Anabolic Steroids Have Few Long-Term Side Effects In Bodybuilders

**Prince** · 03-15-2009, 11:37 PM

Anabolic Steroids Have Few Long-Term Side Effects In Bodybuilders
by Dan Gwartney, MD

Every bodybuilder, powerlifter, athlete and gym rat who has ever taken anabolic steroids (AAS) worries at one point or another about the risks involved. Even though there are not designated parking spots at gyms for ambulances to make it easier for EMTs to push oversized gurneys to the squat racks, every public statement made by politicians, health agencies and celebrity athletes emphasizes the potential damage to a person’s health in addition to tagging AAS users as cheaters.

Certainly, AAS use carries risks, as does the use of any drug. Unfortunately, the true scope and degree of that risk is unknown, as AAS research has been stunted due to biases in funding and ethical concerns from traditionally ultra-conservative Institutional Review Boards (IRBs). Clinical research involving humans and animals is approved by an IRB prior to recruiting volunteers to ensure that the subjects will not be exposed to significant or unnecessary risks. At this time, the risk profile for testosterone use appears to be dose-related, with doses that result in plasma (blood) concentrations well outside the normal range (both above and below), leading to side effects that range from temporary and trivial to serious and permanent…potentially fatal in rare cases. Not only do the risks depend upon the concentration achieved; age, gender (sex), AAS used and underlying health conditions (sometimes undiagnosed) in the user need to be considered as well. Extremely young (adolescents or children) and elderly people may not be able to tolerate the sudden or extreme swing in androgen concentrations; women are much more sensitive to changes in androgen levels and may develop features that would go unnoticed or be of little consequence in men; while testosterone is generally well-tolerated, other AAS may affect certain tissues or behaviors negatively; and lastly, the existence of psychiatric or health conditions that may be stimulated or accelerated by fluctuations in androgens are relevant concerns (certain cancers, mania, depression, etc).

Nonetheless, demand for AAS remains high, particularly among adults who wish to improve their appearance, quality of life or health. Why is there such a disparity? Why do adults who are seeking to be healthier and more vital choose to use hormones that are supposed to be so dangerous? Frankly, most users do not perceive AAS to be dangerous and readily accept the side effects they realize in exchange for the tangible benefits of increased muscle mass and strength, not to mention the positive response of peers.1
However, is it perception or reality that is influencing AAS users? After all, the medical literature is replete with cases of liver damage, heart attacks, behavior problems and premature deaths.2-5 Conversely, other papers have noted that in consideration of the assumed prevalence of AAS in the United States, the number of cases of serious adverse events is relatively low, especially when one considers that the majority of users are self-educated or even untrained in AAS use, that the drugs are often of undocumented purity and potency and may be adulterated with other substances and are also commonly distributed through dubious channels.6
Clinical studies of adult men, both young and elderly, administering doses in the range commonly reported by AAS users (300mg-600mg/week testosterone enanthate) did not result in significant adverse effects during six months of AAS use.7,8 Yet, while the controlled conditions of those studies resemble AAS use “in the wild,” they do not account for many issues related to AAS use that may affect health, such as the use of adjunct drugs to increase AAS potency or prevent/treat side effects.

Though there have been reports detailing the experiences of AAS users, ranging from data collected during the long, state-sponsored doping program for athletes in the German Democratic Republic to the unreleased data collected by Victor Conte during the “BALCO” doping scandal, long-term studies of unsupervised, nonmedical AAS users are rarely published.9
The International Journal of Sports Medicine has released a paper ahead of print, written by clinical researchers from two universities in Italy that followed 20 bodybuilders for two years who had not used AAS prior to the study.10 During this time, the subjects administered drugs they obtained, in the manner they chose, without guidance from the researchers other than an introductory primer on the known or potential risks associated with AAS use. The subjects were examined quite thoroughly prior to the onset of the study, then every six months for two years. In addition to answering questions about AAS use, the subjects also provided their diet and supplement history, training routine and background, were physically measured (including testicular volume) and blood work was drawn to assess the effect on the liver, lipids/cholesterol and other factors involved in cardiovascular health, heart function by echocardiography, endocrine hormones, glucose and insulin sensitivity, immune function, as well as prostate exams and semen analyses. This study incorporated as complete a workup as one can get without being abducted and probed by space aliens.

