Thread: Any Pitbull owners here?

Originally Posted by Aries1

So then why the media coverage on pits? I'm sure there have been labs that have bitten children. Why does the media not blow it out of proportion?

there was a story in the local paper here about a pittbull tearing a woman's arm off when she was out walking. our paper had the class to go back and correct the story. it was not a pitbull, it was an American Bulldog which is substantially larger and not a pitt at all. most papers would not bother to correct the story and a lot of people assume any muscle headed dog is a pittbull.

I have two German Shepherds that would eat you if I commanded them to. My grand children lay one them like furniture and they love them. Urban legends suck.

to conclude the thread:dog is irreplaceable..you can always bang more kids but the dog will always be the one..

^^^^

Wouldn't push his finger into an 18 year old kid

^^gave him 4 warnings

^^^^wasn't in the media.
Didn't get sued.

Originally Posted by Aries1

So then why the media coverage on pits? I'm sure there have been labs that have bitten children. Why does the media not blow it out of proportion?

Labs don't bite kids. That's one of the many reasons why they are the most popular breed of dog in the world. More people own labs than any other breed, worldwide. They are also the number one working breed in the world, by far.

Originally Posted by Canucklehead

Labs don't bite kids. That's one of the many reasons why they are the most popular breed of dog in the world. More people own labs than any other breed, worldwide. They are also the number one working breed in the world, by far.

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my point is just that all dogs have the potential to bite, regardless of breed.

Okay, I know I might receive some negs for this as I'm "new" to the forum and don't carry much credibility cause nobody knows me and I haven't posted up before. Just like reading through the interesting threads. Not into some of the brobashing that happens here but whatever... that being said, neg me if you don't like what I have to say on this topic but I know way more than most...

I used to breed 6 different breeds of dogs with my dad. I started at the age of 6 and stopped when my father passed away when I was 18, I'm 25 now. We bred pits, boxers, queensland heelers (world's hardest working dog along with collies, not labs. Sorry), border collies, huskies, and german shepards. 4 of these dogs are considered by many home owners insurance companies to be on the top most dangerous dog breed list. I've been around all of them and helped raise them, picked out different dogs to breed for each one. I currently own 3 of these breeds. Pit, boxer, queensland Heeler. I also own a rhodesian ridge back (African lion hunting dog). I will say this, you show me a pit and I'll show you the most loving dog in the world! Any and every dog has the capacity to be violent, doesn't matter the breed. I've seen little shit dogs maul a full grown mans face cause he was playing with them and the dog felt scared. I've jumped in the middle of close to 100 dog fights, yes in the middle of the fight, between all of these breeds and even my friends dogs. I've been bitten but never once have I had any of them just attack me out of the blue. The media brutalizes the pit because of the ones that are used for fighting! Most people don't realize that fighting dogs are not natural, they are on some type of steroid just like those of us that use gear. It scrambles their brains because their systems don't work like ours, fighting does are given steroids from the time the are 8 months old. Sometimes the offspring from these dogs are affected, sometimes not. Dogs fight amongst themselves due to natural instinct, I'm not talking about dog fights that are orchestrated by humans. Case in point my pit and boxer got into it yesterday in fact for some dumb reason to which I don't know, that's close to 140lbs of dog fight. If you've never jumped in the middle of a dog fight then you don't really know the chaos that it is, you stand and watch from the outside but when your in the middle of it, way different. Anyways, my pit got a hold of the boxer by her throat (no broken skin), this is where most people flip cause a pit "locks its jaws" total bullshit. No dog can lock their jaws, its impossible. Anyways in the middle of the fight, the boxer is still moving, I grabbed the pit my pit by the nose and smash my thumb into the top of the soft cartilage on his nose and then grab his lower jaw and pulled his mouth open, yes I pulled a pits mouth open and he had a good hold. Its not that hard, people don't get that. Hitting the dog everywhere else doesn't do shit!! If you take your dog and smash your thumb into the top part of their nose and try and pull their mouth open they will resist for 10-20 seconds and then they can't stand the pain anymore. This is how I've broken up multiple fights. I've had all 4 of my dogs in a fight and it took me 10 minutes to break it up because that method doesn't work in a fight that big. Its what you do after the fight that matters. I took my pit, picked him up and slammed him on his back held him by the throat till he stopped squirming and then bit his nose until he cried. Biting the nose is the most basic instinct in showing a dog who is alpha, wild packs do this to pups so they know who's boss! Don't believe me? Look it up online. Watch videos of wolves. Let me make this perfectly clear also, because some people just love to believe all the bull the media feeds them... DOGS DONT ATTACK FOR NO REASON!!!! We don't know the mind of dogs, anything we do could be perceived as a threat to them due to their most basic instincts which are still in ALL domesticated dog breeds. Dogs that are running loose around a neighborhood nine times out of ten are scared cause they don't know where they are or what's going on. People don't get this... it pisses me off!

