Thread: 2 Specific HGH questions

This is your very first post and you're asking some very specific information, only we don't know you. We don't know how you eat or how you train.

I might add you're a little juicy to be running a cycle. You're also planning to use not one, but four different anabolics AND growth hormone, never having run ANY of them and without knowing how they will affect you.

What are your goals for this cycle, and how will you be dieting and training?

Built, thankyou for your reply sir. Well, I will be hiring a personal trainer for atleast the duration of the cycle. As far as my diet, I plan to eat 5 small meals a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner and 2 Isopures. I will make sure to get atleast 40g of protein for a total of 200+ grams of protein daily.

I only plan on doing 2 cycles..this cycle, and then a cutting cycle with test and tren.

As far as my training, well I will give it a month or so before I cycle. just getting everything prepared

btw, is there a certain amount of calories I need If I am cycling or is it just to make sure I get enough protein?

Your calories are determined by your goals.

If you wish to gain weight, you must eat more calories than you require.

If you wish to lose weight, you must eat fewer calories than you require.

One meal or five doesn't matter at all. That part is all about the calories.

Please read the link in my sig on getting started and report back how you currently set up your diet.

While you're at it, ask your trainer how he or she intends to periodize your training.

Hi,

I just wanted to tell you that Built's a SHE....

Welcome to the forum.

Dude that's just too many anabolics..... but built knows better.

Listen to her she's one of the best.


Good Luck

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Built, thankyou for your reply sir. Well, I will be hiring a personal trainer for atleast the duration of the cycle. As far as my diet, I plan to eat 5 small meals a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner and 2 Isopures. I will make sure to get atleast 40g of protein for a total of 200+ grams of protein daily.

I only plan on doing 2 cycles..this cycle, and then a cutting cycle with test and tren.

As far as my training, well I will give it a month or so before I cycle. just getting everything prepared

Built thankyou so much, maam. In terms of my goals, what do you suggest? I definitely need to lose more fat. It would kill me to lose more fat. Right now at 163, If I lose say 16 more lbs than I would be around 10-12% bodyfat. If I lost just fat I would be down to around 147-150. Thats all well and good but then I would be too scronny. I know you talk about either one or the other.... but If I made sure to get my 150-200g of proten, I could gain muscle at the same time?

also...

Once I have cut down to about 10-12% bf at around 150, yes I would like to start a cycle, eat more and gain "weight" but how to I make sure all the weight I can is muscle and not fat? Maybe even lose some more body fat in the process? If I cant lose more bodyfat in the process, and say I actually gain a few % back up to around 15%...when I cut up again and lose fat, how do I make sure I don't lose the muscle I have gained from the cycle?

Built, "Do it Yourself Diet".. great read. I gained alot of knowledge. Interesting...about the maintence calories.. 13-15X your bodyweight. Is that assuming no exercise is being performed that day. Another words say a 200 lb man 15 X 200 = 3000 ..so if he ate 3000 calories, he would stay the same that day? The next day he eats 3000 calories but jogs a few miles and burns 500 calories? So does that mean he was minus 500 calorie deficient? So then he sticks to that routine and will lose a lb after 6 days?

The other thing is..so you dont put any merit into small frequent meals, the old addage that your metabolism is like a fire.. to keep it burning you need to keep throwing logs on the fire sort of deal? What about water? 3000 including unrefined carbs vs 3000 calories including refined carbs?

To quote the formula from your article.....


Set protein at no lower than a gram per pound of lean mass.
Set fat at no lower than half a gram per pound of lean mass.
Set fibre at or around 25g - this has to come from food, not fibre supplements!
Fill the remainder of your calories by comfort.

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Built, but for the next few weeks or so..1 month..whatever...I am trying to lose fat...so I will fill in the remainer of calories with very few carbs..but why then would I make sure to get ATLEAST a half gram of fat per lb of lean mass? If I am trying to lose fat, wouldn't it be better If I cut my fat to like under 30g daily?... Basically..when trying to lose fat..why should I be putting a minimum on anything? (the minimum protein and fat) Is it to keep from losing muscle??? Is that the whole reason behind the formula?

Gain sorry to bombard you with all these posts and questions..its just that I am very eager and excited to get started...

You mentioned the hardgainer needing 500 more than his maintence to gain "weight" ...by weight I assume your referring to muscle? When you talk about "weight", surely even a very lean fella, you dont want him to put on 500 calories weight of fat?