Seven subjects withdrew from the study due to emotional challenges or sexual dysfunction, leaving 13 who completed the two-year term. As would be expected, the subjects gained lean mass and lost fat mass, along with suppression of the pituitary hormones LH and FSH, resulting in smaller testicles (2 percent to 40 percent smaller); two of the subjects experienced azoospermia (no sperm) while two others had very low sperm counts.7,8,11 Most other hormones were unaffected by AAS use (including testosterone and estradiol, surprisingly), the exception being thyroid hormone. Both free T3 (the active form of thyroid hormone) and TSH (the regulatory hormone that controls thyroid hormone production) were lower, though remained in the normal range…yet the subjects still experienced apparent fat loss. Gynecomastia (bitch tits) occurred in five of the subjects.

While total cholesterol and LDL (bad) cholesterol were unchanged, HDL (good) cholesterol was reduced though the effect is known to be transient (returning to normal after AAS are discontinued) from earlier studies.12,13 Interestingly, triglycerides (fats in the blood), which were already low in these subjects, decreased even further. Some clinicians believe triglycerides are more important in regard to cardiovascular risk than cholesterol.14 Another factor associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease (lipoprotein a) trended downward, though the change did not reach statistical significance.

Additional metabolic findings reported were reductions in blood glucose (sugar) and insulin. This is a very powerful finding, as high blood sugar and insulin resistance increase the risk of developing the Metabolic Syndrome and pre-diabetes, as well as chance of future heart attack or stroke.15 Improved insulin sensitivity may also explain some of the fat loss realized by the subjects. The authors noted that this effect may be directly related to the increase in muscle mass, allowing for more effective and healthier sugar control. While the on-cycle reduction in HDL does cause some concern, the other changes appear to balance out the metabolic effects to a neutral or even positive physical state.

The liver enzyme studies did show elevations in two of the hormones measured, but these changes are known to occur with intense exercise; a third enzyme actually decreased, suggesting much of the change seen reflected muscle strain/damage as opposed to liver.10,16 Two of the subjects (both using oral AAS) did experience a doubling of AST and LDH, which would prompt further examination in a doctor’s office. Ultrasound imaging showed no changes in liver structure, though several of the subjects entered the study with fatty liver, possibly due to the high protein content of the diet, according to the study authors.

Since AAS are known to increase the production of red blood cells, clinicians monitor the hematocrit to make sure the blood is not becoming “too thick.” This effect has been seen in studies involving elderly men on testosterone replacement therapy, but none of the subjects in this series experienced a dangerous elevation in red blood cell mass.17 Also, immune function measures were not affected in a clinically significant fashion.

All told, the AAS users appeared to avoid any untoward effects of significance, with the exception of gynecomastia. The authors stated in the paper that there were no changes in the structure or function of either the heart or the liver outside of those expected in a group of power-trained athletes.10 In fact, the greatest concern raised by the authors was the possibility of a drug interaction due to the numerous drugs and supplements consumed. The final paragraph of the study is quite enlightening: “The picture emerging is one of a knowledgeable population of ‘users’ integrated into a subculture of clandestine use of drugs, able to manipulate substances in order to maximize the ‘advantages’ and minimize the disadvantages.”10

One might walk away from this study with a warm, fuzzy feeling that AAS use is not so dangerous after all and that even first-time users can achieve gains in muscle mass and definition relatively safely. Really, despite the lack of any apparent adverse side effects, one need realize there are many limitations to this report. First off, the number of subjects is very small. Secondly, seven of the 20 dropped out, primarily due to emotional or sexual problems. Third, five experienced gynecomastia and four became infertile, at least temporarily. Fourth, the subjects were not examined uniformly on-cycle or off-cycle, so it is likely that each time point represents a random mix. I think this is one of the biggest flaws of the study, as each data point has no relation to standard conditions. Fifth, the drugs vary all across the scale of AAS, including prohormones. Doses, number of cycles, duration of cycle, pattern (such as pyramiding), use of adjunct drugs (GH, thyroid hormone, clenbuterol, hCG, Clomid, etc.) are all different. Sixth, the drugs were sourced through the black market and the contents were not analyzed to determine potency and purity.

Truly, the most amazing result of this study is that any significant findings were evident; those that were reported were generally of little clinical significance. Further, from this study, it appears that the negative effects were balanced by other metabolic adaptations such that one could argue that the AAS use promoted greater health. In the end, this study, despite its extensive examinations and long-term data collection, provides little real knowledge about the health risks/benefits of AAS use. Hopefully, the authors will repeat the study looking at changes relative to periods of use and non-use under more uniform conditions. As it stands, we have no idea what impact aromatase inhibitors, GH and insulin have on a person during and after prolonged periods of AAS use. To end on a more positive note, this study certainly did not Reveal any significant negative effects among these AAS-using bodybuilders over a two-year period of use.

