every 9 months, does the gains from the juice diminish with time.?i know at first i will lose so,e weight but i should hopefuly keep 15 lbs .

Shadowcam · 05-30-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aodha

At least I'm not Australian! Grow up, get back to the forum.

Im not Australian either so that was a pointless comment!
No need for me to grow up, Ive done plenty of growing son!
You on the other hand NOT SO MUCH due to your disability.

VictorZ06 · 05-30-2009, 07:11 AM

I wouldn't worry about the second cycle as of yet, lets see your final results from THIS cycle, and later on we can suit you for a second one. Who knows, you may decide you need to continue to bulk instead of cut.

Rule of thumb with time is, "time on = time off". So if you ran a 12 week cycle, you want to wait at least 12 weeks. Some guys include PCT time as well, so in that case you would wait 16 weeks. 12-16 weeks depends on how well and how fast your body recovers.

/V

jirayasensei · 05-30-2009, 08:52 PM

cool , ur right my goal is to reach 210-220 muscle weight im 5-10 with long extremities.lets see

VictorZ06 · 06-01-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by silambu

A friend of mine was telling me to take Deca on like mondays, and Sus on Wednesdays...

Your friend is a fool....Sus has to be taken EOD/ED....not just once a week!!

jirayasensei · 06-05-2009, 10:56 AM

yo is arimedex good to take during a cycle as a prevention for gyno. and if so will it limit your muscle gains , cus i read nolva can not be taken with deca otherwise it will exacerbate the estrogen problems.

VictorZ06 · 06-05-2009, 01:44 PM

Adex is good stuff, and you can use nolva with deca.

/V

jirayasensei · 07-10-2009, 01:16 PM

what do you guys know about trembolon . i heard is better than test, stronger too so prob more side effects?

VictorZ06 · 07-10-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jirayasensei

what do you guys know about trembolon . i heard is better than test, stronger too so prob more side effects?

I believe you are talking about tren.

It's a different substance all together. Not to be use by beginners because of it's nasty side effects.

/V

jirayasensei · 07-13-2009, 09:23 AM

so when can it be taken

VictorZ06 · 07-13-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jirayasensei

so when can it be taken

Well, some bulk and cut with tren. I find it much more useful when cutting. I don't like running it for more than 8 weeks at a time (usually less), so I start using it a few weeks into my cycle. And like I said, because of how strong this substance is, I wouldn't advise a novice user to take tren. Perhaps after ones 3rd, 4th, or 5th cycle. IMHO.

/V

jirayasensei · 07-17-2009, 10:31 AM

cool, so do you recomend taking it alone or can it be taking with deca or anavar ?by the way im in my last week of the cycle im at 201lbs , i started with 180lbs and its funy and phycological i guess cus people tell me yo ...wtf are you taking and i realy see myself the same dude .lol thanks for the info bro, apreciate your advice.

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05-27-2009, 10:41 PM	#33
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	dude you told me to take 500 and 400 deca why is it a clusterfok?lol

05-27-2009, 10:46 PM	#34
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	im spliting the deca dosage because oil based can be mixed and i dint know about it ...first time user here bro .so u saying i sould take deca 450 on friday plus susta 250 then susta 250 on monday , besides its only like 3 days i dont wana get calluses on my muscles of so much cont shots but thanks for the help man i will definately take deca together from now on in one day.

05-27-2009, 10:49 PM	#35
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	yeah im taking hcg during the cycle 500 ui per week 3 times a week every 2 days i read hcg stays in your body for 64 hours , my balls dont look atrophied at all , they did shrank at day 3 lol.should i run sustan 500 all the way til the last week then?its 10 weeks in total man.

05-27-2009, 11:38 PM	#38
RoosterTX Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 233	Vic, What would you think about taking 20mg per day of dbol for the first two weeks and the last two weeks of a sust cycle. Here's what I'm working with Sustanon 250 (5000mgs) and 600mgs of Dbol. Of course I have HCG, I also have Deca (4000mgs) but will probably hold off on the deca as it is my first cycle in four years, second cycle total. I may go with 100-200mg of deca per week. I'm a ways away from starting, but I'd like to formulate the best plan with what I've got.

05-28-2009, 05:50 PM	#42
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Tapering at the end will only make recovery more difficult, if you use it, use it up front.

05-28-2009, 11:01 PM	#43
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	ok victor . so ill do like you told me man eod with sustan but how should i break it down by geting 125mg eod?(500 a week)that will be half a cc eod and then deca 450 mg on fridays .Im a good so far ?so in you opinion what is the best test to bulk up and what drugs should i use as pct besides hcg and nolva?and how should i use the nolva cus i heard 4 weeks 20mg everyday two weeks after my last test shot.

05-29-2009, 05:08 AM	#44
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	^What do you mean 450mg of deca on Fridays?? The best bulking test is enan in my opinion. And use the HCG during your cycle, not post. Nolva is OK, 4 weeks at 20mg is ok. You can also do 40/20/20/20. And yes, start taking it 2 weeks after your last shot of deca. /V

05-29-2009, 08:42 AM	#46
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	yea man remember im taking 500mg of susta + deca 450 once a week then the susta eod at 125mg to total 500 e/w.etha test huh , how much shoul i take it /ill prob do it for my second cycle , should i put another one with it for better results, and yes im taking hcg on cycle 500ui a week.

05-29-2009, 11:06 AM	#47
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	I'm not sure what you are asking here, are you asking how to break up the deca? If so, you can take a little every time you take your sust, or take two shots a week at 225mg each. Deca 2X a week is ok. Mix it on Mon and Wed sust shots. /V

05-30-2009, 12:31 AM	#49
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	nice .today i finaly started to see muscle growth ...its freaky man , i gained 12 lbs so far so i guess my gear is legit.about the other thing i told you since you seem to know alot about this victor what gear should i use for my second cycle and how much time off you usualy take after a cycle man i was thinking on taking one every 9 months, does the gains from the juice diminish with time.?i know at first i will lose so,e weight but i should hopefuly keep 15 lbs .

05-30-2009, 07:11 AM	#51
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	I wouldn't worry about the second cycle as of yet, lets see your final results from THIS cycle, and later on we can suit you for a second one. Who knows, you may decide you need to continue to bulk instead of cut. Rule of thumb with time is, "time on = time off". So if you ran a 12 week cycle, you want to wait at least 12 weeks. Some guys include PCT time as well, so in that case you would wait 16 weeks. 12-16 weeks depends on how well and how fast your body recovers. /V

05-30-2009, 08:52 PM	#52
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	cool , ur right my goal is to reach 210-220 muscle weight im 5-10 with long extremities.lets see

06-05-2009, 10:56 AM	#54
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	yo is arimedex good to take during a cycle as a prevention for gyno. and if so will it limit your muscle gains , cus i read nolva can not be taken with deca otherwise it will exacerbate the estrogen problems.

06-05-2009, 01:44 PM	#55
VictorZ06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manhattan Posts: 477	Adex is good stuff, and you can use nolva with deca. /V

07-10-2009, 01:16 PM	#56
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	what do you guys know about trembolon . i heard is better than test, stronger too so prob more side effects?

07-13-2009, 09:23 AM	#58
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	so when can it be taken

07-17-2009, 10:31 AM	#60
jirayasensei Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: SC Posts: 17	cool, so do you recomend taking it alone or can it be taking with deca or anavar ?by the way im in my last week of the cycle im at 201lbs , i started with 180lbs and its funy and phycological i guess cus people tell me yo ...wtf are you taking and i realy see myself the same dude .lol thanks for the info bro, apreciate your advice.