Could you please clarify the diet based on days of weight training vs idle days?

If above I understood you correctly, than if the hardgainer is training, the 500 calories over his maintence..that would convert to muscle? Doesnt that depend on how well he trains? What if he had 1000 calories over his maintence? Does that mean he could gain 1000 calories worth of muscle? Or is that too much extra calories and the other 500 might go to fat? Sorry for all these posts..I figured it would be better to break them up into segments rather than post one ginormous post..thanks so much in advance for all your feedback and advice....

(BTW unfortunately I am a hardgainer when it comes to putting on muscle, but have alot of bodyfat too. I'm not one of these hardgainers that can't gain weight! I can gain weight all right! About 4-5 months ago I was almost 190... So I am Juicy now at 163 at around 20% bf-- I was 190 and about 35% of it was bodyfat,)

Last one then I will shut up...promise..

What about genetics...you mention "hardgainer" (someone who eats alot but doesnt gain weight I assume) but if you say all they have to do is eat more calories than their maintence than they'll gain weight, than that would suggest than the reason they are thin is because they are dont eat over their maintance, than they would be a "hard gainer' just somone who doesnt eat enough.. another words if the Smith brothers eat the same food and Johnny is fat and Timmy is skinny..which ofcourse is the case in many scenarios..where does genetics and metabolism come into play? The fact that one is skinny and one is fat, have nothing to do with the diets often times..... sorry, I dont want to come off as contrary to what you are saying, just trying to understand it a bit more.. Thanks so much

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Built thankyou so much, maam. In terms of my goals, what do you suggest? I definitely need to lose more fat. It would kill me to lose more fat. Right now at 163, If I lose say 16 more lbs than I would be around 10-12% bodyfat. If I lost just fat I would be down to around 147-150. Thats all well and good but then I would be too scronny. I know you talk about either one or the other.... but If I made sure to get my 150-200g of proten, I could gain muscle at the same time?

If you run AAS while you're juicy, you'll aromatize to much of your test and you'll have to run SERM/AI to protect you from gyno.

Regardless of how much protein you consume, you really can't count on gaining muscle and losing fat to any appreciable degree concurrently.

If you could, you'd see a lot of happy, lean, jacked freaks walking around and ALL of the really strong people would be ripped to shreds.

Go to a mall or a gym sometime and just look around to test this conjecture.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

also...

Once I have cut down to about 10-12% bf at around 150, yes I would like to start a cycle, eat more and gain "weight" but how to I make sure all the weight I can is muscle and not fat?

You can't. But you can minimize your fat gains and maximize your muscle gains with some strategy: monitor your calories and your weight daily, take pictures, look in the mirror... if you train properly and eat properly, you'll gain muscle. Do these things and run your AAS and you'll gain more.

As an aside, whoever set up your first cycle is either
a) using too much and too many drugs to compensate for the ineffective training he uses on his clients
b) selling them to you
c) or both.

If you're buying your cycle from the guy who's training you, he's either one HELL of a salesman or you have a LOT of money to part with.

What's the rush - got a big movie part coming up? You barely know how to train or diet, and you're already planning to run GH!

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Maybe even lose some more body fat in the process? If I cant lose more bodyfat in the process, and say I actually gain a few % back up to around 15%...when I cut up again and lose fat, how do I make sure I don't lose the muscle I have gained from the cycle?

Same way you avoid excess fat gain: proper training, careful diet.

Bulking or cutting, diet is 90% of this game. Surprised? Most are.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Built, "Do it Yourself Diet".. great read. I gained alot of knowledge. Interesting...about the maintence calories.. 13-15X your bodyweight. Is that assuming no exercise is being performed that day.

Nah. I pretty much ignore caloric expenditure from exercise.
13-15X bodyweight is just a ballpark. Ideally you track your intake to find maintenance. I offer the shortcut if you just want to get started and don't feel like investing the few days of monitoring.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Another words say a 200 lb man 15 X 200 = 3000 ..so if he ate 3000 calories, he would stay the same that day? The next day he eats 3000 calories but jogs a few miles and burns 500 calories? So does that mean he was minus 500 calorie deficient? So then he sticks to that routine and will lose a lb after 6 days?

We're athletes, babe. We do this stuff all year. It's a sunk cost. I ignore the expenditure entirely. It's like paying rent - you're always paying it; it's not like you get to bank that money.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

The other thing is..so you dont put any merit into small frequent meals, the old addage that your metabolism is like a fire.. to keep it burning you need to keep throwing logs on the fire sort of deal?