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Muscular Development Online Magazine - Anabolic Steroids Have Few Long-Term Side Effects In Bodybuilders

**jwalk127** · 03-16-2009, 05:30 AM

I wrote a paper a couple months ago for my exercise pharmacology class about the exaggerated side effects of steroid use, this would have been a good resource, I bet all the senators in Washington and all those MD's who believe all the hype probably punch a hole in the computer screen when they read this

**Pirate!** · 03-16-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by jwalk127

I bet all the senators in Washington and all those MD's who believe all the hype probably punch a hole in the computer screen when they read this

They won't read it, because the truth is irrevalent to most of them. It's all about money.

**jwalk127** · 03-16-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Pirate!

They won't read it, because the truth is irrevalent to most of them. It's all about money.

sad but true

**Digitalash** · 04-20-2012, 06:33 AM

Unfortunately the average person is not all that intelligent and knows very little about each political candidate except for a few "hotbutton" issues that are important to them. It's virtually impossible to make any changes that go against popular opinion, regardless of the facts. The average American picks their political candidate of choice based on a couple of phrases that get repeated over and over on the morning news or in inflammatory ads made by their competitors. Few even get that far, and I'd hazard to guess almost zero actually do any research of their own. All it would take is one ad of a highschool kid getting "roid rage" and shooting up his school, followed by something like "Vote for X candidate, or else steroids will kill everyone you love" and they'd be dead in the water. It would be political suicide, even more so than supporting the legalization of recreational drugs. At least in that regard there are a fair number of users among the population and medical research done on their effects. There's not a whole lot of concrete data on AAS use and I'd assume the number of users is lower than that of marijuana, cocaine, even lsd etc. Add in some blatantly wrong myths like dick shrinkage and you can see the number of people who would support legalization of AAS is probably very very low. Not only would they have few supporters, but that alone would be enough to turn most people off to an otherwise perfect candidate. There's no benefit to them to try and change things and plenty of incentive not to try. Getting a couple gymrats out of jail may be benevolent but it doesn't win votes.

**bjg** · 04-20-2012, 08:59 AM

not sure how you read but the aticle said clearly that long term studies were not conducted to avoid unnecessary risks. some risks of long term steroids use are very well known today, among these risks are cardiac problems and risks of heart failure and heart attacks and so on.......as i said in another thread that when i asked my friend an orthopedic surgeon ( and a very good one and a sports specialist) and i told him about some articles claiming that AAS will not harm you etc... he replied(joking with me of course): fuck you i studied 15 years of medicine and wrote 100 articles.. i don't need some stupid article you found on your stupid internet to teach me medicine!
and again if you read even this article you will see that the risks are really high.....some even dropped out of the study etc...and it is not even a long term study yet.
so stop imagining things that suits you and find an excuse to use AAS. This subject has been very well studied in medicine and the results and effects are very well known and long term studies are avoided not only because of the known well established risks and effects but mainly because of the UNKNOWN risks (as this article clearly say) that could be even more bad news than the known effects.
And if you want real scientific studies that are not politicized ..you will not find them on the net or in some magazine ..you will find them in very specialized scientific journals..what you read in common magazines are mainly politicized...i have myself many articles in very specialized journals like IEEE computers in cardiology that you will not find on the internet.
You want to do AAS then good for you just don't look for an excuse or read the lines that suit you in an article.

**bjg** · 04-20-2012, 09:22 AM

besides many studies are done on healthy subjects for 6 months taking one type of steroids.....studies are not done on cycling on and off for years while cruising in between and stacking ...are they!!!!!!
if you cycle on off from 20 years of age and cruise etc..regularly ....chances are you wont survive your 50th or 60th birthday. as for many effects on arteries and cardiovascular system among other organs ..do not go away as you are off cycle as if nothing happened ....some side effects accumulate and will reach a lethal stage...

