Thread: Herman Cain= Lobbyist to underpay resturant workers.

minimum wage increase ALWAYS translate into nothing positive

It can but only when coupled by othe reforms.

I personally am not a fan of minimum wage due to some employees not being worth that amount. Yet also feel it is a neccesary evil.

Back in the 90's this was a difference of a mere $2/hr on servers who made tips/commission in addition to the servers hourly wage.

Big fucking deal.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Back in the 90's this was a difference of a mere $2/hr on servers who made tips/commission in addition to the servers hourly wage.

Big fucking deal.

You must have read it wrong brother, he wasn't lobby for restaurants with servers that make tips. He was lobbying for the fast food chains. Which do no make tips, and are known for being underpaid for the environment they work in. Read "Fast Food Nation".

led an aggressive campaign to stop a hike in the minimum wage; and was successful in exempting servers from being included in the 1996 minimum wage law.

As a lobbyist for the NRA, Cain represented a trade association for McDonalds, Burger King, and other fast food establishments.

Just because it states he was successful at exempting the servers, doesn't mean he was unsuccessful with other parts. Upon further research in other articles. It can be uncovered that he lobbied many times in order to change workers rights in the fast-food industry.

Personally I don't think a lot of employees are truly "employable".

I do however agree with LAM that the extreme measures our nations lobbyists are allowed to go to, just hinder certain things...

There are lobbyists that are anti-steroids, which are helping keep the dark cloud over their usage.

Originally Posted by anxious1

Personally I don't think a lot of employees are truly "employable".

I agree with this 100%. But what are us taxpayers to do with the millions of useless that will leach off our teet the rest of their lives? This bullshit has to end.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

I agree with this 100%. But what are us taxpayers to do with the millions of useless that will leach off our teet the rest of their lives? This bullshit has to end.

We are to find a way for them to be productive in society... I spent last weekend building a playground for the United Way, where a group called FIST (Former Inmates Serving Together) had also volunteered. These men from FIST were busting ass, and blowing past most of the people from United Way. These men would have great worth in the construction industry. Other people there would work for ten minutes, then stand around and look lost... These people would be good as servers in a cafeteria. I would even be willing to give those men from FIST a chance at a position in most companies if they carried over that same hard work, and remained loyal.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

I agree with this 100%. But what are us taxpayers to do with the millions of useless that will leach off our teet the rest of their lives? This bullshit has to end.

I say we as tax payers, business owners, and citizens fight to maintain/implement fire-at-will laws, in all states.

Originally Posted by anxious1

I say we as tax payers, business owners, and citizens fight to maintain/implement fire-at-will laws, in all states.

Don't the useless need to have jobs in order to be fired?

You usually only find out they are useless once they have a job. At that point you can then fire them...

Originally Posted by anxious1

You usually only find out they are useless once they have a job. At that point you can then fire them...

^^^^which is why the unions need to go and states must become "right to work" states instead......fire POS's

Originally Posted by irish_2003

^^^^which is why the unions need to go and states must become "right to work" states instead......fire POS's

Union rules need to be changed and they need to be limited to collective bargaining on salary and basic benefits, unions are not all bad. Every state should be right to work and union employees should be subject to that law as well, just as any company should be allowed to vote secretly to create a union so workers are protected. As much as it pains me to say this, there is overwhelming evidence unions raise wages in the country.

And minimum wage needs to go up, that is a key way to eliminate people being on so much public aid to live. You would be surprised what $10/hr can do for someone working 40 hours a week compared to $7....

Originally Posted by oufinny

Union rules need to be changed and they need to be limited to collective bargaining on salary and basic benefits, unions are not all bad. Every state should be right to work and union employees should be subject to that law as well, just as any company should be allowed to vote secretly to create a union so workers are protected. As much as it pains me to say this, there is overwhelming evidence unions raise wages in the country.

And minimum wage needs to go up, that is a key way to eliminate people being on so much public aid to live. You would be surprised what $10/hr can do for someone working 40 hours a week compared to $7....

in bold^^^ exactly how my gov scott walker is doing it.....NO MINIMUM wage doesn't need to go up.....what happens then is more people will be working minimum wage then do now.....companies will pay the minimum instead of a dollar or two more to start....also it will limit a companies ability to hire more workers.......who are these people working minimum wage? i honestly don't know any......not even the younger kids in some of my classes........minumum wage increases have NEVER been positive.....

Originally Posted by irish_2003

^^^^which is why the unions need to go and states must become "right to work" states instead......fire POS's

I beyond agree.

right to work laws were written with the intent to disempower the unions. Have you ever worked for a LARGE corporation? Unions are very useful to combat oppressive working conditions, and are only as corrupt as the people involved allow them to be. There is no perfect solution, but taking away workers rights in favor of corporate interests serves no working class benefit.
walk a mile in a poor man's shoes before calling him a bum.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

minimum wage increase ALWAYS translate into nothing positive

Amen

Originally Posted by oufinny

You would be surprised what $10/hr can do for someone working 40 hours a week compared to $7....