It's not that I don't put any merit in it - it's simply not true.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

What about water?

Um... water has no... um... calories?

Originally Posted by Mike2010

3000 including unrefined carbs vs 3000 calories including refined carbs?

Either/or. 3000 calories is 3000 calories.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

To quote the formula from your article.....


Set protein at no lower than a gram per pound of lean mass.
Set fat at no lower than half a gram per pound of lean mass.
Set fibre at or around 25g - this has to come from food, not fibre supplements!
Fill the remainder of your calories by comfort.

-------------
Built, but for the next few weeks or so..1 month..whatever...I am trying to lose fat...so I will fill in the remainer of calories with very few carbs..but why then would I make sure to get ATLEAST a half gram of fat per lb of lean mass? If I am trying to lose fat, wouldn't it be better If I cut my fat to like under 30g daily?... Basically..when trying to lose fat..why should I be putting a minimum on anything? (the minimum protein and fat) Is it to keep from losing muscle??? Is that the whole reason behind the formula?

Protein and fat are essential. Carbohydrate is not. Furthermore, protein and fat are satiating, where carbohydrate can stimulate hunger, particularly while we're over-fat and cutting.

You want protein high to protect lean mass, correct. Fats you need for your endocrine system, and for comfort.

Carbs don't matter. Eat 'em or not, as desired and as your calories allow. If they make you hungry, but you feel you want to keep them for your lifting, eat them in the meal before and the meal(s) after you train.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Gain sorry to bombard you with all these posts and questions..its just that I am very eager and excited to get started...

You mentioned the hardgainer needing 500 more than his maintence to gain

EVERYONE needs to eat over maintenance in order to gain.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

"weight" ...by weight I assume your referring to muscle? When you talk about "weight", surely even a very lean fella, you dont want him to put on 500 calories weight of fat?

Weight is muscle and fat. And bone. And skin. There's no way to ONLY gain muscle. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Could you please clarify the diet based on days of weight training vs idle days?

It doesn't matter. If you're cutting, you can go high and low for your calories if you like. The carb cycling article on my blog gets into that, but it's just for comfort.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

If above I understood you correctly, than if the hardgainer is training, the 500 calories over his maintence..that would convert to muscle?

Some will.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Doesnt that depend on how well he trains?

To a certain degree, yes.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

What if he had 1000 calories over his maintence? Does that mean he could gain 1000 calories worth of muscle?

No. You have to spend it to make it, friend. Just like money.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Or is that too much extra calories and the other 500 might go to fat? Sorry for all these posts..I figured it would be better to break them up into segments rather than post one ginormous post..thanks so much in advance for all your feedback and advice....

(BTW unfortunately I am a hardgainer when it comes to putting on muscle, but have alot of bodyfat too. I'm not one of these hardgainers that can't gain weight! I can gain weight all right! About 4-5 months ago I was almost 190... So I am Juicy now at 163 at around 20% bf-- I was 190 and about 35% of it was bodyfat,)

I was forty percent when I started, and middle-aged and female and natural. Don't even TALK to me about being a fat hardgainer... <shakes tiny fist in rage>

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Last one then I will shut up...promise..

What about genetics...you mention "hardgainer" (someone who eats alot but doesnt gain weight I assume)

I actually don't believe in hardgainers. I think they're just undereaters. They INVARIABLY aren't eating NEARLY as much as they think they are.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

but if you say all they have to do is eat more calories than their maintence than they'll gain weight, than that would suggest than the reason they are thin is because they are dont eat over their maintance, than they would be a "hard gainer' just somone who doesnt eat enough..

Bingo.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

another words if the Smith brothers eat the same food and Johnny is fat and Timmy is skinny..which ofcourse is the case in many scenarios..where does genetics and metabolism come into play? The fact that one is skinny and one is fat, have nothing to do with the diets often times..... sorry, I dont want to come off as contrary to what you are saying, just trying to understand it a bit more.. Thanks so much

If you eat more food than YOU require you will gain weight (muscle and fat). If you eat less food than you require, you will lose weight (muscle and fat).

If you overeat and lift weights, some of this weight will be muscle.

If you undereat and lift heavy weights, you will retain a bit more muscle than your body would otherwise prefer - and so, you will starve off some fat. Bodybuilders call this "cutting".

