Thread: black history month

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

i would kill robert mugabe if i could, we both are on the same boat. Now I am not going to say it is fact,and won't claim to be but if I recall, when the europeans left, africa, unllike america, they had deprived the africans of basic tools to self govern, deprived them of schoolling and basic literacy, maybe I am wrong so you can correct me. I think that was what made the english coloniailization of india more humane, I think they left that infrastructure more intact and already accessible by the Indians, and it was a peaceful transition led by Ghandi, whereas I think violence characterized the end of european colonialism in africa, I may be wrong but it is a vague memory from internationl history.

my understanding is that violence led to europeans leaving the US as well

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

fact check lets start with nigeria, their constitutioin forbids slavery, slavery exists despite strict enforcement laws, american constitution forbids slavery, slavery exists despite a better government and laws, but wait...its human trafficking. lets call it what it is.

these laws in Nigeria, are the laws for strict enforcement, or are they strictly enforced? DOMS has already responded to this utterly bogus accusation, but let me reiterate. show me where the US government has turned a blind eye to this matter. human sex trafficking does in fact happen here in the US. care to show an instance where the government, or people as a whole have turned a blind eye to this matter? does the FBI not actively pursue these rings? do we not prosecute them as quickly as they are found?

Comparing the two situations whatever you want to call them will easily show the large discrepancies between the US and Africa, or Asia in these matters.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

my understanding is that violence led to europeans leaving the US as well

americans owned land, went to school, became literate etc etc, do you think the black africans were afforded the same privlige? America's natural resources allows us to recover quickly from wartime devastation, how many desert, drought ridden countrie's allow the same?

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

i would kill robert mugabe if i could, we both are on the same boat. Now I am not going to say it is fact,and won't claim to be but if I recall, when the europeans left, africa, unllike america, they had deprived the africans of basic tools to self govern, deprived them of schoolling and basic literacy, maybe I am wrong so you can correct me. I think that was what made the english coloniailization of india more humane, I think they left that infrastructure more intact and already accessible by the Indians, and it was a peaceful transition led by Ghandi, whereas I think violence characterized the end of european colonialism in africa, I may be wrong but it is a vague memory from internationl history.

Let me be clear on this: I would kill him if I could. The BBC had a piece entitled Zimbabwe's Forgotten Children. I watched it and now I really, really want to kill him. If someone setup a PayPal donation button to hire a hit squad, I'd donate.

As far as I know, the Europeans pretty much left everything in place. What caused most of the problems was the different tribes picking up old feuds and infighting to control the natural resources. The was no scorched Earth policy.

I'm sure there were exceptions, but most of the Europeans either left or simply stepped aside peaceably.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

americans owned land, went to school, became literate etc etc, do you think the black africans were afforded the same privlige? America's natural resources allows us to recover quickly from wartime devastation, how many desert, drought ridden countrie's allow the same?

Africa is rich in resources. Oil, diamonds, and coltan to name a few.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

um, what?

this starts out a question, and ends as a statement. care to try again?

It's funny how everyone else thinks they're the ones without propaganda.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

these laws in Nigeria, are the laws for strict enforcement, or are they strictly enforced? DOMS has already responded to this utterly bogus accusation, but let me reiterate. show me where the US government has turned a blind eye to this matter. human sex trafficking does in fact happen here in the US. care to show an instance where the government, or people as a whole have turned a blind eye to this matter? does the FBI not actively pursue these rings? do we not prosecute them as quickly as they are found?

Comparing the two situations whatever you want to call them will easily show the large discrepancies between the US and Africa, or Asia in these matters.

I like how when I point out a fact , instead of accepting it, conditional clauses are applied.

Fact, doms and everyone point to slavery in Africa as if that justifies conditions for blacks living in America and that they should be grateful they are here instead of there. Blacks in America are now AMericans, just like Italians in this country are Americans, Asians born here are Americans, who cares what their mother country hosted?


I was merely pointing out the very real fact that slavery exists in this country, as a great law abiding nation, we try to tame it , with a little more success than more disadvantaged countries, but so what!