**tbird2** · 04-20-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by bjg

not sure how you read but the aticle said clearly that long term studies were not conducted to avoid unnecessary risks. some risks of long term steroids use are very well known today, among these risks are cardiac problems and risks of heart failure and heart attacks and so on.......as i said in another thread that when i asked my friend an orthopedic surgeon ( and a very good one and a sports specialist) and i told him about some articles claiming that AAS will not harm you etc... he replied(joking with me of course): fuck you i studied 15 years of medicine and wrote 100 articles.. i don't need some stupid article you found on your stupid internet to teach me medicine!
and again if you read even this article you will see that the risks are really high.....some even dropped out of the study etc...and it is not even a long term study yet.
so stop imagining things that suits you and find an excuse to use AAS. This subject has been very well studied in medicine and the results and effects are very well known and long term studies are avoided not only because of the known well established risks and effects but mainly because of the UNKNOWN risks (as this article clearly say) that could be even more bad news than the known effects.
And if you want real scientific studies that are not politicized ..you will not find them on the net or in some magazine ..you will find them in very specialized scientific journals..what you read in common magazines are mainly politicized...i have myself many articles in very specialized journals like IEEE computers in cardiology that you will not find on the internet.
You want to do AAS then good for you just don't look for an excuse or read the lines that suit you in an article.

I find the bold part hard to believe considering the way you write here. That said i agree this article is essentially useless.

**fsoe** · 04-20-2012, 09:54 AM

I used for years and then quit and started back 3 years ago ... with a blast and cruise approach --- My Dr. checks me every 6 months ...

In the last 3 years -- I have

gotten my sex drive back - can have sex with my wife screw her brains out , give her 4,5 even 6 O's then I can nut all in her, on her -- when I want to --- before she could get on top of me and in 30 seconds I was jizzing everywhere ...
put on a nice amount of lean muscle - look the best I have looked since I was in my early 20's - 35 now
cut my BF by prob 10-12%
lowered my cholesterol 52 points
feel and sleep better - physical
emotionally I am more stable - except when on high doses of tren
liver- kidney look great Dr. said - he tole me one time that my body processes AAS very good and I do it the right way -
I just feel sooooooooooo much better !!!

I am never coming off --- as a matter of fact my Dr. has been on test and HGH for 17 years ---

cyp at 250mg every 10 days
HGH at 2iu a day
He said he will never stop and that the government does all they can to hide the benefits of test and hgh from the public(males) --- they want Americans sick and fragile when they get old --- why ? --- 77% of elderly 65 and over are on an average of 5.4 prescription drugs a day

**bjg** · 04-20-2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by tbird2

I find the bold part hard to believe considering the way you write here. That said i agree this article is essentially useless.

when i write here on the forum ..i do it quickly i don't even read back what i wrote......i can send you some articles of my own but i surely know you wont find them interesting ,,
and thanks for agreeing with me on that article...

**heckler7** · 04-20-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by bjg

not sure how you read.

I stopped reading anything you post a long time ago

**DetMuscle** · 04-20-2012, 03:39 PM

Ive dosed high the last 3 years. Im in my 50s and been doing it all my life. All my bloods are good and the Doc cant belive the shape Im in for my age. srsly. Steroids bad? Ya if your an idiot. I need my TRT and still like my cycles. There is no other option for me. I hang with others my age, and we are still badasses

That live in the burbs now and looking at retirement. Spend more time on thegolf courses then at the clubs. Look at the people who say steroids are bad sometime. Their faces look like catchers mits, there bodies are like old potatoes under the sink and their wives are fuckin the swimming pool cleaner. I could never keep up with my wife of 21 years younger or my 10 year old and 16 and 17 year old kids. Fuck the nasayers

**DetMuscle** · 04-20-2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by fsoe

I used for years and then quit and started back 3 years ago ... with a blast and cruise approach --- My Dr. checks me every 6 months ...

In the last 3 years -- I have

gotten my sex drive back - can have sex with my wife screw her brains out , give her 4,5 even 6 O's then I can nut all in her, on her -- when I want to --- before she could get on top of me and in 30 seconds I was jizzing everywhere ...
put on a nice amount of lean muscle - look the best I have looked since I was in my early 20's - 35 now
cut my BF by prob 10-12%
lowered my cholesterol 52 points
feel and sleep better - physical
emotionally I am more stable - except when on high doses of tren
liver- kidney look great Dr. said - he tole me one time that my body processes AAS very good and I do it the right way -
I just feel sooooooooooo much better !!!