With all due respect, and I'm really quite charmed that you're actually engaging in this process and reading, you are nowhere NEAR ready to run a cycle yet.

Wait until you have at least a solid year of heavy compounds and careful diet behind you before you even consider shoving a needle into your ass, okay? You have plenty of natural gains ahead of you. Get your diet and your training worked out and your friends will all THINK you're on a cycle.

Welcome to the lifestyle.

Originally Posted by Built

If you run AAS while you're juicy, you'll aromatize to much of your test and you'll have to run SERM/AI to protect you from gyno.

Regardless of how much protein you consume, you really can't count on gaining muscle and losing fat to any appreciable degree concurrently.

If you could, you'd see a lot of happy, lean, jacked freaks walking around and ALL of the really strong people would be ripped to shreds.

Go to a mall or a gym sometime and just look around to test this conjecture.


You can't. But you can minimize your fat gains and maximize your muscle gains with some strategy: monitor your calories and your weight daily, take pictures, look in the mirror... if you train properly and eat properly, you'll gain muscle. Do these things and run your AAS and you'll gain more.

As an aside, whoever set up your first cycle is either
a) using too much and too many drugs to compensate for the ineffective training he uses on his clients
b) selling them to you
c) or both.

If you're buying your cycle from the guy who's training you, he's either one HELL of a salesman or you have a LOT of money to part with.

What's the rush - got a big movie part coming up? You barely know how to train or diet, and you're already planning to run GH!



Same way you avoid excess fat gain: proper training, careful diet.

Bulking or cutting, diet is 90% of this game. Surprised? Most are.


Nah. I pretty much ignore caloric expenditure from exercise.
13-15X bodyweight is just a ballpark. Ideally you track your intake to find maintenance. I offer the shortcut if you just want to get started and don't feel like investing the few days of monitoring.



We're athletes, babe. We do this stuff all year. It's a sunk cost. I ignore the expenditure entirely. It's like paying rent - you're always paying it; it's not like you get to bank that money.


It's not that I don't put any merit in it - it's simply not true.


Um... water has no... um... calories?


Either/or. 3000 calories is 3000 calories.



Protein and fat are essential. Carbohydrate is not. Furthermore, protein and fat are satiating, where carbohydrate can stimulate hunger, particularly while we're over-fat and cutting.

You want protein high to protect lean mass, correct. Fats you need for your endocrine system, and for comfort.

Carbs don't matter. Eat 'em or not, as desired and as your calories allow. If they make you hungry, but you feel you want to keep them for your lifting, eat them in the meal before and the meal(s) after you train.


EVERYONE needs to eat over maintenance in order to gain.



Weight is muscle and fat. And bone. And skin. There's no way to ONLY gain muscle. Sorry.



It doesn't matter. If you're cutting, you can go high and low for your calories if you like. The carb cycling article on my blog gets into that, but it's just for comfort.


Some will.

To a certain degree, yes.


No. You have to spend it to make it, friend. Just like money.



I was forty percent when I started, and middle-aged and female and natural. Don't even TALK to me about being a fat hardgainer... <shakes tiny fist in rage>


I actually don't believe in hardgainers. I think they're just undereaters. They INVARIABLY aren't eating NEARLY as much as they think they are.



Bingo.


If you eat more food than YOU require you will gain weight (muscle and fat). If you eat less food than you require, you will lose weight (muscle and fat).

If you overeat and lift weights, some of this weight will be muscle.

If you undereat and lift heavy weights, you will retain a bit more muscle than your body would otherwise prefer - and so, you will starve off some fat. Bodybuilders call this "cutting".

With all due respect, and I'm really quite charmed that you're actually engaging in this process and reading, you are nowhere NEAR ready to run a cycle yet.

Wait until you have at least a solid year of heavy compounds and careful diet behind you before you even consider shoving a needle into your ass, okay? You have plenty of natural gains ahead of you. Get your diet and your training worked out and your friends will all THINK you're on a cycle.

Welcome to the lifestyle.

QFT

Once again Built hits a Grand Slam to win the game!

Built, thankyou so much for all of your advice. You have helped me out tremendously. Thankyou for breaking my questions down and making sure all of them were addressed. I am truly appreciative.

I just have a few more questions to follow up on your replies.

When bulking..when you talk about "minimizing your fat gains and maximizing your muscle gains", If you have eaten enough over your maintenace in order to gain, at what point are you eating 'too much' over your maintenace where your gaining the same muscle..but fat gains are greater?