Then the issue of Nigeria allowing legal slavery was bought in, it's not legal, well then let's say the "government" is more of a bad ass than us because they allow it, well according to any Nigerians their government is doing their darnest to stop "human trafficking" as much as we are. However, unlike us, they probably have less success due to less resources afforded to their police and more corruption, not unlike the rampant human trafficking now occurring in "white" Russia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/16/wo...l?pagewanted=1

small snippet, like us, africa is trying to control human trafficking,oops wrong term, slavery....

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Africa is rich in resources. Oil, diamonds, and coltan to name a few.

so i guess you never saw blood diamond, they aren't allowed to own their own resources.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Let me be clear on this: I What caused most of the problems was the different tribes picking up old feuds and infighting to control the natural resources. y.

did my example with iraq go over your head,many colonialists drew up artificial borders around warring tribes and called it a "country",like merging us with mexico and telling us we are one country and to deal with our differences! Not unlike what is going on in eastern europe after russia left . It's not just tribalistic blacks now but tribalistic europeans are now going at each other's throats.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

Fact, doms and everyone point to slavery in Africa as if that justifies conditions for blacks living in America and that they should be grateful they are here instead of there.

That was never my point. I was posting those because we were already talking about blacks and, because of my personal studies, it was foremost in my mind. And yes, it was a bit prod for you taking pot shots at whites. But I wasn't trying to make any real connections.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

Then the issue of Nigeria allowing legal slavery was bought in, it's not legal, well then let's say the "government" is more of a bad ass than us because they allow it, well according to any Nigerians their government is doing their darnest to stop "human trafficking" as much as we are. However, unlike us, they probably have less success due to less resources afforded to their police.

It's not illegal, but everyone there turns a blind eye to it. Eight percent of the nation are slaves. That's 1.17 million people. Trying to draw a comparison of that to anything that goes on in the US is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

did my example with iraq go over your head,many colonialists drew up artificial borders around warring tribes and called it a "country",like merging us with mexico and telling us we are one country and to deal with our differences! Not unlike what is going on in eastern europe after russia left . It's not just tribalistic blacks now but tribalistic europeans are now going at each other's throats.

So what stopped them from just erasing the lines? From going back to old territories? Absolutely nothing. Yet, somehow, that's the Europeans fault?

I can't help but notice that you always find it's the white guys fault.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

I was merely pointing out the very real fact that slavery exists in this country, as a great law abiding nation, we try to tame it , with a little more success than more disadvantaged countries, but so what!

so what? thats a big so what! the US is much better at taming slavery here than African countries are. if you want to claim that we are only having a little more success you are going to have to back this up with numbers. DOMS has already asked for numbers and nothing has been provided.

any and all slavery is bad, and should not be accepted. it should be stamped out by the people wherever it is found. this is something that is happening here in the US. this is not happening in Africa.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

so i guess you never saw blood diamond, they aren't allowed to own their own resources.

It's pretty much impossible for you to believe that, with the excetption of Mugabe, to believe that Africans cause their own problems, isn't it?

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

so i guess you never saw blood diamond, they aren't allowed to own their own resources.

yup, watched blood diamond. looked a lot like black on black crime to me.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I can't help but notice that you always find it's the white guys fault.

Originally Posted by DOMS

So what stopped them from just erasing the lines? From going back to old territories?

why dont ask that very profound question just in relation to one country ....iraq? Oh yeah, they are having "civil unrest" because those damn shiites, kurds and sunnis just want to fight, those damn kurds want their own territory because they are barbarians!

helllooooo kurds are demanding autonomy, since winston churchill took it away from them from the ottoman empire's gift to them, why didn't bush give it back! The Ottoman empire gave each of them their own province, so why can't we the enlightened whites just give it back to them? And now since the shiites comprise the majority, the minority sunnis and kurds are just shit out of luck. Hmm, maybe something similar happens to the warring tribes who want autonomy from the majority in power?

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

why dont ask that very profound question just in relation to one country ....iraq? Oh yeah, they are having "civil unrest" because those damn shiites, kurds and sunnis just want to fight, those damn kurds want their own territory because they are barbarians!

helllooooo kurds are demanding autonomy, since winston churchill took it away from them from the ottoman empire's gift to them, why didn't bush give it back! The Ottoman empire gave each of them their own province, so why can't we the enlightened whites just give it back to them? And now since the shiites comprise the majority, the minority sunnis and kurds are just shit out of luck. Hmm, maybe something similar happens to the warring tribes who want autonomy from the majority in power?

so now you want Bush to have created a country?