I am never coming off --- as a matter of fact my Dr. has been on test and HGH for 17 years ---

cyp at 250mg every 10 days
HGH at 2iu a day
He said he will never stop and that the government does all they can to hide the benefits of test and hgh from the public(males) --- they want Americans sick and fragile when they get old --- why ? --- 77% of elderly 65 and over are on an average of 5.4 prescription drugs a day

Great post

**bjg** · 04-20-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by DetMuscle

Ive dosed high the last 3 years. Im in my 50s and been doing it all my life. All my bloods are good and the Doc cant belive the shape Im in for my age. srsly. Steroids bad? Ya if your an idiot. I need my TRT and still like my cycles. There is no other option for me. I hang with others my age, and we are still badasses

That live in the burbs now and looking at retirement. Spend more time on thegolf courses then at the clubs. Look at the people who say steroids are bad sometime. Their faces look like catchers mits, there bodies are like old potatoes under the sink and their wives are fuckin the swimming pool cleaner. I could never keep up with my wife of 21 years younger or my 10 year old and 16 and 17 year old kids. Fuck the nasayers

hey man i am over 50 and never touched steroids,........i am the baddest ass dude in the gym ..even 25 years old with all the steroids they take cannot compare to me in: strength, looks stamina and whatever you want...although i never train to improve my maximum lift , i am the strongest M..fu..er in my gym for my weight class and even for heavier weight class including all ages and all the roid addicts you want .right now i can throw you over 80 push ups followed by 20+ complete pull ups ....
i am not bragging but to tell you I am Not sure if what you are saying means anything...what you are is not because of steroids ..perhaps you have good genetics...and probably if you had trained without steroids you could have been and looked better...but the real measure of how you look and how you are comes as you stop steroids

**DetMuscle** · 04-20-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by bjg

hey man i am over 50 and never touched steroids,........i am the baddest ass dude in the gym ..even 25 years old with all the steroids they take cannot compare to me in: strength, looks stamina and whatever you want...although i never train to improve my maximum lift , i am the strongest M..fu..er in my gym for my weight class and even for heavier weight class including all ages and all the roid addicts you want .right now i can throw you over 80 push ups followed by 20+ complete pull ups ....
i am not bragging but to tell you I am Not sure if what you are saying means anything...what you are is not because of steroids ..perhaps you have good genetics...and probably if you had trained without steroids you could have been and looked better...but the real measure of how you look and how you are comes as you stop steroids

If I stop, its bad news. ur the one with the good genetics. You cant turn a poodle into a pitbull no matter what youput in it. I dont have that "big" gene so Ive always needed help. Your blessed brother. Im not Im 5'9' now
at 220. I like

**DetMuscle** · 04-20-2012, 04:25 PM

Mistake 0 My wife is 16 years younger not 21 WT?

**bjg** · 04-20-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by DetMuscle

If I stop, its bad news. ur the one with the good genetics. You cant turn a poodle into a pitbull no matter what youput in it. I dont have that "big" gene so Ive always needed help. Your blessed brother. Im not Im 5'9' now
at 220. I like

hey man i was not trying to be an ass ...it is true i do have good genes ... but what i liked in your reply was that you admitted that if you stop steroids it is bad news ..while some teens and young guys on this forum jump all over me when i mention that you lose your gains if you rely on steroids.
At least you were honest about it.

**DetMuscle** · 04-20-2012, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by bjg

hey man i was not trying to be an ass ...it is true i do have good genes ... but what i liked in your reply was that you admitted that if you stop steroids it is bad news ..while some teens and young guys on this forum jump all over me when i mention that you lose your gains if you rely on steroids.
At least you were honest about it.

No worries. I got it

**Vibrant** · 04-20-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by bjg

hey man i am over 50 and never touched steroids,........i am the baddest ass dude in the gym ..even 25 years old with all the steroids they take cannot compare to me in: strength, looks stamina and whatever you want...although i never train to improve my maximum lift , i am the strongest M..fu..er in my gym for my weight class and even for heavier weight class including all ages and all the roid addicts you want been

Bullshit^^^

If you are so against aas, stop trolling in the anabolic section.

**teezhay** · 04-20-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Bullshit^^^

If you are so against aas, stop trolling in the anabolic section.

Glad someone said it. Evidently, the guy is gifted with every positive characteristic conceivable, other than the capacity to articulate a coherent thought.

**Glycomann** · 04-20-2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by DetMuscle

Ive dosed high the last 3 years. Im in my 50s and been doing it all my life. All my bloods are good and the Doc cant belive the shape Im in for my age. srsly. Steroids bad? Ya if your an idiot. I need my TRT and still like my cycles. There is no other option for me. I hang with others my age, and we are still badasses

That live in the burbs now and looking at retirement. Spend more time on thegolf courses then at the clubs. Look at the people who say steroids are bad sometime. Their faces look like catchers mits, there bodies are like old potatoes under the sink and their wives are fuckin the swimming pool cleaner. I could never keep up with my wife of 21 years younger or my 10 year old and 16 and 17 year old kids. Fuck the nasayers

LOL right on brother. I'm 50 and right along side of you.

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