Could you recommend a good cutting and bulking diet? I take it, based on that formula..that I need foods that contain a bit of fat that are ofcourse higher in protein I'm thinkin what your saying is a can actually eat scrambled eggs- instead of egg whites, lean read meat , peanuts and actually the breadless buffalo wings? Where do fruit and vegetables come into play though? Fruit- obviously alot of carbs -would your answer to that to be just to stick to vitamins? What about "fooling your body" with a cheat meal?


Just to reinterate...making sure I drink a gallon of water has nothing to do with the equation? Making sure I stop eating after 7pm especially carbs..irrelevant? small frequent meals- irrelevant? refined vs unrefined- irrelevant? Whats up with all those studys though? (I'm not 2nd guessing you, just curious)

When you made that comparison to rent in caloric expenditure with exercising, exactly how many calories should you be expending during cutting/bulking.. I want to make sure I am doing enough..I usually play an hr of full court pick up bball 5x a week.. plus now im going to do about an hr of weight training 3 days a week.. I can keep the carido up even when I am bulking as long as I eat enough food to make up for the calories lost exercising right? (Does 5 miles of walking= 5 miles of running in terms of caloric expenditure)


As far as who was giving me the advice on the cycle- It was a couple buddies of mine- they get alot of there advice from these message forumns too, they are a little "juicy" as you like to say but overall the cycles have done them pretty well from what I can tell... Why, too much? What do you suggest?
TO quote you:
"If you run AAS while you're juicy, you'll aromatize to much of your test and you'll have to run SERM/AI to protect you from gyno."
Built, I actually might be closer to 17-19% come to think of it..but where/how could I find out exactly THAT IS ACCURATE?
What does AAS stand for?...I definitely dont want to run SERM/AI (whatever that is) to protect me from gyno? So, at what percentage bf is low enough for me to start the cycle ( I know you recommend a year, and I know I could have alot of natural gains ahead of me, but when I'm low enough BF% I will probably bulk for a little while natually then proceed with the cycle)


Lastly Built, then I will be out of your hair (thankyou so much), could you go back and answer my orignal post about the HGH? If I have read where its best to stack the HGH with a cycle....but if I'm not going to start on the cycle for a few months, would it benefit me to take the HGH alone until then...besides I'm only doing one bulking cycle and one cutting cycle,,so if I were to take HGH for say 6 months, somewhere in there I would be taking HGH alone..

Thanks you a million X Built

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Built, thankyou so much for all of your advice. You have helped me out tremendously. Thankyou for breaking my questions down and making sure all of them were addressed. I am truly appreciative.

I just have a few more questions to follow up on your replies.

When bulking..when you talk about "minimizing your fat gains and maximizing your muscle gains", If you have eaten enough over your maintenace in order to gain, at what point are you eating 'too much' over your maintenace where your gaining the same muscle..but fat gains are greater?

You have to judge it by eye, but for the most part, an unassisted male on a bulk is pretty lucky to gain 2 lbs of true lean mass a month. If you aim to gain about five pounds a month, that's probably about right. Really depends on the person though, where you are in your development, your training, your genetics, your age...

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Could you recommend a good cutting and bulking diet? I take it, based on that formula..that I need foods that contain a bit of fat that are ofcourse higher in protein I'm thinkin what your saying is a can actually eat scrambled eggs- instead of egg whites, lean read meat , peanuts and actually the breadless buffalo wings? Where do fruit and vegetables come into play though?

Just eat. Anything you like, as long as you hit your targets.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Fruit- obviously alot of carbs -would your answer to that to be just to stick to vitamins? What about "fooling your body" with a cheat meal?

Cheat meals are more for your head. Refeeds are to stimulate metabolism. Read Lyle Mcdonald for more on this.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Just to reinterate...making sure I drink a gallon of water has nothing to do with the equation?

No

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Making sure I stop eating after 7pm especially carbs..irrelevant?

Yes

Originally Posted by Mike2010

small frequent meals- irrelevant?

Yes

Originally Posted by Mike2010

refined vs unrefined- irrelevant?

Irrelevant to what - comfort, health, or weight gain?
For weight gain, it's irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Whats up with all those studys though? (I'm not 2nd guessing you, just curious)

What studies?

Originally Posted by Mike2010

When you made that comparison to rent in caloric expenditure with exercising, exactly how many calories should you be expending during cutting/bulking..