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

why dont ask that very profound question just in relation to one country ....iraq? Oh yeah, they are having "civil unrest" because those damn shiites, kurds and sunnis just want to fight, those damn kurds want their own territory because they are barbarians!

helllooooo kurds are demanding autonomy, since winston churchill took it away from them from the ottoman empire's gift to them, why didn't bush give it back!

See, yet again you're resorting to a red herring. You didn't answer my question about Africans after the Europeans left.

As for Iraq, the goal was to bring democracy (a waste of time, but I digress) to the country, not to break it up. After the US leaves (hopefully soon) they can do whatever they want to with it. If they want to break it up, more power to them. It's their choice.

For the record, I never said it was the white guys fault, it was colonialism's fault, please, once again confusing facts with your own bias

For the record, I know that "Human trafficking " is also an epidemic in China. I don't excuse my own race from what whites and blacks are doing

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so now you want Bush to have created a country?

No. She wanted Bush to carve up a country. Which would have made everyone happy.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so now you want Bush to have created a country?

No, I answered doms stupid question "duh.. why can't those dumb ass blacks revert back to their pre colonial bounderies!" Gee, why can't those dumb ass Arabs do the same thing, (revert to precolonial borders) oh wait, they tried with Kuwait........

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

For the record, I never said it was the white guys fault, it was colonialism's fault, please, once again confusing facts with your own bias

For the record, I know that "Human trafficking " is also an epidemic in China. I don't excuse my own race from what whites and blacks are doing

again, it's time to show numbers for this epidemic of human trafficking in the US. show me where it is not actively being hunted out and prosecuted then we can talk.

Originally Posted by DOMS

No. She wanted Bush to carve up a country. Which would have made everyone happy.

you know I wonder if my english is superior to americans because I answered your question with a question that showed it was virtually impossible for the blacks to revert to precoloniall borders on their own..

to quote your "What's stopping them?"

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

For the record, I never said it was the white guys fault, it was colonialism's fault, please, once again confusing facts with your own bias

So, the tribal killing before the Europeans showed up isn't the Africans' fault? Nor was the resuming of those old ways after the Europeans left? The quality of living in Africa was highest when it was run by Europeans.

Should the Europeans have subjugated the people? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that the black on black killing dropped while they were there or that the quality of life was at its highest.

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

For the record, I know that "Human trafficking " is also an epidemic in China. I don't excuse my own race from what whites and blacks are doing

Are you sure that isn't the white ma-, I mean, Americans or Europeans fault somehow? I'm sure you can work up a theory.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

again, it's time to show numbers for this epidemic of human trafficking in the US. show me where it is not actively being hunted out and prosecuted then we can talk.

I belive at least 50,000 in america that is documented , ( and it is underestimated) and only 1% of human trafficking victims have hope of being rescued. This is from readings from over the years . google it yourself, and I never said america was not prosecuting it. My home country china is acutally much more guilty of that. ( But then that flew over your heads since I was no longer bashing white males.)

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

No, I answered doms stupid question "duh.. why can't those dumb ass blacks revert back to their pre colonial bounderies!" Gee, why can't those dumb ass Arabs do the same thing, (revert to precolonial borders) oh wait, they tried with Kuwait........

you completely misunderstood DOMS

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

you know I wonder if my english is superior to americans because I answered your question with a question that showed it was virtually impossible for the blacks to revert to precoloniall borders on their own..

to quote your "What's stopping them?"

Why is impossible? More importantly, why is their (Arab or African) inability to undo it someone else's fault?

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

I belive at least 50,000 in america that is documented , ( and it is underestimated) and only 1% of human trafficking victims have hope of being rescued. This is from readings from over the years . google it yourself, and I never said america was not prosecuting it. My home country china is acutally much more guilty of that. ( But then that flew over your heads since I was no longer bashing white males.)

Source?

I've read report after report by organizations (in and out of the USA) dedicated to the exposing and eradication of slavery anywhere in the world and I've never seen that number.

If that number is true, that amounts to 0.00016% of the nations population. A fraction of a fraction...