Ben, I know you don't know me for shit, but get whatever dog you want. But from personal experience it is best to get them as a puppy if you have little kids under the age of 10. I know you've decided to do that already which is a smart move.

If I've pissed anyone off, sorry. But I know what I'm talking about as this was a major part of my life. That being said, if you wanna neg me then go for it. I could care less.

I don't think you will get any negs for that. That was a well thought out, educated post.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

I don't think you will get any negs for that. That was a well thought out, educated post.

I've seen negs given for educated stuff like that. I guess it just depends on the person and whether they wanna be a dick or not.

I took my dog to obedience class when she was a puppy, and there was a lady with a pit there. He was 8 weeks old at the start. By the time class was over he had attacked almost every dog there and bit 2 kids. The owner took him to a dog psychologist and they recommended she put the dog down, that he was a danger to society. This was a 16 week old puppy.

Like I said before, the dogs are popular with white trash and thugs, and they have ruined the breed.

The last dog my in-laws had was an American Bulldog.
They took her to obedience class as a pup, and she attacked the broom stick(their aggression test....)
The instructor said they needed to put her down, as she was a ticking time bomb.
She lived a nice 12 years, incident free. Just a big cuddle bug.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

The last dog my in-laws had was an American Bulldog.
They took her to obedience class as a pup, and she attacked the broom stick(their aggression test....)
The instructor said they needed to put her down, as she was a ticking time bomb.
She lived a nice 12 years, incident free. Just a big cuddle bug.

Broomstick attack test is ridiculous. The two kids the pit attacked would be a better representation.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

I took my dog to obedience class when she was a puppy, and there was a lady with a pit there. He was 8 weeks old at the start. By the time class was over he had attacked almost every dog there and bit 2 kids. The owner took him to a dog psychologist and they recommended she put the dog down, that he was a danger to society. This was a 16 week old puppy.

Like I said before, the dogs are popular with white trash and thugs, and they have ruined the breed.

Most attacks are by pit bull knock offs. People don't know that when they buy them though... but 8 weeks? Even at 16 its still a puppy! Jesus, puppies play rough with everyone! I've hardly ever played with a puppy that didn't draw blood. Not discounting what happened, but the actions of a puppy don't make the actions of an adult dog. Even a 2 yr old is still considered a puppy. Before someone mentions, should i expect the same from a 2yr old? No, at that time they know the difference and have grown out of the puppy style competitive rough play.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

there was a story in the local paper here about a pittbull tearing a woman's arm off when she was out walking. our paper had the class to go back and correct the story. it was not a pitbull, it was an American Bulldog which is substantially larger and not a pitt at all. most papers would not bother to correct the story and a lot of people assume any muscle headed dog is a pittbull.

My point was; do you believe that a large number of maulings come from pits? Or, do you think the media is just after the breed?

Originally Posted by Canucklehead

Labs don't bite kids. That's one of the many reasons why they are the most popular breed of dog in the world. More people own labs than any other breed, worldwide. They are also the number one working breed in the world, by far.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

i know but i also think you're too smart to perpetuate myths like they have locking jaws. they don't. if i had a small child i would take every precaution no matter how much i thought i knew my dog. when my son was very small we adopted a 2 year old rottie that had been beaten nearly to death. he was massive,strong, and a total love bug even with my cats. he loved other dogs etc. capable of great damage but never would have done it. i said know your dog and be vigilant.

pollie is dog aggressive but is very sweet and careful with babies. would we leave her alone with one, no.

I stand corrected, I did not know that the "lock jaw" was a myth, either way this breed of dog latches on and will NOT let go until death (or near death) unlike any other breed. There is a reason they are used for fighting, whether or not they have the strongest bite I guess is debatable and not really the main point here. But the fact that once they get into attack mode they are impervious to pain and relentless, that is a fact, they do not stop! I grew up with German Sheppards and Dobermans and I owned a Pit, they do not compare to Pitbulls. I have nothing against the Pitbull breed, if they are rasied well and loved they will be great dogs, however I still would not trust a Pitbull, or any other larger dog around a small child unless the child was raised with the dog from when it was a puppy.