Dunno. I never track them.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

I want to make sure I am doing enough..I usually play an hr of full court pick up bball 5x a week.. plus now im going to do about an hr of weight training 3 days a week.. I can keep the carido up even when I am bulking as long as I eat enough food to make up for the calories lost exercising right?

Probably.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

(Does 5 miles of walking= 5 miles of running in terms of caloric expenditure)

I don't track caloric expenditure. Neither should you.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

As far as who was giving me the advice on the cycle- It was a couple buddies of mine- they get alot of there advice from these message forumns too, they are a little "juicy" as you like to say but overall the cycles have done them pretty well from what I can tell... Why, too much? What do you suggest?

The fellas will all tell you "test only" for the first cycle. That way you can see what it does by itself. You add in all the other stuff you won't know which had the greater effect.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

TO quote you:
"If you run AAS while you're juicy, you'll aromatize to much of your test and you'll have to run SERM/AI to protect you from gyno."
Built, I actually might be closer to 17-19% come to think of it..but where/how could I find out exactly THAT IS ACCURATE?

DEXA

Originally Posted by Mike2010

What does AAS stand for?...

Androgenic Anabolic Steroids.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

I definitely dont want to run SERM/AI (whatever that is) to protect me from gyno?

Please look up what SERM and AI are, also PCT. Don't ask me, I won't tell you. Think of it as your google homework.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

So, at what percentage bf is low enough for me to start the cycle ( I know you recommend a year, and I know I could have alot of natural gains ahead of me, but when I'm low enough BF% I will probably bulk for a little while natually then proceed with the cycle)

It's different for everybody. If it was my (still natural) husband I was advising, I'd diet him down to about 10-12% first and stabilize him there for a few months.

Originally Posted by Mike2010

Lastly Built, then I will be out of your hair (thankyou so much), could you go back and answer my orignal post about the HGH? If I have read where its best to stack the HGH with a cycle....but if I'm not going to start on the cycle for a few months, would it benefit me to take the HGH alone until then...besides I'm only doing one bulking cycle and one cutting cycle,,so if I were to take HGH for say 6 months, somewhere in there I would be taking HGH alone..

Thanks you a million X Built

Ask someone else about the HGH. My gut tells me leave it off during your bulk, since the insulin resistance it induces will interfere with a bulk as much as it helps on a cut.

Built you are the man...I mean woman One of the most helpful mods on this forum, i must say.

Thanks so much for all of your help Built. I will check in with you later this summer.

BTW when you talk about not cycling if you're too juicy..at what % bf is considered low enough?

Should I still take SERM and AI anyways, and if so should I take the during or PCT? (I was planning still do plan on taking novadex everday during and clomind PCT)

You'll have to ask the fellas for specifics of what to run and when. Aromatase resides in adipose tissue, so the fatter you are, the more likely you are to make a lot of estrogen on a cycle. My gut says "diet down to 10-12% and stabilize for a month" before starting a cycle, but again, talk to the fellas who actually use this stuff. I'm just speculating from my laptop on this stuff - as a middle-aged woman, I'll never actually use any of this stuff, right? It's just an academic curiosity to me.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by Built

You'll have to ask the fellas for specifics of what to run and when. Aromatase resides in adipose tissue, so the fatter you are, the more likely you are to make a lot of estrogen on a cycle. My gut says "diet down to 10-12% and stabilize for a month" before starting a cycle, but again, talk to the fellas who actually use this stuff. I'm just speculating from my laptop on this stuff - as a middle-aged woman, I'll never actually use any of this stuff, right? It's just an academic curiosity to me.

Good luck.

Built, I actually think we should start paying you.

Mike, I had typed out a long post with answers to some of your questions, but for some reason I got logged out of the forum and lost it. Sorry its too long to type again, so ill try and give some points instead:

1. Thankyou for not being like 99% of people who come to this board looking for advice, youve listened and done some research, well done.

2. You shouldnt start your PCT at the same time you start your cycle, and whether or not you need a SERM/AI is dependant on the strength of the compound your using

3. If you dont know the answers to these questions yourself, you shouldnt be using them. <<Sorry if that sounds rude, its not. Putting your health first is key and unless you know exactly what your doing your not ready to use AAS. They are not to be messed about with

Hope some of that helps, but the most important thing is that you listen to Built. The help she provides is better than any AAS.

Good luck.