The companies won't sacrifice profit. They will keep their profit by raising prices. The cost of raising minimum wage is always passed on to the consumer. So those making minimum wage have to pay more for everything and inflation increases.

Originally Posted by withoutrulers

right to work laws were written with the intent to disempower the unions. Have you ever worked for a LARGE corporation? Unions are very useful to combat oppressive working conditions, and are only as corrupt as the people involved allow them to be. There is no perfect solution, but taking away workers rights in favor of corporate interests serves no working class benefit.
walk a mile in a poor man's shoes before calling him a bum.

I lived for years with a poor as mud mom... I learned a lot, the most impressionable being how most poor people convince themselves there is now way they can get out of being poor because it is impossible. So they remain poor resenting those of success, while moping around. There are exceptions to this, like with any other rule. Yet I find that this is the general rule of thumb. If you take away workers rights, then other regulations must be put in place to ease the transition. Ex. If you add horsepower to a car, you must upgrade the brakes. Most people overlook this "chain" that needs to take place in order to achieve successful change.

Originally Posted by returnofthdragon

The companies won't sacrifice profit. They will keep their profit by raising prices. The cost of raising minimum wage is always passed on to the consumer. So those making minimum wage have to pay more for everything and inflation increases.

That is true, yet they fail to try and stop many of the overspending, or waste that goes on in other places within the company.

Originally Posted by anxious1

I lived for years with a poor as mud mom... I learned a lot, the most impressionable being how most poor people convince themselves there is now way they can get out of being poor because it is impossible. So they remain poor resenting those of success, while moping around. There are exceptions to this, like with any other rule. Yet I find that this is the general rule of thumb. If you take away workers rights, then other regulations must be put in place to ease the transition. Ex. If you add horsepower to a car, you must upgrade the brakes. Most people overlook this "chain" that needs to take place in order to achieve successful change.

The larger point to be had here is when we take away worker rights, we're essentially empowering corporate interest even further at our own expense. Our government already is largely owned by corporate interest, and with the loss of workers rights, we slowly lose the capacity for peoples organised control of their own government. Worker's rights help the people to combat an enemy with another enemy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". De regulation is to give up the peoples control of government. Regulations are essentially the voice of the people. To de-regulate is to silence the majority for the benefit of a ruling class minority.

Originally Posted by withoutrulers

The larger point to be had here is when we take away worker rights, we're essentially empowering corporate interest even further at our own expense. Our government already is largely owned by corporate interest, and with the loss of workers rights, we slowly lose the capacity for peoples organised control of their own government. Worker's rights help the people to combat an enemy with another enemy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". De regulation is to give up the peoples control of government. Regulations are essentially the voice of the people. To de-regulate is to silence the majority for the benefit of a ruling class minority.

In the long term a lot of the regulations that are implemented are only causing issues. The demands for unreasonable retirement plans, benefits, pay, and other issues, are only driving companies into making decisions against employing people, and towards machines in some industries. Teachers in the US are shit, yet demand more pay than they are worth. Our youth are not up to the standards they should be... So I ask; If you have a man to fix your roof and pay him to do so. He takes the money, "fixes your roof" yet it still leaks... Did he truly earn your money?

Originally Posted by anxious1

In the long term a lot of the regulations that are implemented are only causing issues. The demands for unreasonable retirement plans, benefits, pay, and other issues, are only driving companies into making decisions against employing people, and towards machines in some industries. Teachers in the US are shit, yet demand more pay than they are worth. Our youth are not up to the standards they should be... So I ask; If you have a man to fix your roof and pay him to do so. He takes the money, "fixes your roof" yet it still leaks... Did he truly earn your money?

That's a reasonable question, but not every instance of worker demands and rights should be dismissed as faulty workmanship and breeding ineptitude. There is a chronic class war between workers and corporate interest in all business enterprise, and to outright dismiss worker rights as being counter productive is to just shoot ourselves in the foot. A return to feudal serfdom is a very real possibility with the loss of organised labor. Not every business is upstanding or has benevolent intentions much to the chagrin of the business sector apologist. " The leaders of men paint their actions with the rosy hues of humanitarianism and noble intention". Careful plodding and slow reaction are required to dismantle a minefield.

we need to bring back indentured servants.....

^^^^^future indentured servant^^^^

Originally Posted by withoutrulers

^^^^^future indentured servant^^^^

the Irish in America will never again be shit on like we were by the WOPs when my ancestor came to this country....