Lastly, I would own another Pitbull, my Pit who was named Arnold, was awesome, I ended up having to give him up, but when I went back to see him a couple of years later he licked me to death. In all honesty Arnold would have licked anyone to death, I gave him so much love as a puppy and his temperament was very docile, friendly and eager to please, he loved all people he came in contact with and never once made an aggressive move towards anyone.

Originally Posted by Prince

I stand corrected, I did not know that the "lock jaw" was a myth, either way this breed of dog latches on and will NOT let go until death (or near death) unlike any other breed. There is a reason they are used for fighting, whether or not they have the strongest bite I guess is debatable and not really the main point here. But the fact that once they get into attack mode they are impervious to pain and relentless, that is a fact, they do not stop! I grew up with German Sheppards and Dobermans and I owned a Pit, they do not compare to Pitbulls. I have nothing against the Pitbull breed, if they are rasied well and loved they will be great dogs, however I still would not trust a Pitbull, or any other larger dog around a small child unless the child was raised with the dog from when it was a puppy.

Its only if they were trained as fighting dogs or are scared that they will stay latched on through any amount of pain. Like I said, I've broken up close to 100 dog fights some of them with pits some with other dogs. In my whole time of breeding I've only had to put one pit down. I bought him from a respectable, or at least I heard he was respectable, breeder for my own breeding purposes. The pit latched onto the back of a Shepard and I tries ever trick I knew to get him off. I finally had to put a bullet in his head (killed me to do it). The dog had never showed aggression before, had him for 2 yrs. I was curious so my dads friend who was a vet did an autopsy and we found a build up of scar tissue between the shoulder blades and hind quarters from repeated injections. I'm not arguing with you Prince, just speaking from personal experience.

Originally Posted by tallguy34

Its only if they were trained as fighting dogs or are scared that they will stay latched on through any amount of pain. Like I said, I've broken up close to 100 dog fights some of them with pits some with other dogs. In my whole time of breeding I've only had to put one pit down. I bought him from a respectable, or at least I heard he was respectable, breeder for my own breeding purposes. The pit latched onto the back of a Shepard and I tries ever trick I knew to get him off. I finally had to put a bullet in his head (killed me to do it). The dog had never showed aggression before, had him for 2 yrs. I was curious so my dads friend who was a vet did an autopsy and we found a build up of scar tissue between the shoulder blades and hind quarters from repeated injections. I'm not arguing with you Prince, just speaking from personal experience.

don't be afraid to argue with me, if I am wrong I like to be corrected, well I may not exactly like it, but I can admit when I am wrong and accept it.

Originally Posted by Prince

don't be afraid to argue with me, if I am wrong I like to be corrected, well I may not exactly like it, but I can admit when I am wrong and accept it.

Haha. Okay, I'll keep that in mind. While I don't mind pissing some people off I'd rather it not be the boss.

I appreciate that, but I am pretty lenient and don't get offended very easily.

A good majority of the reported pit attacks are not true pits, LW layed out a few guidelines to recognizing them. It is because of the organized fighting of pits and the bad rep they have received due to that that medial likes to report them over other dog attacks.

Akitas and Mastiffs are fighting breeds. Just an FYI

Mastiffs haven't been a fighting breed since the romans dominated Europe.

English Mastiffs we're actually picked to do certain jobs in England because they don't like to bite. They typically will use there size to restrain until help can come.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Mastiffs haven't been a fighting breed since the romans dominated Europe.

English Mastiffs we're actually picked to do certain jobs in England because they don't like to bite. They typically will use there size to restrain until help can come.

The point I was trying to make is that there are other fighting breeds out there, they just don't receive a bad rep. People don't want to acknowledge they are a fighting breed even if that's what they are classified as. Mastiffs while not used commonly anymore are still in fact a fighting breed and will always be labeled that. Just as pits will always be labeled an aggressive, vicious breed, doesn't matter if the main breed of fighting dog were to become a chihuahua (not likely but just throwing it out there). The English and Neopolitan Mastiff are still on the list of fighting breeds.

Originally Posted by Prince

I appreciate that, but I am pretty lenient and don't get offended very easily.

Okay bro.

Originally Posted by tallguy34

The point I was trying to make is that there are other fighting breeds out there, they just don't receive a bad rep.

Because the others aren't shit breeds?

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Because the others aren't shit breeds?

Because they haven't been brutalized and turned into a killing machine like people do with pits. That is the whole reason pits receive their negative rep. I can take a Queensland Heeler, which is a non fighting breed, and turn it into a pit killer if I mistreat it and train it as a killer. Fighting breeds get put on the fighting list for what people do with them. Not because its their nature. Mastiffs are huge loveable bears IMO so I'm not putting the breed down by any means. I love those damn dogs! Lol.